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Postby metalhead » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:29 pm

redsince2001 wrote:and he's damn slow as well ! :talktothehand

:no

Watch him again.
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Postby Elchris » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:20 pm

metalhead wrote:
redsince2001 wrote:and he's damn slow as well ! :talktothehand

:no

Watch him again.

Slow...?? WTF were u watching mate , that boy is like a timebomb , you'll never know what he's going to do next , extreamly fast and skillfull , will win you load of freekicks  and he knows how to score goals too and he won't leave madrid and madrid would not want to part with him ,he'll have a much more better second season in spain, and prove his worth.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:31 pm

Elchris wrote:
metalhead wrote:
redsince2001 wrote:and he's damn slow as well ! :talktothehand

:no

Watch him again.

Slow...?? WTF were u watching mate , that boy is like a timebomb , you'll never know what he's going to do next , extreamly fast and skillfull , will win you load of freekicks  and he knows how to score goals too and he won't leave madrid and madrid would not want to part with him ,he'll have a much more better second season in spain, and prove his worth.

He's been at Real Madrid for two seasons already (I think  :lookaround ).

For such an ego he's achieved/ delivered sweet fook all. Less than £10m would be ok but not bleedin' likely if Real are trying to raise funds for kaka.
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Postby puroresu » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:59 am

I think Real Madrid improved as an attacking force once Capello dropped Reyes and started to play Robinho.  Robinho had a good 2nd half of the season and his performances were very good.  Last season he wasnt bad considering it was his 1st season in Europe.  South American players need to be given time to adapt.
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Postby Jimmymac » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:35 am

kobashi wrote:the latest rumor out of france is that malouda is going to sign for Chelsea tomorrow.  Deal will include Lassana Diarra going to Lyon.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=472849&CPID=24&clid=143&lid=2&title=Lyon:+No+Malouda+agreement&channel=football_home&

already quelled that one

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Postby ivor_the_injun » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:11 am

Tribal Football is an absolute joke. They're even worse than Clubcall.

Honestly, they've linked us with 16 players in the last week alone. They either re-run cr*ppy rumours from other "news" sites, or just make stuff up with a phrase like "sources close to the club" included to try and make it sound like they've actually done some work.
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Postby puroresu » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:18 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:Tribal Football is an absolute joke. They're even worse than Clubcall.

Honestly, they've linked us with 16 players in the last week alone. They either re-run cr*ppy rumours from other "news" sites, or just make stuff up with a phrase like "sources close to the club" included to try and make it sound like they've actually done some work.

Why anyone visits that site I have no idea
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Postby cpc4eva » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:36 pm

rumors aplenty coming out this morning...........


Soccervoice - Newslines - 20.06.2007
Liverpool forward in Bolton link
Liverpool forward Djibril Cisse could be on his way to Bolton or moving permenantly to Marseille. The latest from a Liverpool source is that Rafael Benitez will not let Cisse leave for another loan spell and are looking for a sale.

Bolton could look at Cisse as a possible replacement for Diouf who is a target for Newcastle United.



Soccervoice - Newslines - 20.06.2007
Aston Villa in competition with Liverpool and Sunderland
Diego Forlan could be heading back to England, but so far it is an open affair who will get his signature. Newcastle was earlier linked with Forlan, but they are not linked with the Uruguay international this time.

Sunderland and Liverpool were both reported to be the favourites to sign Forlan, but in today's Daily Mail, Aston Villa is also mentioned as a possible new club.

Forlan left Man Utd in 2004 after two years of struggle. The player never managed to establish himself in the first team despite some great performances from time to time.

Forland turned 28 in March and should be at the peak of his career curve.



FROM Sportingo newspaper

While the Spanish beaches are heaving with English tourists soaking up the sun and paella, the best players of La Liga could be heading for Merseyside, Manchester and London.
'Despite winning in the most dramatic fashion, Real Madrid will be broken up with not even Fabio Capello spared' Real Madrid are the champions of Spain. Some may argue that it wasn’t well deserved. The Spanish sceptics claimed that a combination of ego clashes at Barcelona and a fear of heights at Sevilla handed the title to Real. But the fact that Fabio Capello pulled off a most astonishing comeback, both for the club and himself, speaks volumes about the kind of fairytale season La Liga has just witnessed.

