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Postby 76-1115222408 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:24 am

Ok this is my take on each players performance out of 10, feel free to add your own rankings or to disagree with me!

REINA
Not much to do at all, one bread and butter save and thats it, was quick with keeping the ball moving as apposed to the way Jerzy would not take the easy option and end up taking long and sending it long to the strikers. Reina just sent it to the fullbacks and off we went again. Footwork (i think JBG mentioned this) was good and very assured.
6/10

HYPPIA
Not much to do at all, hardly touched the ball, really cant remember him having to stretch his legs at all. Few standard headers from goalkeepers kicks and thats it really.
6/10

CARRAGHER
Much the same as Sami, but had a few gallops upfield and produced a quality step over dummy and run to the byline and could have set up a goal. Even in these 'smaller' games, still has the same die hard attitude and will to win, did anyone see the way he reacted when Moro put the ball over the bar after chesting down a SG pass in the six yard box, his arms were in the air just like the fans. True Scouser.
7/10

FINNAN
Good solid game as usual, got forward well and had a few decent strikes at goal (without REALLY troubling!). Not much to deal with on the defensive side, but what he did have to do was done with efficiency, keeping it nice and easy.
7/10

WARNOCK
Good for him to get a run out, will have done his confidence the world of good. Strong in the tackle and good defensively, but TBH I would have liked to have seen a bit more from him in an attacking sense, he has a decent cross, and so should try and overlap and try and utilise this. Otherwise a good and sturdy performance.
7/10 (being a bit generous I think, was thinking more six?!?!?)

POTTER
Was decent enough but then again it was TNS! He should have really used this oppurtunity to REALLY impress Rafa, but didnt really do it, did produce a couple of quality crosses, but there wasnt any dribbling past players or anything really creative. All in all, as i said decent but somewhat disappointing, will only be used as a fringe squad member at best, when we get down to the nitty gritty.
6/10

RIISE
Good first half, saw plenty of the ball and had a few oppurtunities to score but choose to pass instead. I enjoy watching Riise play, but he just doesnt have enough craft (tricks) to beat his man, kick and run will work against TNS, but better fullbacks will stop this after the first couple of attempts. We all KNOW he is decent in the left mid position and is always good for a goal, but I think LB would be better, who more to the point a wingback in a 3-5-2 would be pefect for him (just a thought!).
Was assured when moved to LB, but failed to get forward much like Warnock before he was subbed. (Maybe these were Rafas instructions as they both failed to go forward to often).
7/10

GERRARD
HAT TRICK!!!  And that was done but just playing in fits nad starts, what can he do on full pelt for 90mins....Please show us. Hopefully his head really is clearing and he is looking to the future as a true red, not like last year when he was still having thoughts about the end of the season.
Top Notch.
10/10

ALONSO
Consumate performance from our passing King. Kept the ball moving well and used his great vision as always with BOTH feet. Got stuck into a good few 50-50's, which is always good to see, shows he is FULLY committed in my opinion. Slowed up as the game wore on. Great pass zipped into Le Tallec on the edge of the box, if that was a top class striker or if Le Tallecs first touch was better (on that occasion) would have been a one on one with the keepers, and i personally would have expected a goal.
7/10

LE TALLEC
Hmmm, funny one this one. Le Tallec (IMO) definetly has the abilty, i can really see it screaming to get out, he has a good first touch, good passer and has decent pace too. But he somehow flatters to deceive, he just does enough, but not much more. Maybe this is because he doesnt want to make mistakes (which is fair enough), but i think he should really try and let his ability flourish and play his natural game, which i think is a very creative one with intelligence.
He must show this in training, otherwise he would not have played against Juve (i know we had injuries but still!) and nor would he have played today (IMO). If he doesnt come out of his shell, his career is gonna stall (as has begun a bit already). Could end up a bit like Potter and be just bit a fringe squad player. If he fails to impress or rather fulfill his potential this could be his last season at Anfield. However i have taken into acoount the hard work he puts in and runs he made to open gaps for Mori and the Midfielders too when giving him his score.
7/10

MORIENTES
On the whole very disappointing, had two CLEAR CUT chances, the scuffed shot in the first half and the header in the second, both should have been tucked away neatly. As many have said he still doesnt look that sharp and he has had the time now!!
However you could still see flashes of his abilty, which still has me hoping he will finally come good. He definetly needs to man up, and get a bit stronger as he is getting brushed off the ball far too easily. Good passing though and cant really remember him giving away possesion when he was on the ball (in terms of passing, not being tackled that is).
5/10

