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Lando_Griffin wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:Yes clearly the pattern is to much for you to grasp.

You're arguement is that no-one else rates him. Mine is I rate him and i have the balls to go against the majority where as people like yourself, who can't judge a player, go with the majority.

Its highly amusing when people like you question my judgment on a player when all you do, is base your opinions on other peoples rather than what you actually see.

The point is, you've spent the last half an hour telling me how no-one rates Fowler? I've spend the last half an hour waiting for you to come up with reasons why you don't, yet all you can say is "because no-one else does". That says it all about you're knowledge of the game. You rate players like Carragher as "world class" Which i am quoting... JAMIE CARRAGHER "WORLD CLASS" because the crowd go with it, yet i bet 6 years ago, you wouldn't have complained if he was dropped. The slagging off he used to get and the times i defended him from idiots like you, crowd followers, people without there own opinions, now look at you all.

The fact is, my opinion of hims stayed the same all along because i was right in my judgement, yours changes more times than you change your boxies because you were wrong.

Lad, my points clear, back up YOUR opinions, or don't you have any?

Stu.......you're a funny guy, you really are!  let's see...ok right, back to the Carra arguement....seems you've missed the point (again) there.

You argued that players were born great and not moulded....my POINT was Carra started off as a squad player for us and now, 6 years later, he's WORLD CLASS......you understand that?  if not, re-read it and try again, it will answer your question...it says that he started off average/good and now is WORLD CLASS after being moulded with good training.  Get it yet?  good.

Reasons i don't rate Fowler anymore....well, i've said it a few times, but what the hell, lets say it a few more!  He can't get a contract at city or anywhere else......you get that?  He's a footballer who can't get a contract, ANYWHERE....now call me funny, but when noone offers a player a contract, it means that they (paid football manager) don't rate him....now how can this be?  They are experts who have scouts and stuff?!!?  i gues it's because they know, as i do, that Fowler is past it.

so now we boil down to the basic point....you think you're right and refuse to back down....why?  because you're an egotistical moron who thinks he knows it all, fact is you know jack!  Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, i'm off to bed!

So you can't give an actual reason for not rating him, other than a few sh*t managers don't?

Good reasoning, chump. 


These are the facts:
Fowler is a player who needs a constant run in the team to see the best of him. He is only the best when allowed to gain sharpness.

JC always had the ability he has got now, it's just that, as Stu said, he is playing in a system which highlights his strengths, and hides his few weaknesses.


I take it that in your little world, the same rules cannot apply to Fowler as he's a striker?


Make the world a better place lad, and grow up.

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:Yes clearly the pattern is to much for you to grasp.

You're arguement is that no-one else rates him. Mine is I rate him and i have the balls to go against the majority where as people like yourself, who can't judge a player, go with the majority.

Its highly amusing when people like you question my judgment on a player when all you do, is base your opinions on other peoples rather than what you actually see.

The point is, you've spent the last half an hour telling me how no-one rates Fowler? I've spend the last half an hour waiting for you to come up with reasons why you don't, yet all you can say is "because no-one else does". That says it all about you're knowledge of the game. You rate players like Carragher as "world class" Which i am quoting... JAMIE CARRAGHER "WORLD CLASS" because the crowd go with it, yet i bet 6 years ago, you wouldn't have complained if he was dropped. The slagging off he used to get and the times i defended him from idiots like you, crowd followers, people without there own opinions, now look at you all.

The fact is, my opinion of hims stayed the same all along because i was right in my judgement, yours changes more times than you change your boxies because you were wrong.

Lad, my points clear, back up YOUR opinions, or don't you have any?

Stu.......you're a funny guy, you really are!  let's see...ok right, back to the Carra arguement....seems you've missed the point (again) there.

You argued that players were born great and not moulded....my POINT was Carra started off as a squad player for us and now, 6 years later, he's WORLD CLASS......you understand that?  if not, re-read it and try again, it will answer your question...it says that he started off average/good and now is WORLD CLASS after being moulded with good training.  Get it yet?  good.

Reasons i don't rate Fowler anymore....well, i've said it a few times, but what the hell, lets say it a few more!  He can't get a contract at city or anywhere else......you get that?  He's a footballer who can't get a contract, ANYWHERE....now call me funny, but when noone offers a player a contract, it means that they (paid football manager) don't rate him....now how can this be?  They are experts who have scouts and stuff?!!?  i gues it's because they know, as i do, that Fowler is past it.

so now we boil down to the basic point....you think you're right and refuse to back down....why?  because you're an egotistical moron who thinks he knows it all, fact is you know jack!  Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, i'm off to bed!

Right, so Jamie Carragher has improved his tackling ability, pace, strength, positional play, passing, technical ability blah blah blah and gone from being a good player to a "world class" one? And you say i'm funny?

