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by **66-1112520797** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:32 pm

If we know jack about football ,why do you post on this site.

Is because your fellow supporters on your own forums are all glory hunting gloaters ?

You actually post here because we do know what we are talking about ,and you enjoy the discussion.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:36 pm

I don't mind Chelsea FOREVER BEING ON OUR SITE AS HE/SHE (YOU NEVER KNOW??) DOES MAKE GOOD POINTS.

NEXT YEARS TITLE RACE WILL BE HARDER FOR CHELSEA BUT EASIER FOR US AS IT ALWAYS HARDER TO RETAIN THE PREMIERSHIP WHEREAS WE HAVE IMPROVED OUR SQUAD.

ALL I CAN SAY IS BRING IT ON!!!!

by **Chelsea forever.** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:00 pm

Bamaga man wrote:If we know jack about football ,why do you post on this site.

Is because your fellow supporters on your own forums are all glory hunting gloaters ?

You actually post here because we do know what we are talking about ,and you enjoy the discussion.

If there was ever a discussion I would be able to tell you if i enjoyed it or not - 90% of the people here believe in talking shi.t and slaggin visiting fans off.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:51 pm

oh well if thats how you feel.

But football is tribal mate and you are from another tribe you cannot expect the red carpet treatment from us.Although most of the posts i have seen to you seem reasonable and polite.

by **RedWolf35** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:52 pm

maybe thats because we do not want some idiot on this site who is as arrogant as his manager, who cares if you win four trophies this year you will never ..... I REPEAT NEVER equal the win in Istanbul in 2005 which was acheived through a depleted team and the greatest comeback that will ever be witnessed in world football, you lot are simply not playing by the rules (Ashley Cole/Rio Ferdinand/Steve Gerrard) your arrogance is astonishing you think you can tap up any player you want and that rules do not apply to your scummy souless club I for one do not welcome you on here gloating about how much money you have and how you are going to win everything

I hope Abramovitch gets bored in a few years and your club folds thats how much people like you wind me up come back when you have won something without buying every decent player on the market loser :rasp

hail king rafa :buttrock

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:57 pm

RedWolf35 wrote:maybe thats because we do not want some idiot on this site who is as arrogant as his manager, who cares if you win four trophies this year you will never ..... I REPEAT NEVER equal the win in Istanbul in 2005 which was acheived through a depleted team and the greatest comeback that will ever be witnessed in world football, you lot are simply not playing by the rules (Ashley Cole/Rio Ferdinand/Steve Gerrard) your arrogance is astonishing you think you can tap up any player you want and that rules do not apply to your scummy souless club I for one do not welcome you on here gloating about how much money you have and how you are going to win everything

I hope Abramovitch gets bored in a few years and your club folds thats how much people like you wind me up come back when you have won something without buying every decent player on the market loser

hail king rafa

Like i said dont expect the red carpet to be rolled out

by **drummerphil** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:10 pm

our greatest days werent just the 80,s......chelsea forever .........the league title last year and the odd fa cup in recent times.......now really dosn't compare does it.Have a read through the list of honours and you might see the point we are making.

League Champions 18
1900-01 1905-06 1921-22 1922-23 1946-47
1963-64 1965-66 1972-73 1975-76 1976-77
1978-79 1979-80 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84
1985-86 1987-88 1989-90

Division Two Winners 4
1893-94 1895-96 1904-05 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners 6
1964-65 1973-74 1985-86 1988-89 1991-92
2000-2001

League Cup Winners 7
1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1994-95
2000-01 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners 14
1964* 1965* 1966 1974 1976
1977* 1979 1980 1982 1986*
1988 1989 1990* 2001 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners 2
1977 2001

Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy 3
1997-98 1998-99 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners 16
1956-57 1968-69 1969-70 1970-71 1972-73
1973-74 1974-75 1975-76 1976-77 1978-79
1980-81 1981-82 1983-84 1984-85 1989-90
1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners 1
1995-96

by **RedWolf35** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:46 pm

drummer phil :bowdown

that must have taken you ages :laugh:

but so worth it

chelsea forever please list yours

by **akumaface** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:02 pm

drummerphil wrote:our greatest days werent just the 80,s......chelsea forever .........the league title last year and the odd fa cup in recent times.......now really dosn't compare does it.Have a read through the list of honours and you might see the point we are making.