ZENDEN
Did well, injected a bit of pace into the game as it was beginning to stall, gave good width and supplied a good few crosses (one of which nando should have scored). Hope this is how we are gonna see him being played - OUT WIDE. He has a FEW tricks and can beat a man and get to the byline, and so far his final ball is looking good. He is up to the pace of the Prem and seems to get stuck in too. have to say in all in all, a short run out, but was pleasantly impressed....FREE, that makes so much better  :)
8/10

CISSE
Short run out for Djib, would have liked to seen him replace Le Tallec and play up front, but i think the game was quite bunched up through the middle and centre and he would have found it hard to get enough space to run into, as TNS were playing (or trying!!) a high line. I think you need wingers in the game to stretch the play and create gaps for Cisse to run into and utilise his pace.
So it is ironic that he comes on as a WINGER!! He showed tremendous pace and injected a further spark to the play after that added by Zenden. Caused trouble, beat his man with no problem,got a few crosses in, won a few corners and free kicks too!!  You can see he is itching to do what he did at Auxerre for us, i really think he wants to become a legend here. But is Rafa convinced??
I think the way we play at the moment is not best suited to Cisse, and TBH I dont really want him to play out wide, but at the same time, if HE isnt bothered by it and doesnt moan and is completely fine playing there, then its ok as he does add a new dimension, but i think it would only work from the subs bench and not from the start of a game. He is still very raw and not as 'classy' (yet!) as Henry for example, but we have a diamond and just need to cut it right.
I think Cisse's  season is gonna be one to watch, for various reasons!!!
7/10

I would have liked to have seen more goals, but was pleased with the way we kept possesion and as the game went on there was a lot of one touch passing going on and it was looking good, but then again it was TNS.
As long as we can get through the three qualifiers without any serious injuries i will be happy, as we have got a head start on the rest and hopefully in four weeks or so from now the team will begin to play better as it really seems like the season has begun.
Remember it must still be weird for them to be playing already, their children will still be at school/nursery.

I am just happy footy is back on, as it was getting too boring. Just to add aswell looks as though Baros and Dudek are on their way, hopefully that will add to the coffers and we can continue to add to the squad before the deadline closes.

The only negative I can think of, is that OTHER people might just see this as the Steven Gerrard show, and start with the 'one man team' business.
The strikers have to buck up their ideas and start contributing PROPERLY.....We have to give Cisse a sustained run in the team and then he will hopefully flourish, however it looks like Morientes is gonna be a firm fixture this season.

Roll on the the rst of the season.

YNWA
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Postby skipper » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:39 am

The defenders are pretty hard to rate because they didnt really face any challenges.  Gerrard definitely gets a 10.  I would give cisse and zenden both 8's because they performed quite well on the wing.
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Postby captainduck » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:42 am

great post man. i agree with you completely through.

gerrard is the man! i've always been behind him through hot and cold. thats OUR CAPTAIN!!
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Postby 76-1115222408 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:48 am

Wont lie (as many probaly will) i havent backed him 'hot or cold' and TBH he p.issed me off with his poor attitude and 'me, me, me' antics last season.
But no arguments, he showed us tinight what we would have missed had he left, and I just hope it continues for the rest of this season, and the rest of his contract. The others just have to pull their weight and we COULD do really well(in the league that is, not like we aint Champions Of Europe now, lets not forget).
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Postby skipper » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:54 am

Gerrard at his best like in the first leg and the rest of the team performing their roles brilliantly.  If that can happen consistently...

Chelsea better watch out.  I think we have a very promising future unlike teams like man u.  Rafa has to win some hardware every year and I have a feeling it wont stop at the supercup.
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Postby H_K_LFC » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:07 pm

Gd post.Agree with all the ratings.
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Postby Spionian » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:20 pm

LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:ALONSO
Consumate performance from our passing King. Kept the ball moving well and used his great vision as always with BOTH feet. Got stuck into a good few 50-50's, which is always good to see, shows he is FULLY committed in my opinion. Slowed up as the game wore on. Great pass zipped into Le Tallec on the edge of the box, if that was a top class striker or if Le Tallecs first touch was better (on that occasion) would have been a one on one with the keepers, and i personally would have expected a goal.
7/10

Did you actually go to the game??