Jamie Carragher has the same level of ABILITY he's always had. ABILITY, see that word? ABILITY. Thats what makes you world class. ABILITY, look again, ABILITY. Not form, not playing in a good system that suits you. Jamie Carragher doesn't have world class ABILITY so therefore isn't a world FOOTBALLER. Jamie Carrgher is a very good player who is played in a system which suits his ATTRIBUTES perfectly to get the best out of him and help him perform to the best of his ABILITY.

You following this so far? Jamie Carragher become this wonderfull alround player since Benitez came to the club, he's simply moved to his best position and slotted into the SYSTEM perfectly. Moulded? Yes, moulded into the system. Does that mean all his attributes get better? No it doesn't.
I've explained this many times for people with a lack of knowledge so they understand.

If you have a player who is amazing at recovery tackles but not so good at reading the game, what do you ask him to do? Read the game? No, you ask him to make recovery tackles. Sami Hyypia is great in the air, if you asked Hyypia and Carragher to swap roles, would they look as good? I don't think so some how. Does that make it any clearer for you or do i have to explain in great detail because you aren't intelligent enough to understand?

Yes, you've said many times you don't have you're opinion, you're basing it on experts like Basset, Worthington, etc. Scouts and stuff like that. I'm sorry, but you think Ferdinand isn't good enough to play for England over Carragher right? Who are you to question Sven, the england manager then? Football managers and coaches aren't always right. Infact, ALOT of them get it wrong ALOT of the time. Even the best get it horribley wrong, look at Ferguson with Djemba-Djemba or Veron.

Wenger with Jeffers. etc etc etc. Mind you, they're the experts right, they're always right.

7_Kewell, you're pathetic, having to result to name calling because i've ripped your aguement to shreds? I know Jack? I don't actually, don't know anyone called Jack.

I know my football though lad, not something that can be said about you. Sleep tight.

lack of knowledge???  this is coming from the guy who said Kewell would'nt play for Liverpool again 

Maybe you're right Stu, you know everything and it's a freak of nature that Fowler can't get regular football or a new club....

kopite_1232002 wrote:kewell vs stu

kewell i think ur off your barnet

i hardly post on this site but ull see me browsing everyday without fail. but this post im stepping in to put my say in

first ov all robbie fowler is not a spent force. he hasnt lost his ability, robbie fowler is a confidance player and the lad has been on, first by liverpool, never wanted to join leeds and when leeds need money cashed in to a 2nd rate prem leauge team.
one ov the most under estimated english players, and im just just saying that cos the man was my god and idol and still is. im saying it because he was,

how can you say he lost his pace. as far as i can remember he has never had pace
the man is a finisher not a athleate, who would you rather have one on one 8 yards out with the keeper?
cisse kewell crouch moro or fowler ill tell you who robbie all day long lad.
sabre talked about the likes ov cisse retiring at the age ov 30 cos ov lack ov pace true. cisse ambition is to beat a player run like a train and blast the ball as hard as he can at the keeper. gets to 30 and he wont be able to beat him self off.
robbie fowler at the age ov 50 would still be able to put the ball in the back ov the net from inside the box. the man doesnt need to look at the goal he knows were it is, and you say he is past it.
hatrick all quality goals and then a 14ft belter across the keeper against no other than man u,

the reason y he cant get a contract at millwall or any other club is simpy because they cant afford his wages. and see as a gamble wiv injurys, you give robbie a run ov games and he will score goals without a shadow ov a doubt, all he needs is service
iv he came back to liverpool pulled on that red shirt on kop singin his name, getting decent service are you telling me he wouldnt score 30 goals a season in all comps am tellin you mate ud be a silly man iv u dint.


ps sorry bout the spelling and grammer abit ov a mong

fowler would score 30 goals a season...

ynwa wrote:was that in the echo the other night i was at the yoyth game last night and the fella in front of mewas saying that the reporter put should we bring back robbie or is the team covered up front

i think not, we're Liverpool not Everton! 

7_Kewell wrote:

kopite_1232002 wrote:kewell vs stu

kewell i think ur off your barnet

i hardly post on this site but ull see me browsing everyday without fail. but this post im stepping in to put my say in

first ov all robbie fowler is not a spent force. he hasnt lost his ability, robbie fowler is a confidance player and the lad has been on, first by liverpool, never wanted to join leeds and when leeds need money cashed in to a 2nd rate prem leauge team.
one ov the most under estimated english players, and im just just saying that cos the man was my god and idol and still is. im saying it because he was,

