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[Lando_Griffin]

But Cole is a w*nker.

[7_Kewell]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

[115-1073096938]

The simple fact is people like you can't judge an individual player. They see what they want to see.

If you have a players like Alonso and Gerrard, they stand out wherever they play. If you put them into systems that suit them, that will make them play better.

Now if you have players with the same level of ability and one is in a great system that suits him and the other isn't, you get the Lampard effect... second best player in the world? Better than Zidane? Rooney? Gerrard? Owen? Shevchenko? Alonso? Deco? Puyol? Cannavaro? Henry?

Pffft yeah right.

He'd be more at home being compared to other really good players like Barton, Parker and Bullard.

However, idiots can't see that.

[115-1073096938]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Provide a good arguement lad.

I'm waiting for it. I'll rip it to shreds and i'll come up with 2 reasons why you're wrong for every point you make. Go on smart , come up with one. Lets see who's lost the plot and who knos their football.

[115-1073096938]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Well heres a scenario for you.

Robbie Fowler, played in a team that played to his strengths, IE this current Liverpool side, where he played more than one game in a row, most of his games were starts and not sub appearances, had a bit of time to get a bit of rhythm and confidence back, with the crowds backing wouldn't AT LEAST have scored another 12 goals in those 90 games?

Do you think playing for us he wouldn't have 40 in 90?

Do you think he wouldn't know how to link with players anymore? And how to finish and take chances? Do you think he's forgot how to do that? Has he lost his composure infront of goal? Is Cisse better than him?

[7_Kewell]

The simple fact is people like you can't judge an individual player. They see what they want to see.

If you have a players like Alonso and Gerrard, they stand out wherever they play. If you put them into systems that suit them, that will make them play better.

Now if you have players with the same level of ability and one is in a great system that suits him and the other isn't, you get the Lampard effect... second best player in the world? Better than Zidane? Rooney? Gerrard? Owen? Shevchenko? Alonso? Deco? Puyol? Cannavaro? Henry?

Pffft yeah right.

He'd be more at home being compared to other really good players like Barton, Parker and Bullard.

However, idiots can't see that.

Stu....Fowler was offered to Norwich and some other div1 clubs...they all said no.  Not because of his wages, but because they think he's a spent force and hasn't the fitness or desire to play at a consistent level anymore.  Come the summer, he'll be looking for a new club because City won't renew his contract and i'd be surprised if anyone else in the Premiership does.   I don't say this with satisfaction, i'd have loved to see Robbie be one of the highest scorers in the league....i just say it because he's washed up and, like Mcmanaman, will probably quit the game in the next 12 months or so.

[Lando_Griffin]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Provide a good arguement lad.

I'm waiting for it. I'll rip it to shreds and i'll come up with 2 reasons why you're wrong for every point you make. Go on smart , come up with one. Lets see who's lost the plot and who knos their football.

Yeah! 







































 

[7_Kewell]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Provide a good arguement lad.

I'm waiting for it. I'll rip it to shreds and i'll come up with 2 reasons why you're wrong for every point you make. Go on smart , come up with one. Lets see who's lost the plot and who knos their football.

stu....there isn't an arugment for you to win....Fowler isn't even wanted by the likes of Norwich or Milwall!

[115-1073096938]

The simple fact is people like you can't judge an individual player. They see what they want to see.

If you have a players like Alonso and Gerrard, they stand out wherever they play. If you put them into systems that suit them, that will make them play better.

Now if you have players with the same level of ability and one is in a great system that suits him and the other isn't, you get the Lampard effect... second best player in the world? Better than Zidane? Rooney? Gerrard? Owen? Shevchenko? Alonso? Deco? Puyol? Cannavaro? Henry?

Pffft yeah right.

He'd be more at home being compared to other really good players like Barton, Parker and Bullard.

However, idiots can't see that.

Stu....Fowler was offered to Norwich and some other div1 clubs...they all said no.  Not because of his wages, but because they think he's a spent force and hasn't the fitness or desire to play at a consistent level anymore.  Come the summer, he'll be looking for a new club because City won't renew his contract and i'd be surprised if anyone else in the Premiership does.   I don't say this with satisfaction, i'd have loved to see Robbie be one of the highest scorers in the league....i just say it because he's washed up and, like Mcmanaman, will probably quit the game in the next 12 months or so.