If you did I think that a visit to the opticians may be needed.

For those of you that were present yesterday evening you will have witnessed (as the echo stated) another Xavi Alonso masterclass. The guy was at the hub of everything for LFC. He made the midfield tick and must have touched the ball on as many occasions as the rest of the midfield put together.
You can count on one hand the number of times he gave away posession. I can't believe that we managed to get him.

Morientes a 5?? Granted he missed a couple but the work he did with his back to goal (bringing  the midfield into play) was synomonous with the Nando we expected to get. He will NOT score 30 a season and he will NOT sit on the shoulder of the last defender, that is not in his game. His touch is top notch and if he had capped his performance with a goal then people would be talking very differently today.
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Postby MilitiaRusher » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:32 pm

I think Gerrard should smile more on the pitch though.
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Postby 76-1115222408 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:40 pm

Spionian wrote:
LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:ALONSO
Consumate performance from our passing King. Kept the ball moving well and used his great vision as always with BOTH feet. Got stuck into a good few 50-50's, which is always good to see, shows he is FULLY committed in my opinion. Slowed up as the game wore on. Great pass zipped into Le Tallec on the edge of the box, if that was a top class striker or if Le Tallecs first touch was better (on that occasion) would have been a one on one with the keepers, and i personally would have expected a goal.
7/10

Did you actually go to the game??

If you did I think that a visit to the opticians may be needed.

For those of you that were present yesterday evening you will have witnessed (as the echo stated) another Xavi Alonso masterclass. The guy was at the hub of everything for LFC. He made the midfield tick and must have touched the ball on as many occasions as the rest of the midfield put together.
You can count on one hand the number of times he gave away posession. I can't believe that we managed to get him.

Morientes a 5?? Granted he missed a couple but the work he did with his back to goal (bringing  the midfield into play) was synomonous with the Nando we expected to get. He will NOT score 30 a season and he will NOT sit on the shoulder of the last defender, that is not in his game. His touch is top notch and if he had capped his performance with a goal then people would be talking very differently today.

I think  you need to go to the opticians mate, Where did i say that Alonso did not play well?
We were playing TNS FFS, if you feel he played world class then you are a joker. Go and look the word consummate up in the dictionary, if you cant be bothered here is the definition for ya:

'complete. (adj) showing great SKILL and FLAIR'

So i dont know what you are talking about mate. To be honest i have seen Alonso play BETTER and i am sure you have too, so it was a standard Xabi performance for me, which is still top class, but he has so mch ability that we DIDNT see used yesterday, he just did enough to tick the game over neatly.

I knew some would disagree with Mori and was gonna change it to a 6, but i based my score on the following:
-His lack of sharpness
-Missed some clear cut oppurtunities
-He is a WORLD CLASS player and therefore has set himself some extremely high standards and he was nowhere near these last night.

As i said in my original post, HE DID show glimpses of his ability and touch, but he needs to get better in my opinion and quick, because as i said he looks like he will be a firm fixture this season, so he has to start scoring the clear cut chances (as he should) and creating too!
You say he did well with his back to goal, well personally he did OK, but lost it too EASILY (not often, EASILY) when challedged, remember he WAS NOT playing against top defenders was he!!

BTW just because the ECHO said it that means it is law does it??
Have your own opinion and dont qoute from the paper.
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Postby laza » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:44 pm

Excellent stuff,
Its always good to read well constructed OPINIONs of players performances after a game
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Postby 76-1115222408 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:46 pm

laza wrote:Excellent stuff,
Its always good to read well constructed OPINIONs of players performances after a game

Well thank-you Mr Lazy, oh sorry Laza   :D
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Postby JBG » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:47 pm

laza wrote:Excellent stuff,
Its always good to read well constructed OPINIONs of players performances after a game

Yes, more of the same.

Serial thread starters take note please.
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Postby Judge » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:51 pm

even though Reina didnt have much to do, i thought his excellent punching skills were evident, when Riise took one in the head. good punch of the ball away from danger
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Postby Spionian » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:58 pm

LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
Spionian wrote:
LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:ALONSO
Consumate performance from our passing King. Kept the ball moving well and used his great vision as always with BOTH feet. Got stuck into a good few 50-50's, which is always good to see, shows he is FULLY committed in my opinion. Slowed up as the game wore on. Great pass zipped into Le Tallec on the edge of the box, if that was a top class striker or if Le Tallecs first touch was better (on that occasion) would have been a one on one with the keepers, and i personally would have expected a goal.
7/10

Did you actually go to the game??