how can you say he lost his pace. as far as i can remember he has never had pace
the man is a finisher not a athleate, who would you rather have one on one 8 yards out with the keeper?
cisse kewell crouch moro or fowler ill tell you who robbie all day long lad.
sabre talked about the likes ov cisse retiring at the age ov 30 cos ov lack ov pace true. cisse ambition is to beat a player run like a train and blast the ball as hard as he can at the keeper. gets to 30 and he wont be able to beat him self off.
robbie fowler at the age ov 50 would still be able to put the ball in the back ov the net from inside the box. the man doesnt need to look at the goal he knows were it is, and you say he is past it.
hatrick all quality goals and then a 14ft belter across the keeper against no other than man u,

the reason y he cant get a contract at millwall or any other club is simpy because they cant afford his wages. and see as a gamble wiv injurys, you give robbie a run ov games and he will score goals without a shadow ov a doubt, all he needs is service
iv he came back to liverpool pulled on that red shirt on kop singin his name, getting decent service are you telling me he wouldnt score 30 goals a season in all comps am tellin you mate ud be a silly man iv u dint.


ps sorry bout the spelling and grammer abit ov a mong

fowler would score 30 goals a season...

kopite_1232002 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

kopite_1232002 wrote:kewell vs stu

kewell i think ur off your barnet

i hardly post on this site but ull see me browsing everyday without fail. but this post im stepping in to put my say in

first ov all robbie fowler is not a spent force. he hasnt lost his ability, robbie fowler is a confidance player and the lad has been on, first by liverpool, never wanted to join leeds and when leeds need money cashed in to a 2nd rate prem leauge team.
one ov the most under estimated english players, and im just just saying that cos the man was my god and idol and still is. im saying it because he was,

how can you say he lost his pace. as far as i can remember he has never had pace
the man is a finisher not a athleate, who would you rather have one on one 8 yards out with the keeper?
cisse kewell crouch moro or fowler ill tell you who robbie all day long lad.
sabre talked about the likes ov cisse retiring at the age ov 30 cos ov lack ov pace true. cisse ambition is to beat a player run like a train and blast the ball as hard as he can at the keeper. gets to 30 and he wont be able to beat him self off.
robbie fowler at the age ov 50 would still be able to put the ball in the back ov the net from inside the box. the man doesnt need to look at the goal he knows were it is, and you say he is past it.
hatrick all quality goals and then a 14ft belter across the keeper against no other than man u,

the reason y he cant get a contract at millwall or any other club is simpy because they cant afford his wages. and see as a gamble wiv injurys, you give robbie a run ov games and he will score goals without a shadow ov a doubt, all he needs is service
iv he came back to liverpool pulled on that red shirt on kop singin his name, getting decent service are you telling me he wouldnt score 30 goals a season in all comps am tellin you mate ud be a silly man iv u dint.


ps sorry bout the spelling and grammer abit ov a mong

fowler would score 30 goals a season...

maby not 30 but iv he played the majority ov the games in the season he would score more goals than what are strikers are scoring now. the man is a born finisher

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:Yes clearly the pattern is to much for you to grasp.

You're arguement is that no-one else rates him. Mine is I rate him and i have the balls to go against the majority where as people like yourself, who can't judge a player, go with the majority.

Its highly amusing when people like you question my judgment on a player when all you do, is base your opinions on other peoples rather than what you actually see.

The point is, you've spent the last half an hour telling me how no-one rates Fowler? I've spend the last half an hour waiting for you to come up with reasons why you don't, yet all you can say is "because no-one else does". That says it all about you're knowledge of the game. You rate players like Carragher as "world class" Which i am quoting... JAMIE CARRAGHER "WORLD CLASS" because the crowd go with it, yet i bet 6 years ago, you wouldn't have complained if he was dropped. The slagging off he used to get and the times i defended him from idiots like you, crowd followers, people without there own opinions, now look at you all.

The fact is, my opinion of hims stayed the same all along because i was right in my judgement, yours changes more times than you change your boxies because you were wrong.

Lad, my points clear, back up YOUR opinions, or don't you have any?

Stu.......you're a funny guy, you really are!  let's see...ok right, back to the Carra arguement....seems you've missed the point (again) there.

You argued that players were born great and not moulded....my POINT was Carra started off as a squad player for us and now, 6 years later, he's WORLD CLASS......you understand that?  if not, re-read it and try again, it will answer your question...it says that he started off average/good and now is WORLD CLASS after being moulded with good training.  Get it yet?  good.

Reasons i don't rate Fowler anymore....well, i've said it a few times, but what the hell, lets say it a few more!  He can't get a contract at city or anywhere else......you get that?  He's a footballer who can't get a contract, ANYWHERE....now call me funny, but when noone offers a player a contract, it means that they (paid football manager) don't rate him....now how can this be?  They are experts who have scouts and stuff?!!?  i gues it's because they know, as i do, that Fowler is past it.

so now we boil down to the basic point....you think you're right and refuse to back down....why?  because you're an egotistical moron who thinks he knows it all, fact is you know jack!  Thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, i'm off to bed!

