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by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:25 pm

I am disappointed with his comments but i guess he has to do whats best for himself. Rafa does not rate him so i guess he thinks his future lies elsewhere.

But people take the out of his record this season... Not a bad return for a RIGHT WINGER... His temperament is questionable, finishing and first touch are sometimes lacking but what can you expect from a player who has not been given a decent chance to prove himself. He would score 1 game and be back on the bench next week.

I know that, I want him to stay in Liverpool too but there's too many ppl here prefer him to go ...

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:29 pm

LiverpoolMadman wrote:
I am disappointed with his comments but i guess he has to do whats best for himself. Rafa does not rate him so i guess he thinks his future lies elsewhere.

But people take the out of his record this season... Not a bad return for a RIGHT WINGER... His temperament is questionable, finishing and first touch are sometimes lacking but what can you expect from a player who has not been given a decent chance to prove himself. He would score 1 game and be back on the bench next week.

I know that, I want him to stay in Liverpool too but there's too many ppl here prefer him to go ...

Cause he's :censored:

by **Garymac** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:19 pm

PCG77, you dont lose your 1st touch cos your on the bench, they do train most days you know.

Cisse appeals to the fickle fans who buy into his bullsh!t, i watch him week in and week out and watch him do fuc* all for 90 minutes then at the end of the game run upto the crowd and give someone his shirt, and people go "ohh what a nice chap" no its him making up for the fact that he is a lazy cu*t with no ability so he feels the need this is the only way he can give something back.

You never see Gerrard, Hamann, Hyypia, Carra, finnan etc etc, do this, and why not, cos they give there all for the red shirt andd as supporters we know this.

Id rather see cisse give a 100 percent than give his fu*king shirt away every week, that would please me more.

by **duk** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:33 pm

if cisse had been given th same amount of time on th pitch than both crouch and nando im sure he would have scored more than he has (he's still scored more than the pair of them)

still not worth 14mill and i dont think a 20-a-season striker
i think he's better than crouch tho

by **thegreedo** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:00 pm

Garymac wrote:PCG77, you dont lose your 1st touch cos your on the bench, they do train most days you know.

Cisse appeals to the fickle fans who buy into his bullsh!t, i watch him week in and week out and watch him do fuc* all for 90 minutes then at the end of the game run upto the crowd and give someone his shirt, and people go "ohh what a nice chap" no its him making up for the fact that he is a lazy cu*t with no ability so he feels the need this is the only way he can give something back.

You never see Gerrard, Hamann, Hyypia, Carra, finnan etc etc, do this, and why not, cos they give there all for the red shirt andd as supporters we know this.

Id rather see cisse give a 100 percent than give his fu*king shirt away every week, that would please me more.

Couldn't agree more Gary mate! I'm sure the people who sing his praises on here are the one's who may catch the odd flash of brilliance on match of the day.

I like you find myself continually frustrated week after week by his erratic workrate and selfish, self promoting attitude. I'd also like to see him knuckle down and become an integral "team" player but I don't think his character would ever allow that. I don't doubt there is some talent there but he simply doesn't have the temprement or work ethic of a liverpool player and I don't think he ever will have.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:27 pm

PCG77, you dont lose your 1st touch cos your on the bench, they do train most days you know.

Cisse appeals to the fickle fans who buy into his bullsh!t, i watch him week in and week out and watch him do fuc* all for 90 minutes then at the end of the game run upto the crowd and give someone his shirt, and people go "ohh what a nice chap" no its him making up for the fact that he is a lazy cu*t with no ability so he feels the need this is the only way he can give something back.

You never see Gerrard, Hamann, Hyypia, Carra, finnan etc etc, do this, and why not, cos they give there all for the red shirt andd as supporters we know this.

Id rather see cisse give a 100 percent than give his fu*king shirt away every week, that would please me more.

Well .... as for me Liverpool with cisse or without cisse next season, I want LIverpool to win EPL Title next season . It have been long long time Liverpool without the title.

by **Ciggy** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:08 pm

LiverpoolMadman wrote:Well .... as for me Liverpool with cisse or without cisse next season, I want LIverpool to win EPL Title next season . It have been long long time Liverpool without the title.

Madman you really love him dont ya

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:44 pm

Madman you really love him dont ya

No .... Not Cisse ... I only Love Liverpool. I want Liverpool to win the EPL title next season.

by **Ace Ventura** » Sun May 21, 2006 1:35 pm

His decent goals return at the end of the season, and the fact that he has been picked in the worldcup squad for France should hopefully mean we recoup more than we all have anticipated.
If we do sell him for anything over 8 million then Rafa needs to be applauded, he could of sold him in January but it would of been at a dramatic loss, but he kept hold of him, has often stated that he is in his plans and now if he has a decent worldcup i think we may get about 9 million for him. Thats a decent amount that could help bring in a top striker.
Cisse has frustrated me more than any other player this season, he comes out to the press all the time making statements that he wants to stay and fight for his place, but then when he's given the oppurtunity in the team he skulks around the pitch if a pass is misplaced towards him and generally has no impact at all on the game. He should be an ideal player to bring on late in a game, but he isnt, he comes on in a bad mood, sulking because he never started in the first place. If it was anyone else coming on with 10-20 minutes left they would try and do all they could to impress and prove the manager was wrong not to start them in the first place.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun May 21, 2006 2:18 pm

I think Rafa came mightly close to selling him in the Jan transfer window. I think he kept him because the money lost (and the fact we might still need him) changed his mind at the last moment. Personally, i'd try and hold out for 10 million (maybe i'm dreaming, but i would!) and see if we get any good offers after the world cup. There are a few clubs who want him (including Lyon!) so it might just be possible to get most of our money back.

by **JC_81** » Sun May 21, 2006 2:33 pm

If Lyon and Houllier are interested then it's very possible that we'll get 8-9 million for Cisse. It's not a matter of 'if we sell him' any more, it's a matter of 'when we sell him' and has been since before January.