If you did I think that a visit to the opticians may be needed.

For those of you that were present yesterday evening you will have witnessed (as the echo stated) another Xavi Alonso masterclass. The guy was at the hub of everything for LFC. He made the midfield tick and must have touched the ball on as many occasions as the rest of the midfield put together.
You can count on one hand the number of times he gave away posession. I can't believe that we managed to get him.

Morientes a 5?? Granted he missed a couple but the work he did with his back to goal (bringing  the midfield into play) was synomonous with the Nando we expected to get. He will NOT score 30 a season and he will NOT sit on the shoulder of the last defender, that is not in his game. His touch is top notch and if he had capped his performance with a goal then people would be talking very differently today.

I think you need to go to the opticians mate, Where did i say that Alonso did not play well?
We were playing TNS FFS, if you feel he played world class then you are a joker. Go and look the word consummate up in the dictionary if you cant be bothered here is the definition for ya:

'complete. (adj) showing great SKILL and FLAIR'

So i dont know what you are talking about mate. To be honest i have seen Alonso play BETTER and i am sure you have too, so it was a standard Xabi performance for me, which is still top class, but he has so mch ability that we DIDNT see used yesterday, he just did enough to tick the game over neatly.

I knew some would disagree with Mori and was gonna change it to a 6, but i based my score on the following:
-His lack of sharpness
-Missed some clear cut oppurtunities
-He is a WORLD CLASS player and therefore has set himself some extremely high standards and he was nowhere near these last night.

As i said in my original post, HE DID show glimpses of his ability and touch, but he needs to get better in my opinion and quick, because as i said he looks like he will be a firm fixture this season, so he has to start scoring the clear cut chances (as he should) and creating too!
You say he did well with his back to goal, well personally he did OK, but lost it too EASILY (not often, EASILY) when challedged, remember he WAS NOT playing against top defenders was he!!

BTW just because the ECHO said it that means it is law does it??
Have your own opinion and dont qoute from the paper.

Evidently by avoiding to answer the initial question, you witnessed the event on ITV2 (such was the demand for tickets)

Though even the rose tinted spectacles of viewing on the television surely can not have hidden the fact that Alonso in comparison to monsieur Le Tallec put in a better performance. Ok granted that Xavi has had better games for the club and taken into consideration that it was not the highest calibre of opposition but you were the one who stuck your neck on the line and posted the ratings. It's a "discussion" forum FFS.

Just because Alonso in top gear would rate higher than Le Tallec at his best does not mean that you can justify in giving them the equivalent rating, surely. As clearly stated (in my original post) like the ECHO article I agreed that Alonso was of a different calibre to the others on the field. The word like I shall now quote from the dictionary

a. resembling, similar

perhaps you may have misread and missed this word from the post??
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Postby 76-1115222408 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:20 pm

NO i wasnt at the game, to clear that up firstly.

I hear what you say, but i judge each players score individually, and therefore the criteria that i use for Le Tallec, would be in a whole different class to that i use for Xabi.
Put it like this, Le Tallec did more for me (under his criteria) than Morientes did (under his criteria) and they both played as the forwards, hence the difference in score.
Personally you cannot (IMVHO) compare two players playing in DIFFERENT positions of the pitch. So when you compare Xabi and SG (who scored a Hat trick) for me it is fair that Xabi has a seven. I was going to give him an eight, but decided against because this is the type of performance i EXPECT from Mr.Alonso, and so for me was nothing out of the ordinary.
If people are still raving about him like he is a 'new' player, then its time you get used to these type of CLASS performances because this is what we will see just about every week from him, so as i say, it wasnt a spectacular performance, just a standard Xabi performance (that is better than most Mids in the country anyway).

If you and the 'echo' are raving about him now, be prepared to do so for the rest of the season, other members may well be aware that I BELIEVE that Xabi will BE THE KEY for us this season, as he is the one that sets the pace of the game, he can slow or quicken the game at will.  So dont take the '7/10' as a slant against Xabi at all, just that I am used to this type of performance already, he didnt just start playing like this for LFC you know, he was doing it at Real Sociedad for two seasons previous to his move, so as i say, its NOTHING NEW to me!!!!
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