Liverpool FC Forum

[LFC #1]

I agree with you, on a footballing standpoint Chelsea are top class, and not many of your players could be described as mercenaries as such.

However you miss my major point regarding why I personally disrespect Chelsea so much. It's not because of them buying the league or any of that, it's the behind the scenes actions of men like Kenyon and Abramovich running Chelsea in a way that a top football club shouldn't be run. I have already mentioned the many indiscretions that Chelsea has made, and no matter how good a football side they may be these things can't be overlooked.

Respect is earned, and for me, although Chelsea may be earning respect on the pitch, they are certainly not off it, and that my friend is the major difference between CFC and LFC

[bigmick]

It's a good post Chels' with some intersting points. The topic title though is about Mourhinho and whether or not he is arrogant and out of order in casting aspersions over another clubs ability to match future silverware. I've done the Chelsea debate to death, hopefully in a sensible and reasonable manner. You yourself contribute well to the debate on here and your comments on Liverpool from a different perspective are interesting.
Some things as fans we refuse to accept however, regardless of how obvious they may be. Not all Liverpool fans would accept for example that the Champions League campaign last season was steeped in destiny. At every turn it seemed a twist of fate was waiting to fall in our favour. Some Liverpool fans will tell you that we were the best team in tournament. Not me though. Similarly, some Chelsea fans will tell you that the way they have behaved over the last 12 months is not absolutely reprehensible. It continues given Kenyons crass remarks about the Premiership winners "coming from a select group of one". He was well taught. He honed his disgraceful behaviour at Manure, where lack of class is worn like a cub-scout badge.
I have already stated that I think Chelsea will certainly win the title next season and that thus far, the financial clout they have displayed has been overplayed by some. From here on though, it is starting to get a little ridiculous. They would do well to remember however that it is possible to win with class and honour, to respect your opponent. Chelsea are in danger of becoming the Naseem Hamed's of football, sneering with distain over a stricken opponent. They would do well to remember what happened to him.
Now if it's ok with you Chels', the next time I'm going to debate your lot I'll visit celery.co.uk or whatever the sites called.

[Chelsea forever.]

Sure I agree we made a few mistakes in the transfer market. But let me point out ALL CLUBS do it, MANu have done it, Arsenal have been accused of tappin up Baptista, Liverpool have done it and all other clubs do it -- its only because its Chelsea that the Media has blown everything out of proportion.

The only mistake we made was agreeing to meet Cole - a meeting that he asked for.
Rio was all .

And as for Roman, he isnt just some oil merchant sitting in Russia and making money off us. He has passion for the game, he has always loved football, he is present at all the Chelsea games, he travels with the team, he talks to the players,he often visits traning, he discusses things with Jose, he learns about the game from Jose - so you can see he is very active in the club and is there for its betterment

Chelsea Forever

[Chelsea forever.]

BigMik -

I agree Kenyon has made a few errors, but life is all about learning and you learn with each mistake you make.

[LFC #1]

Yes but it's not just that. Their are the more seriosu issues of Anders Frisk and the supposed kidnapping of a Nigerian teenager (even if this is untue a football club shoudln't even be in a situation where they are accused of it).

The Anders Frisk situation was an utter disgrace. For a good referee to be subject to that and be forced to retire from the game is absolutely not on. The death threats he received were very specific, the people knew waht his family were up to and everything. To me that doesn't seem like a death threat from a disgruntled fan, it seems more organised, and who's to say it wasn't a few of Abramovich's cronies?   

This sort of behaviour shouldn't be going on at a top level football club.

[Chelsea forever.]

Yes but it's not just that. Their are the more seriosu issues of Anders Frisk and the supposed kidnapping of a Nigerian teenager (even if this is untue a football club shoudln't even be in a situation where they are accused of it).

The Anders Frisk situation was an utter disgrace. For a good referee to be subject to that and be forced to retire from the game is absolutely not on. The death threats he received were very specific, the people knew waht his family were up to and everything. To me that doesn't seem like a death threat from a disgruntled fan, it seems more organised, and who's to say it wasn't a few of Abramovich's cronies?   

This sort of behaviour shouldn't be going on at a top level football club.

Cammon man I expected better reasoning from you.

Let me tell you how the Frisk saga unfolded.

At half time Rijkaard was sported following frisk and talking to him and walking away from the ref's room.

This aggravated Jose - it would have aggravated any opposing manager.

Drogba got 2 undeserved yellow cards, even the commentator (Andy Gray and Martyin Tylor) said Frisk didn’t need to show 2 yellows resulting in an undeserved red. HE was sent of in i think the 67th or 70th min.

Up until that time in the match we had total control. It looked virtually impossible for the flamboyant attacking Barca side to score. However once Drogba was off they managed netting 2 goals.

This obviously added fuel to the fire. Jose refused to go to the press as he wanted to make an official complaint - which we did.

Frisk received death threats - like you say it could have been Chelsea fans, could have been organized by Roman - but I can say what if it were a bunch of fans from another club. Lets say for example from Liverpool, and that they knew the media would blow this up and put the blame on Chelsea fans so they made the threats .. smoked some weed .. watched the news and sat there laughing ---- what do you have to say to that?