Right, so Jamie Carragher has improved his tackling ability, pace, strength, positional play, passing, technical ability blah blah blah and gone from being a good player to a "world class" one? And you say i'm funny?

Jamie Carragher has the same level of ABILITY he's always had. ABILITY, see that word? ABILITY. Thats what makes you world class. ABILITY, look again, ABILITY. Not form, not playing in a good system that suits you. Jamie Carragher doesn't have world class ABILITY so therefore isn't a world FOOTBALLER. Jamie Carrgher is a very good player who is played in a system which suits his ATTRIBUTES perfectly to get the best out of him and help him perform to the best of his ABILITY.

You following this so far? Jamie Carragher become this wonderfull alround player since Benitez came to the club, he's simply moved to his best position and slotted into the SYSTEM perfectly. Moulded? Yes, moulded into the system. Does that mean all his attributes get better? No it doesn't.
I've explained this many times for people with a lack of knowledge so they understand.

If you have a player who is amazing at recovery tackles but not so good at reading the game, what do you ask him to do? Read the game? No, you ask him to make recovery tackles. Sami Hyypia is great in the air, if you asked Hyypia and Carragher to swap roles, would they look as good? I don't think so some how. Does that make it any clearer for you or do i have to explain in great detail because you aren't intelligent enough to understand?

Yes, you've said many times you don't have you're opinion, you're basing it on experts like Basset, Worthington, etc. Scouts and stuff like that. I'm sorry, but you think Ferdinand isn't good enough to play for England over Carragher right? Who are you to question Sven, the england manager then? Football managers and coaches aren't always right. Infact, ALOT of them get it wrong ALOT of the time. Even the best get it horribley wrong, look at Ferguson with Djemba-Djemba or Veron.

Wenger with Jeffers. etc etc etc. Mind you, they're the experts right, they're always right.

7_Kewell, you're pathetic, having to result to name calling because i've ripped your aguement to shreds? I know Jack? I don't actually, don't know anyone called Jack.

I know my football though lad, not something that can be said about you. Sleep tight.

lack of knowledge???  this is coming from the guy who said Kewell would'nt play for Liverpool again 

Maybe you're right Stu, you know everything and it's a freak of nature that Fowler can't get regular football or a new club....

Where did i say Kewell WOULDN'T play for Liverpool again?

Come on lad, i'm still waiting for the reasons you don't rate Fowler.

stu_the_red wrote:Of course Carragher's improved slightly. The main difference is he's playing in a side that suits him.

What part of playing in the wrong system don't you understand? You are truely unbelievable.

Right let me explain it for you in thicko terms...

You have striker who is world class in the 18 yard box. He is world class at reading the flight of the ball and beating defenders to it, he's world class at being in the right place to bury a chance should it arise. He's excellent at heading a ball when crosses are put in, he's got a fantastic finish in many different ways when the ball is in and around that 18 yard box.
He has a good touch, links up with other players superbly who run beyond him and has good vision and awareness of team mates. He has a decent shot from outside the box, has very average pace and isn't really the strongest of players.

This striker will obviously prosper in a team which puts crosses into the box and has people running behind him creating cut backs, passes and crosses for headers, you'd see the best out of him, because thats what he does best. He scores goals from these positions.

If you ask this lad to play in a side (LIKE CITY) who rely on there strikers to have pace (Cole and Vassell), defend deep and rarely put crosses into the box, then you aren't going to see the best of this striker. The striker will be asked to play with his back to goal and win flick ons, being 5'9 he's going to struggle. Also if he's asked to use his "pace" against the likes of Toure, Campbell, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Gallas, what do you think the outcome will be?

Do you know that if you play a player to there weaknesses it drastically effects there performance? That may be to much for someone to take in, but it works the other way round. You see when you play players to their strengths, you get the impression they are better than they actually are, IE Carragher, Lampard, Terry.

Fowlers strengths are finishing, reading the flight of the ball better than a defender allowing him to get to the ball first inside the box, his technical ability and his awareness of whats around him. If there's nothing around him, no chances for him to convert, no crosses for him to get on the end of and no runners for him to link up with, what do you expect him to do?

Adapt by gaining Cisse like pace and Adriano like strength?

I'm not being funny lad, you simply don't understand football, you may like the game alot, you maybe really passionate about it, but you don't understand it.

so Fowler is a poacher......(surprise surprise) ...but hang on!!! so is Andy Cole!  What? Cole has pace?!?!? Have you EVER seen him play??   

Stu, Cole is the same type of player as Fowler....a poacher who was deadly in the 18 yard box.....if you honesty think Vassell and Cole are similar, you're the one who hasn't a clue.