League Champions 18
1900-01 1905-06 1921-22 1922-23 1946-47
1963-64 1965-66 1972-73 1975-76 1976-77
1978-79 1979-80 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84
1985-86 1987-88 1989-90

Division Two Winners 4
1893-94 1895-96 1904-05 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners 6
1964-65 1973-74 1985-86 1988-89 1991-92
2000-2001

League Cup Winners 7
1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1994-95
2000-01 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners 14
1964* 1965* 1966 1974 1976
1977* 1979 1980 1982 1986*
1988 1989 1990* 2001 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners 2
1977 2001

Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy 3
1997-98 1998-99 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners 16
1956-57 1968-69 1969-70 1970-71 1972-73
1973-74 1974-75 1975-76 1976-77 1978-79
1980-81 1981-82 1983-84 1984-85 1989-90
1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners 1
1995-96

This is what I called tradition and fact. I think Chelsea Forever had been polite and provided with some reasonable statement but come on, Chelski bought success with unlimited amount of money but you wouldn't admit it. Even if you have the money, why Moreen had to act like a jerk. He could simply show some class and I'm sure people would give more respect to him that way. Anyway, this year is gonna be a tighter race and couldn't wait for the season to start.

by **LFC #1** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:16 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:And if this so called Gangster had bought Liverpool - im sure you would not be complaining.

I would actually.

Most fans were up in arms when Thaksin Shinawatra was linked with investing in the club, a man with an allegedly terrible human rights record.

Liverpool is a club that tends to keep it's traditions, unlike clubs like Manure who got rid of the name football club, and were known as Manchester PLC. Becoming a Public Liability comany allowed the Glazer dela to come to fruition, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Let's take Chelsea. Abramovich's Billions may have allowed your club to hit the top of English football (not europe I might add), however you have lost a hell of a lot of respect in the process. A talented, but arrogant manager, illegal meetings with transfer targets (or 'tapping up'), supposed kidnappings of players, the whole Anders Frisk situation, the list goes on and on.

How long will it be before Chelsea faces their own Glazer-esque problem when Abramovich decides to leave? Or perhaps is arrested or something similar. The man is a criminal, and his business partner in Russia is now in jail.

If you want a man like in that in charge of your club, then fine, you may win a lot of trophies but you will not ever have the same amount of respect that the great Liverpool sides of the 60's, 70's and 80's under great leaders such as Shankly, Paisley and Fagan.

'You reap what you sow', and hopefully this decision by Chlesea to bring in Abramovich for short-term success will falter, and Chelsea will go back to being the mediocre side they have been for much of the last 50 years.

by **A.B.** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:22 pm

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The bigger they are the harder they fall.

by **RedWolf35** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:22 pm

LFC1 an excellent post :bowdown

by **Red_Rob** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:38 pm

The only person involved in football I despise more than Jose Mourinho is Peter Kenyon....

by **Chelsea forever.** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:02 am

LFC #1 wrote:
Chelsea forever. wrote:And if this so called Gangster had bought Liverpool - im sure you would not be complaining.

I would actually.

Most fans were up in arms when Thaksin Shinawatra was linked with investing in the club, a man with an allegedly terrible human rights record.

Liverpool is a club that tends to keep it's traditions, unlike clubs like Manure who got rid of the name football club, and were known as Manchester PLC. Becoming a Public Liability comany allowed the Glazer dela to come to fruition, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Let's take Chelsea. Abramovich's Billions may have allowed your club to hit the top of English football (not europe I might add), however you have lost a hell of a lot of respect in the process. A talented, but arrogant manager, illegal meetings with transfer targets (or 'tapping up'), supposed kidnappings of players, the whole Anders Frisk situation, the list goes on and on.