Into that fairytale one can hardly dismiss the contribution of David Beckham – cast aside and left for dead, he almost single-handedly revived Real’s season and became the catalyst for their championship run. It has been said that in any good story, a hero knows when to die; but to be a god, you have to know when to come back from the dead. If that were the defining aspect of Real’s season, the god is on his way to Hollywood.

And thinking about that last part leaves a bitter-sweet taste to the conclusion of the Spanish season. It looks like despite winning in the most dramatic fashion, Real Madrid will be broken up with not even Capello spared. So, too, will Barcelona, except for them, the reason for the disintegration will be their failure to meet expectation.

Ronaldinho looked eclipsed by Kaka in the world footballing stakes and Barcelona fans will never accept second best. Samuel Eto’o proved a destructive force this season and will probably be replaced by Thierry Henry.

Elsewhere, armed with clout and cash, the hawks of the English Premiership will be circling over the remains of La Liga, gleefully rubbing their hands and eyeing the pickings from not only Madrid and Barcelona, but also Sevilla, Valencia and every other Spanish club.

I confess that I’m new to La Liga and haven’t been following it as religiously as some, so my observations are largely confined to the more prominent Spanish clubs. But still, here’s my rundown of who’s likely to show up in the Premiership from La Liga next season.

Dani Alves - from Sevilla to Chelsea. Everyone in the Premiership wants him but only Chelsea can accommodate his style. It's no secret that Sevilla built their entire season around Alves’ foraging upfield – at times to the detriment of their defence. To ask Alves to play in a rigid formation will curtail what the player is all about. So any team wanting his services will need to find a way to plug the gap at the back. Chelsea can do that. Jose Mourinho already budgeted for such a contingency when he swooped for the similar Ashley Cole with John Terry, Ricardo Carvalho and Claude Makelele covering his sorties. And with Mourinho seriously lacking a right-back, there is no one better than Alves.

Fernando Torres - from Atletico Madrid to Liverpool. Rafa has always needed a better target-man than Peter Crouch and the latter has been living on borrowed time until Benitez could get someone better. The fact that Crouch was left out of the Liverpool side in Athens, to be called upon so late in the game despite the Reds being down, speaks a lot about Benitez’s faith in him. It is an unfortunate way to be treated.

David Villa - from Valencia to Manchester United. Probably the most complete forward. He isn’t big, but with a brain like he has, who needs to be? He plays like a combination of Wayne Rooney and Michael Owen. Sir Alex has the former and covets the later. Why not take Villa? Besides, who else but Chelski could afford him?

David Silva/Jose Antonio Reyes - from Valencia/Real Madrid via Arsenal to Liverpool. If Arsene Wenger wasn’t blind to the shortcomings of Alex Hleb, he would be looking at moving heaven and earth to get Silva. David is young, skilful and looks a great prospect for the future. Arsene may have missed his progress, or find he has no money for him even if he did notice something. But surely Benitez, who has been on the lookout for wingers all season, would have recognised that someone special was surfacing in his old stomping ground. As for Reyes, despite a magical last game for Real, the player was a huge disappointment – much like Julio Baptista was for Arsenal. In any case, it is unlikely Arsenal will want him back, preferring to settle for the cash that he will bring. Enter Benitez, who has had farcical luck with finding left-wingers. Another try at another option couldn’t hurt Liverpool, could it?

David Albelda/ Diego Milito - from Valencia/Real Zaragoza to Manchester City. This really depends on who will be managing City next year. Also, if said manager has sufficient Thai money to spend. But after losing Joey Barton – and thankfully for that – to Newcastle and with the departure of Sylvain Distin leaving huge leadership gaps, City will be in need of a fresh impetus if they are to make anything of themselves next season. Albelda and Milito will be part of the answer. Albelda is quiet, uncomplicated and efficient but nevertheless hard as nails; he is the type of mule on which to build and carry a team – much like Makelele is for Chelsea. Milito seems able to score goals entirely on his own. In an often misfiring Zaragoza midfield which consistently starved him of proper service, Milito still found 23 goals from nowhere – which should make him right at home in City’s line up.