Fowler was offered to Norwich? Can Norwich afford his wages? Do Norwich know how to get the best out of such a player? Do Norwich play to his strengths? Do Norwich believe the hype about him being finished?

He hasn't the fitness? Maybe he's not as fit as he was, that didn't stop him scoring a a class goal against Scunthorpe (the second in a hatrick) and a quality strike against Manchester United, who? Oh yes, one of the top three sides in the country against one of the best keepers in the country.

City won't renew his contract. Again, this comes down to the fact that City don't play to his strengths, City don't know how to use Fowler, City don't know how to get the best out of him. Thats crystal clear.

He hasn't the desire to play at this level anymore? You don't think he looked pleased to score a hatrick? You don't think he looked pleased to see him bury one past the mancs then wind them up? You think that desire and confidence is gone forever? You don't think something can happen, like someone making him first choice and holding in high regard can revive his career?

How can Fowler be a top scorer in a team that doesn't play to his strengths? That has most of its attacking play relying on pace in the central area's? He's NEVER EVER had this ability so why do you expect him to have it now? Infact i can't remember any goal he's ever scored what relied on pace, maybe one against Steve Howey YES STEVE HOWEY at anfield when he ran onto a through ball...

I'm sorry 7_Kewell, but your arguement is all conditional and based on other peoples opinions... Norwich won't take him so he's past it? That doesn't wash with me lad. I take what i see, what i see is the same touch, the same finishes over the last few weeks, the same instinct and the same satisfaction in scoring goals. What i also see is a player of EXTREME talent lacking in confidence and support and a SLIGHT bit of match fitness.

What i don't see is a lad who's lost his touch, game intelligence, skill, ability to link up with others or ability to be in the right place at the right time. At the end of the day though, i watch the player, not the media.

[115-1073096938]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Provide a good arguement lad.

I'm waiting for it. I'll rip it to shreds and i'll come up with 2 reasons why you're wrong for every point you make. Go on smart , come up with one. Lets see who's lost the plot and who knos their football.

stu....there isn't an arugment for you to win....Fowler isn't even wanted by the likes of Norwich or Milwall!

That to me perfectly sums up your arguement.

Well i tell you what, when we signed Crouch we WERE and probably still are THE laughing stock of the country.

Everyone said how poor he was. I mean, Spurs didn't want him, Portsmouth didn't want him, Villa didn't want him, Southampton, what? He'd had half a decent season there and only got in the side once Beattie left?

Oh hang on... who's having the last laugh? How many people would go for him now if he was available? Where were all the experts at those times? Spurs are a better club than Norwich, as are Villa... So what happened?

Surely they should know right? Going by your methods?

[7_Kewell]

The simple fact is people like you can't judge an individual player. They see what they want to see.

If you have a players like Alonso and Gerrard, they stand out wherever they play. If you put them into systems that suit them, that will make them play better.

Now if you have players with the same level of ability and one is in a great system that suits him and the other isn't, you get the Lampard effect... second best player in the world? Better than Zidane? Rooney? Gerrard? Owen? Shevchenko? Alonso? Deco? Puyol? Cannavaro? Henry?

Pffft yeah right.

He'd be more at home being compared to other really good players like Barton, Parker and Bullard.

However, idiots can't see that.

Stu....Fowler was offered to Norwich and some other div1 clubs...they all said no.  Not because of his wages, but because they think he's a spent force and hasn't the fitness or desire to play at a consistent level anymore.  Come the summer, he'll be looking for a new club because City won't renew his contract and i'd be surprised if anyone else in the Premiership does.   I don't say this with satisfaction, i'd have loved to see Robbie be one of the highest scorers in the league....i just say it because he's washed up and, like Mcmanaman, will probably quit the game in the next 12 months or so.

Fowler was offered to Norwich? Can Norwich afford his wages? Do Norwich know how to get the best out of such a player? Do Norwich play to his strengths? Do Norwich believe the hype about him being finished?