Anyway - after the whole deal was done, Frisk come out and admitted that Rijkaard approached him at half time and started talking to him but he asked him to go away as it was against the rules -

Now - if the REf is saying that Rijkaard did actually approach him - and thus broke the rules - then why was no action taken against him? Simple .. because he coaches Barca and not Chelsea.

A story is never one sided.

[LFC #1]

Frisk received death threats - like you say it could have been Chelsea fans, could have been organized by Roman - but I can say what if it were a bunch of fans from another club. Lets say for example from Liverpool, and that they knew the media would blow this up and put the blame on Chelsea fans so they made the threats .. smoked some weed .. watched the news and sat there laughing ---- what do you have to say to that?

Good points except this one.

As I said in my earlier post, it was the preciseness of the threats which scared Frisk off. If it had been an opposition fan they wouldn't have bothered going to all that trouble. Players get death threats all the time but it doesn't force them to retire, as usually they are an empty threat by some saddo having a laugh.

The threats Frisk received were very detailed and it was clear that someone was watching his family as the information in the threats were precise. This is why I think it may have been organised by Roman, as I can't see some angry Chelsea fan having that sort of information and the desire to go to such extreme lengths.

[akumaface]

GH spent 130 million but over a much longer period of time but Chelsea spent 200million in 2 seconds. It just doesn't seems to end there. And whether the amount of fees spent is reasonable or not, you have to look at the norms of other team. I think for the top club in EPL like Arsenal, ManU or us, usually they spent around 30 to 40 million pounds at best. But by far, Chelsea just blown away all of us combined and do  you agree it is only normal for a reasonable fan to think that Chelsea is buying their success? I know you hate to admit it but you somehow admitted it from your post. Have you thought of why Chelsea is having such a bad rap and why most people associate CFC with Money?

[babu]

Chelsea Forever what is your opinion on the comments made by Mourinho ? I looked through this thread but did not find a post where you expressed an opinion on the comments

are you happy he made them?

a little dissappointed but don't mind these sort of comments?

wished he didn't make because it sounds like sour grapes makes the club look bad?

and how about his arrogance as a whole? do you like his attitude and the way he carries himself? because apart from what happens on the pitch he is the face of CFC. I agree with almost everyone on this forum when we say is probably on of the best managers in england at the moment, but honestly wouldn't you prefer if he shut his trap at times?

[Chelsea forever.]

LFC#1 - How do you know the threats were so precise? What information do you have? Just because they are precise doesnt mean they were from Roman. There can be organized crime members from afghanistan who are Chelsea fans?!!?

akumaface - GH spent around 130-140M over a period of time and did not win anything. Chelsea spent around 200M in 2 years and won the Carling Cup, English league and semifinalists in the CL last 2 years + a squad which has potential to win the leage again this season and possibly the CL + a squad strong enough to challange for titles for many years to come ---------------- now you tell me whats wise? To spend 150M over a period of time and never win anything and left with a squad not capable .. or to spend 150M in 2 years, actually become champions of England and have a squad capable of challanging for titles for years to come?

Babu - I adore Jose. I think he is just fantastic. I like the way he talks to the Media, I like the way he says he is confident - because there is nothing wrong with that. About the comments on Gerrard having made a mistake by not joining Chelsea - Thats just his opinion on Gerrards decission, RAFA would have said "I am glad Gerrard has stayed as its a wise decission to stay with Liverpool because he will win a lot with us" - So its just down to indivudiality and if Jose thinks it was a bad move then he is just voicing his opinion.

[Chelsea forever.]

PS - Babu

All Jose is saying is that in his opinion Chelsea will win more trophies than Liverpool in the next 10 years. And he feels Gerrard made a mistake by not switching.

So whats wrong with that? Ok he might not have had to say it, but im sure a reporter asked him what his views were on Gerrards decission to stay and he simply answerd.

Fergie said last season during the christmas period (if i remember correctly) that in his opinion Chelsea would drop points rapidly and that Manu would be No.1 -- he was just voicing what he felt, he was wrong and its possible that Jose can be wrong too.

[stmichael]

the latest comments by kenyon are why chelsea are becoming the most hated team in football.

"the champions this year will come from a small group of 1. chelsea"

how arrogant is that?

the chief executive's of football clubs have no right saying things like that. they should be left to the players and the manager. do you ever hear rick parry, david dein, david gill coming out and bleating about how their clubs are going to win everything under the sun?

[LFC #1]

Kenyon has no dignity though st mick. He didn't at Manure and he certainly doesn't or ever will have any at Chelsea.

[Chelsea forever.]

Peter Kenyon .. hahahah

You gotta love the fella!

But I agree ... he has no right to say such things ... very unsporting behaviour!

[Chelsea forever.]

PS -

However, If Gary Nevil can come out and say "Manu can and will go unbeaten this coming season"

Then surely anyone can say anything .......