Sergio Ramos - from Real Madrid to Arsenal. With Christoph Metzelder on his way to partner the more established Fabio Cannavaro, Ramos will be surplus to requirements and can be lured to Arsenal. Rather, one can hope. Again, Ramos is a youngster Wenger missed and instead got Philippe Senderos. Whichever Arsenal scout was responsible for that :censored:-up surely needs to be replaced.

Jose Guti and Antonio Cassano - from Real Madrid to West Ham in part exchange for Carlos Tevez, who is leaving West Ham for sure. His crusade to save the Hammers has not escaped the notice of every conscious scout in the footballing world. If Curbs was smart, he’d use Tevez as serious bargaining power to plunder what’s left of the Real war-chest. Maybe the best of the Madrid stars will not be persuaded to leave for east London, but Guti and Cassano need new ground to prove their worth in the face of dwindling perception of their abilities. Albeit West ham aren’t glamorous, but they have TV exposure.

Pablo Aimar/Nikola Zigic - from Real Zaragoza/Racing Santander to Tottenham Hotspur. Aimar is brilliant at his best, but lately inconsistent and seems a shadow of the player he was once. Spurs have lacked a real creative midfielder after Michael Carrick left and they could do worse than gamble on Aimar, who may well be classified as a has-been who still retains a promise of what could still be. And Zigic's tall and big presence will be the perfect foil for Dimitar Berbatov (if he stays) in a way neither Jermain Defoe nor Keane can be.

Now a word on a much-anticipated swap - Thierry Henry for Eto'o. Would losing Henry be a big loss for Wenger? Last season saw the worst of Henry, both because of his injury and because of his temperament. Wenger needs a leader to mould and lead his fragile team. Henry's moaning and envious glancing at other clubs with the potential to win the Champions League has proved he is not it.

Granted Eto'o is no better, but then again the kids don’t look to him the way they used to Henry. At Arsenal, Eto'o's ego will not be in conflict with anyone else simply because there isn't anyone bigger than him and no one to steal his limelight. Also, in Eto'o, Arsenal may finally find a player who can play effectively alongside Emmanuel Adebayor.

So there it is. Expect the best of La Liga to show up on Premiership TV next season. Would that ruin La Liga? I doubt it. Many Premiership stars will be crossing over as well, among them may well be Henry, Arjen Robben and Andriy Shevchenko. Now if you think the latter's failure at Chelsea will make him a laughing stock in La Liga, think Diego Forlan, Fredi Kanoute, Gio Van Bronckhorst etc etc. All major successes - and Gio a Champions League winner, even.

Who would you like to see from La Liga in your team? Post a comment below or submit an article to Sportingo.
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Postby Ian Rush's Right foot » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:07 pm

from the guardian

Jose Antonio Reyes will become the 174th player to fail to solve Liverpool's problems on the left wing once Real and Arsenal both decide they don't want him.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:19 pm

Ian Rush's Right foot wrote:from the guardian

Jose Antonio Reyes will become the 174th player to fail to solve Liverpool's problems on the left wing once Real and Arsenal both decide they don't want him.

Highly unlikely I think. It's no secret that Reyes wants a permanent return to Spain as he isn't happy in the UK.

Don't really think that he's lived up to expectations since his move from Sevilla and there must be better available out there.
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Postby cpc4eva » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:15 am

Rafa goes for £30m Torres... but do the board know?
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Last updated at 23:43pm on 20th June 2007

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Rafa Benitez wants to launch a £45million raid on Spain this summer that will test the resolve of Liverpool’s new American owners to underwrite their manager’s bid for the Premiership title.

Benitez has identified Atletico Madrid star Fernando Torres, one of the most wanted men in Europe, as his No 1 target despite a £30m valuation placed on the 23-year-old striker.

Anfield’s frustrated manager has also outlined plans to pip Newcastle, Sunderland and Aston Villa to Villarreal’s former Manchester United striker Diego Forlan, who will cost £15.5m.