He hasn't the fitness? Maybe he's not as fit as he was, that didn't stop him scoring a a class goal against Scunthorpe (the second in a hatrick) and a quality strike against Manchester United, who? Oh yes, one of the top three sides in the country against one of the best keepers in the country.

City won't renew his contract. Again, this comes down to the fact that City don't play to his strengths, City don't know how to use Fowler, City don't know how to get the best out of him. Thats crystal clear.

He hasn't the desire to play at this level anymore? You don't think he looked pleased to score a hatrick? You don't think he looked pleased to see him bury one past the mancs then wind them up? You think that desire and confidence is gone forever? You don't think something can happen, like someone making him first choice and holding in high regard can revive his career?

How can Fowler be a top scorer in a team that doesn't play to his strengths? That has most of its attacking play relying on pace in the central area's? He's NEVER EVER had this ability so why do you expect him to have it now? Infact i can't remember any goal he's ever scored what relied on pace, maybe one against Steve Howey YES STEVE HOWEY at anfield when he ran onto a through ball...

I'm sorry 7_Kewell, but your arguement is all conditional and based on other peoples opinions... Norwich won't take him so he's past it? That doesn't wash with me lad. I take what i see, what i see is the same touch, the same finishes over the last few weeks, the same instinct and the same satisfaction in scoring goals. What i also see is a player of EXTREME talent lacking in confidence and support and a SLIGHT bit of match fitness.

What i don't see is a lad who's lost his touch, game intelligence, skill, ability to link up with others or ability to be in the right place at the right time. At the end of the day though, i watch the player, not the media.

you're talking utter tosh stu....you honestly trying to tell me that Robbie Fowler, a player who noone wants, a player whose on availble for transfer to anyone who wants, is one of the best players in the country!! 

Nigel Worthinton came out publicly and said they had been offered him.....they didn't want him because they weren't convinced of his desire to play anymore.  But hang on, if he's one of the best strikers in the country, it shouldn't matter what stregths teams play to....he should get goals like all 'great' strikers?  I find it hilarious that you think you know more than all the managers in the 2 top flights of the English league....i really do 

[7_Kewell]

Exactly, nearly one every three and we're saying its a joke. Also the fact he's playing in a team that doesn't suit him, doesn't create enough chances and he doesn't start in every week...

All of a sudden 28 in 90 doesn't sound so bad now does it.

it does when you consider that Cole has scored 8 in 14 for city.

As with every point i make you've missed it.

City play to Cole's strengths, Cole starts most matches. Cole hasn't had injury problems as yet and hasn't played the same number of games.

Fowler has a 1 in 3 ratio at a team where he makes ALOT of sub appearances, isn't allowed to get into a rhythm and simply doesn't play to his strengths.

Fowler, as good as he is, needs to be played to his strengths to get the best out of him. Jamie Carragher, your "world class" centre back is nothing more than a good player with unreal determination and heart playing in a system that suits him perfectly next to players who compliment him perfectly.

If Fowler was in the same situation, he'd still be recognised as one of the best around. The fact is, at this moment he is still one of the best strikers in the country.

fella....if you honestly think Fowler is one of the best strikers in the country today, you've not only missed the point, you've lost the plot!

Provide a good arguement lad.

I'm waiting for it. I'll rip it to shreds and i'll come up with 2 reasons why you're wrong for every point you make. Go on smart , come up with one. Lets see who's lost the plot and who knos their football.

stu....there isn't an arugment for you to win....Fowler isn't even wanted by the likes of Norwich or Milwall!

That to me perfectly sums up your arguement.

Well i tell you what, when we signed Crouch we WERE and probably still are THE laughing stock of the country.

Everyone said how poor he was. I mean, Spurs didn't want him, Portsmouth didn't want him, Villa didn't want him, Southampton, what? He'd had half a decent season there and only got in the side once Beattie left?

Oh hang on... who's having the last laugh? How many people would go for him now if he was available? Where were all the experts at those times? Spurs are a better club than Norwich, as are Villa... So what happened?

Surely they should know right? Going by your methods?

Stu....you are missing the basic point. Crouch was WANTED BY SOUTHAMPTON!  They didn't want to sell him, thats the point!  Man City will GIVE FOWLER AWAY to who ever offers, and they can't even do that!