Benitez was right not to get rid in January because we'd have been lucky to get 5 mil, infact any offers we did get were loan offers were they not? But to be fair to Benitez he's given Cisse a few chances and while he's still not set the premiership alight, a few goals including a cracker in a high profile game like the FA cup final will definitely have gone some way to convincing some clubs that he's worth a punt. France is his most likely destination, but don't rule out someone like Newcastle or Spurs just yet.

I'll certainly be putting money on him not starting next season as a Liverpool player.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:24 pm

I think all the critisism Cisse is receiving is a little unfair. Anyone who has seen Cisse play for Auxuere or France will know that he has always played the same way. He walks about the pitch looking like hes the main man just waiting for his chance and then when it comes he usually doesnt take it(offside,bad touch,straight at keeper etc.).But Cisse didnt say he was worth £14million he said he would score 20 goals a season for liverpool. I believe he would have 20+ goals if played more often this season. The problem is at what cost to the team are those 20+ goals. He seems to score his goals against the poorer sides and has shown no willingness to change his style and try to work hard for the team. He is fast but stands about flatfooted rather than on his toes ready to react. His ratio of chances to goals is poor and his failure to chase "lost causes" and passes that are slightly awry is very frustrating. Yet he had all these faults when Liverpool bought him. Surely the blame is with the people who paid £14million for him "sold as seen". Houllier had a proven record of buying "lemons" why should we be surprised at one more.
Rafa will know by now if Cisse is able to improve both attitude and ability and will either sell him or persevere dependant on this decision and on the true value of the player imho £6-£8million and the offers he receives.

by **Ace Ventura** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:23 pm

s@int wrote:I think all the critisism Cisse is receiving is a little unfair. Anyone who has seen Cisse play for Auxuere or France will know that he has always played the same way. He walks about the pitch looking like hes the main man just waiting for his chance and then when it comes he usually doesnt take it(offside,bad touch,straight at keeper etc.).But Cisse didnt say he was worth £14million he said he would score 20 goals a season for liverpool. I believe he would have 20+ goals if played more often this season. The problem is at what cost to the team are those 20+ goals. He seems to score his goals against the poorer sides and has shown no willingness to change his style and try to work hard for the team. He is fast but stands about flatfooted rather than on his toes ready to react. His ratio of chances to goals is poor and his failure to chase "lost causes" and passes that are slightly awry is very frustrating. Yet he had all these faults when Liverpool bought him. Surely the blame is with the people who paid £14million for him "sold as seen". Houllier had a proven record of buying "lemons" why should we be surprised at one more.
Rafa will know by now if Cisse is able to improve both attitude and ability and will either sell him or persevere dependant on this decision and on the true value of the player imho £6-£8million and the offers he receives.

S@int tbh i dont care who the blame lies with for the amount of money we paid for him.
And obviously the transfer fee was not chosen by Cisse but at the end of the day that doesnt detract from the fact that he's not good enough for Liverpool. Whether he feels he's kept his promise of delivering goals if he plays is irrelevant imo.
He hasnt improved in the areas where he is weak, and if a player comes to Liverpool with major limitations in his game and he doesnt show any signs of improving them, then for me the only answer is to get rid.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:37 pm

He hasnt improved in the areas where he is weak, and if a player comes to Liverpool with major limitations in his game and he doesnt show any signs of improving them, then for me the only answer is to get rid.

I agree if the right offer comes along (anything above £7million imho) but if not, we have to accept hes a Liverpool player and stop expecting him to play like hes worth £14million and just to play like hes worth a Liverpool shirt.

by **Ace Ventura** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:48 pm

s@int wrote:
He hasnt improved in the areas where he is weak, and if a player comes to Liverpool with major limitations in his game and he doesnt show any signs of improving them, then for me the only answer is to get rid.

I agree if the right offer comes along (anything above £7million imho) but if not, we have to accept hes a Liverpool player and stop expecting him to play like hes worth £14million and just to play like hes worth a Liverpool shirt.

You wont find any arguments from me with that one mate, no matter how much i think a player is not good enough for Liverpool (Traore), when they put on the red shirt they will always get my full support. Its only on somewhere like here that you can get your true feelings out, to do it at the match helps nobody.
With regards to Cisse if he can score 2-3 goals in the worldcup then we may get 10 million for him, to some that might sound stupid but he will have his admirers especially after the way he took his cup final goal.
Also most people dont watch him for 90 minutes like we do, they will see some great goals and an exciting turn of pace and be conned (like we were) well here's hoping.

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