Benitez’s contacts in Spain have told him how much would be required to lever the players out and now he wants Liverpool’s board to back him. The reality is that it might take double the Americans’ proposed budget.

Although Atletico are due to announce this week that their £30m-valued talisman is staying put, they may be tempted by cash plus Liverpool’s Luis Garcia, who played for them four years ago.

Certainly, the key deals Benitez wants to push through will test his new owners’ intent in the ambitious Spaniard’s eyes.

He wants to move quickly for Torres, whose emergence as one of the best finishers in Europe has also been monitored by United, Arsenal and, inevitably, Chelsea.

He has scored 82 goals in 212 League games for Atletico — and another 14 in his 42 appearances for Spain — but his club are vulnerable after their failure to qualify for the UEFA Cup.

Benitez, eyeing a first Liverpool title in 18 years, wants to further increase his options by adding Forlan, who has emerged as a different player in Spain since ending his problematic spell at Old Trafford.

But the skilful Uruguay striker, 28, finished the Spanish season strongly and could be hard to lure back to the Premiership, given his love of life in Spain.

If he can land both Torres and Forlan, Benitez — already inclined to let Craig Bellamy move on — would live with the loss of Luis Garcia.

He is also happy to allow striker Djibril Cisse to remain at Marseille, where he spent last season on loan, with the clubs thought to be close to agreeing a new deal that would frustrate Bolton boss Sammy Lee.

Plans for the new Anfield stadium are expected to be unveiled and submitted to Liverpool council next month.
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Postby JoeTerp » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:50 am

I know there aren't any links with this move but at least to me it makes sense:  Lukas Podolski.  He is young (22) and very talented, and Bayern have  bought Luca Toni adn already have Makaay and Santa Cruz so he isn't going to play as much as last year and Munich aren't going to be in the Champions League next season.  They have already spent big on Ribery and Toni, but I guess the Hargreaves deal paid for that.  Still, they are going to need to raise funds to make up for no CL football which is probably so expected its built into the yearly budget.
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Postby red_guy » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:57 am

Better go for podolski than wasting 30M just to get torres. too Much. Overrated!
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Postby redsince2001 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:43 am

Liverpool are poised to make a £25m swoop for Atletico Madrid striker Fernando Torres. (Various)
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Postby cpc4eva » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:28 am

the news stories re reds and torres are coming thru very quickly now.... looks like he will be our big signing..... ??

this from the skysports at 8.08am

Liverpool will have to top their transfer record if they want to land Spain striker Fernando Torres.

Transfer Special - click here

Atletico Madrid president Enrique Cerezo is understood to have told potential suitors they will have to pay the £27million release clause in his contract to land him.

There are suggestions a delegation from Liverpool has been in the Spanish capital looking to tie up a deal before other clubs can muscle in but the two parties are not thought to be close to an agreement.

Manchester United and Chelsea are also believed to be monitoring movements, according to press reports.

Uncertainty over the transfer funds available to Rafael Benitez may force the Reds boss to look at a player-plus-cash deal in order to land the world-class striker he covets.

After failing to qualify for the Uefa Cup next season, Atletico may be prepared to cash in on Torres in spite of their efforts over the last couple of years to hang on to their prized asset.


and then this from the mirror at 8.11am

RAFA CLOSING IN
By David Maddock 21/06/2007

LIVERPOOL are poised to sign Spanish super striker Fernando Torres in a sensational £24million deal that will help make the peace with boss Rafa Benitez.

The new American owners of Anfield have made the Atletico Madrid hitman a priority in an attempt to show their manager they mean business and hope to seal the deal by the end of the week.

Benitez has become increasingly frustrated with the lack of action and apparent lack of cash from the money men this summer, and the fans have also started voicing their concerns.

Ideally, the Anfield bosses would like to spend no more than £20m on the Spain star, but owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett realise they may have to pay the £24m release fee in Torres' contract if they are to conclude negotiations swiftly.

Atletico are reluctant to let their skipper, a Reds fan, go. But failure to qualify for next season's UEFA Cup appears to have forced their hand and they have finally accepted they will not be able to hold on to their prize asset any longer.

Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal have all been linked with the striker who has scored 82 goals in La Liga.
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