[115-1073096938]

you're talking utter tosh stu....you honestly trying to tell me that Robbie Fowler, a player who noone wants, a player whose on availble for transfer to anyone who wants, is one of the best players in the country!! 

Nigel Worthinton came out publicly and said they had been offered him.....they didn't want him because they weren't convinced of his desire to play anymore.  But hang on, if he's one of the best strikers in the country, it shouldn't matter what stregths teams play to....he should get goals like all 'great' strikers?  I find it hilarious that you think you know more than all the managers in the 2 top flights of the English league....i really do 

Again you repeat yourself.

You can say it as many times as you want, sit there and say Fowler's lost his touch. He is no longer a good finisher. He can no longer see the game the way he used to (he's lost vision), he no longer cares weather he scores, suceeds or anything else. Call him a liar, whatever floats ya boat lad.

Do us a favour though? Change the record, i've asked you to provide an arguement as to why you think he's past it, wouldn't score more goals in a better side, playing regularly and getting support and confidence and in a team that SUITS HIS STYLE OF PLAY.

Yet the best arguement that you can come up with is... Norwich don't want him so he must be . Is the sole point of your arguement, even that a few clubs don't want him so he must be poor? Is that all?

And no, not all great strikers score goals in any system. Look at Raul at Madrid, look at Fowler, look at Sutton when he went to Chelsea (previously a 20 goal a season striker), look at Crespo at Chelsea, look at any player in the world playing in a system that doesn't suit them? Tell me they are then playing as well as possible?

Your arguement is tosh, not mine.

[Lando_Griffin]

Kewell - you're talking b*llocks.


No one but Man U wanted Cantona.
Southampton didn't want Crouch, they wanted more money for him.

Norwich wouldn't be able to afford Fowler's wages. A goal return of 1 in 3 considering the problems he's had is astounding.
Equally astounding is your short-sightedness regarding a true legend.
You really should learn to read between the lines lad.

[7_Kewell]

you're talking utter tosh stu....you honestly trying to tell me that Robbie Fowler, a player who noone wants, a player whose on availble for transfer to anyone who wants, is one of the best players in the country!! 

Nigel Worthinton came out publicly and said they had been offered him.....they didn't want him because they weren't convinced of his desire to play anymore.  But hang on, if he's one of the best strikers in the country, it shouldn't matter what stregths teams play to....he should get goals like all 'great' strikers?  I find it hilarious that you think you know more than all the managers in the 2 top flights of the English league....i really do 

Again you repeat yourself.

You can say it as many times as you want, sit there and say Fowler's lost his touch. He is no longer a good finisher. He can no longer see the game the way he used to (he's lost vision), he no longer cares weather he scores, suceeds or anything else. Call him a liar, whatever floats ya boat lad.

Do us a favour though? Change the record, i've asked you to provide an arguement as to why you think he's past it, wouldn't score more goals in a better side, playing regularly and getting support and confidence and in a team that SUITS HIS STYLE OF PLAY.

Yet the best arguement that you can come up with is... Norwich don't want him so he must be . Is the sole point of your arguement, even that a few clubs don't want him so he must be poor? Is that all?

And no, not all great strikers score goals in any system. Look at Raul at Madrid, look at Fowler, look at Sutton when he went to Chelsea (previously a 20 goal a season striker), look at Crespo at Chelsea, look at any player in the world playing in a system that doesn't suit them? Tell me they are then playing as well as possible?

Your arguement is tosh, not mine.

Stu...i'm repeating the facts because you don't understand them.  It don't matter what style of play Fowler would suit, his pace/touch/desire have all but left him.  So he scored a hattrick against a league 2 side, so what?  In that league, he probably could cut it, but in the Premiership, and the Championship, he's not seen as a talent anymore.  You brush off the fact that Norwich/Millwall and god knows who else, have rejected him...yet seem unable to grasp the importance of this.  The reason noone wants him (including City) is because he's finished.  Yes, he'll have 1 or 2 games where  he'll relive some of the old magic, but he can't do it week in week out.  Come the Summer, why don't you become his agent, he'll need all the help he can get in finding a new club