How long will it be before Chelsea faces their own Glazer-esque problem when Abramovich decides to leave? Or perhaps is arrested or something similar. The man is a criminal, and his business partner in Russia is now in jail.

If you want a man like in that in charge of your club, then fine, you may win a lot of trophies but you will not ever have the same amount of respect that the great Liverpool sides of the 60's, 70's and 80's under great leaders such as Shankly, Paisley and Fagan.

'You reap what you sow', and hopefully this decision by Chlesea to bring in Abramovich for short-term success will falter, and Chelsea will go back to being the mediocre side they have been for much of the last 50 years.

In 89 we were promoted to the top division. From then on in we finished roughly 11th most seasons, sometimes 16th, but no great shakes. A cup final in 94 was the culmination of a season that saw us bottom of the league at Xmas. In 96 we reached the FA Cup semi, where a series of bad decisions left us short at the back and we lost to Manyoo. Hoddle left, Ruud took over, the revolution took wings and we won the cup for the first time in 27 years. The following season, under Ruud and then Vialli, we won the League Cup and the Cup Winners Cup. We followed that up with a 3rd place finish, equalling our best ever, and entered the Champions League for the 1st time in our history. Again we won the FA cup in 2000, and reached a final in 2002 under our new manager Ranieri. Top six finishes were now the least we could expect. Under Ranieri we finally reached 4th - the promised land!

Enter Roman - a 2nd place finish and a CL semi, followed by the EPL title, the League cup and another CL semi.

I see a natural progression in that potted history, accelerated by Romans money granted, but still a club that was always going forward, or trying to.

Do I feel guilty about us winning the title after spending x amount of pounds? Not a bit of it!

Last season we had a squad of 24 players (roughly). Parker was injured most of the season, Robben for two thirds of it, Drogba for a third, Bridgey for half. Duff missed the beginning and the end, Huth a fair bit. We had a nucleus of about 15 players throught the season:

Cech
Ferreira
Gallas
Terry
Carvalho
Makelele
Lampard
Tiago
Jarosik
Cole
Gudjohnsen
Robben
Duff
Drogba
Kezman

...with contributions from the likes of Johnson, Smertin Carlo and Geremi. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone worries about how much they cost. They all looked up to JT and Lamps as the standard bearers of the club, fought for every ball and every point. To so dispassionately say that we bought the title is extremely short-sighted. I don't check the players bank balances or how much they cost - I look to see if they are giving 100% for the shirt, and they all did, the whole f**king season!

If a player isnt performing, I cant say oh he only cost us 1M and was bought from a 3rd division club so its ok, or , man we spent 24M on this striker and look at his woeful performances - bottom line is if he is a Chelsea player he better be giving each game his all - as it is for all clubs.

No one can tell me it's tainted because we spent a few quid on players fees and wages - it's the way of the world, chaps! When I watch Frankie round the Bolton keeper for the 2nd and clinching goal last April 30th, I don't see a £10m price tag dangling from his shorts. I see a great player who has improved under Ranieri and now Mourinho.

I also see several very happy CHELSEA players dive on top of him, celebrating the title clincher - none of them are concerned with money. They all worked their nuts off to win it and deserved to.

No one can stuff money down a players throat and make it act as fuel so his engine runs on full and he gives each game 100% and has a superb season. Its the players desire to perform, the desire to succeed, the desire to win things and play as a team and follow the tactical planning of the manager that counts, not the money paid for his arrival.

by **Chelsea forever.** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:24 am

PS -

Liverpool - Houllier spent around 130M on players like biscan and Diof and sent out homegrown players like Murphy and still didnt win anything!

Just goes to show you cannot buy titles.

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