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by **woof woof !** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:43 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:30 pm wrote: I see Draxler to PSG has been confirmed. If the lad prefers to sign for a club that plays the role of flat track bully in a one team league then he probably hasn't got the right mentality to play for us anyway.

Yeah, saw Kloppo talking about only wanting players that wanted to be here, i.e. if it's (only ?) money they're after they should look elsewhere. Whilst I agree with the sentiment it's a bit of a concern that we're apparently not prepared to compete for those at the top end of the wage scale.

Having said that, some of the demands made by players today are just f*cking insulting, e.g there's two fella's down at Arsenal who are asking for circa £250,000 a week! Also read that a Chinese club is rumoured to be offering Wayne Rooney a massive £700.000 a week to come and play there !!!!

Footy has gone absolutely nuts

by **redshade** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:10 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:30 pm wrote:Litmanen was still a good player but didn't really fit in with Houlliers direct style.
In other news I see Draxler to PSG has been confirmed. If the lad prefers to sign for a club that plays the role of flat track bully in a one team league then he probably hasn't got the right mentality to play for us anyway.

Alex Texiera another. It's all about money these days.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:59 pm

It's just pure greed though, if you are a top player and sign for Liverpool by the time that said contract ends you will have earned tens of millions of pounds. Any job that pays you tens of millions within the space of 3 or 4 years is an incredible job, why can't they just be happy with that? I mean, just how much money do these players want? Or need?

by **Doeboy** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:02 pm

Footballers have relatively short careers. Also one bad injury can either end your career or never let you be the same player again and your stock will drop. With that in mind, they will follow the money. Football is a very fickle business and it's just the nature of the game now.

Don't really blame footballers for following the money. We are not talking a little difference between what we pay and the likes of PSG and the chinese clubs pay. It's considerable and to be honest, end of the day likes of Draxler, Alex Teixeira have no affinity to LFC so can understand their decisions. Anyway, those clubs would outbid us in terms of transfer fees anyway

by **johnbarnes** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:13 pm

Money is god between footballer and football clubs!
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RE; Van Dijk
I think we've got the best chance of any club to sign him this January. If he stays at St. Mary's until the summer then he'll go to $hitie.
January is notoriously a difficult period for clubs.
There is no way (unless their stupid) that Southampton are gonna let one of their top players leave in January without being able to get adequate replacement...
Step on up Mamadou Sakho!
LFC are in the rare position of having a world class defender on its books that it no longer considers to be useful.
Southampton may well do business with us knowing that Sakho can be a part of the deal.
This should mean that with both player and cash we can meet or even supersede any bid that $hitie are likely to put on the table...
But does Klopp want Van Dijk that bad?
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Watch this space.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:00 pm

Doeboy » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:02 pm wrote:Footballers have relatively short careers. Also one bad injury can either end your career or never let you be the same player again and your stock will drop. With that in mind, they will follow the money. Football is a very fickle business and it's just the nature of the game now.

Don't really blame footballers for following the money. We are not talking a little difference between what we pay and the likes of PSG and the chinese clubs pay. It's considerable and to be honest, end of the day likes of Draxler, Alex Teixeira have no affinity to LFC so can understand their decisions. Anyway, those clubs would outbid us in terms of transfer fees anyway

I'm sorry mate but that old chestnut about players having short careers just doesn't wash these days. It might have been relevant years ago when they earned a few quid more than the average man on the street but these players now earn tens of millions of pounds.
There was a report out the other day which said although the average wage in the country is £26,500 per year that figure was being skewed by the high earners at the top of society. The report estimated that a third (a third) of the country earned £12,000 or less. Given even average footballers these days earn 3 to 4 million a year that means that one of those people earning £12,000 would have to work 333 years to earn what an average footballer does in one year.
Even if a player's career lasts just one year he is hundreds and hundreds times better off than most of the country.

by **Doeboy** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:24 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:00 pm wrote:
Doeboy » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:02 pm wrote:Footballers have relatively short careers. Also one bad injury can either end your career or never let you be the same player again and your stock will drop. With that in mind, they will follow the money. Football is a very fickle business and it's just the nature of the game now.

Don't really blame footballers for following the money. We are not talking a little difference between what we pay and the likes of PSG and the chinese clubs pay. It's considerable and to be honest, end of the day likes of Draxler, Alex Teixeira have no affinity to LFC so can understand their decisions. Anyway, those clubs would outbid us in terms of transfer fees anyway

I'm sorry mate but that old chestnut about players having short careers just doesn't wash these days. It might have been relevant years ago when they earned a few quid more than the average man on the street but these players now earn tens of millions of pounds.
There was a report out the other day which said although the average wage in the country is £26,500 per year that figure was being skewed by the high earners at the top of society. The report estimated that a third (a third) of the country earned £12,000 or less. Given even average footballers these days earn 3 to 4 million a year that means that one of those people earning £12,000 would have to work 333 years to earn what an average footballer does in one year.
Even if a player's career lasts just one year he is hundreds and hundreds times better off than most of the country.

That's all well and good mate but let's be honest, a lad sitting in Germany is offered a chance to play for Liverpool or PSG. He has no affinity to either club. He gets to play in a better overall league in the premier league but gets much more money and regular CL albeit in a league which is poorer in quality. It's really a no brainer as to what he is going to choose in today's day and age. How much money is ever enough is subjective but lets be realistic, on average, the majority of people would opt for the job that pays more. I mean who's to say we ever bid for Draxler. Personally think we may have enquired but didn't actually bid

These young players don't connect with the history and our past successes simply because they were not around when we were in our pomp and also with the power these agents have, a lot of the time it's them pushing the player towards the deal which will earn them the most money.

It's sad, but it's the way it is and I can kind of understand it

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:19 pm

It's just plain greed and footballers are lucky that fans don't view the game through the same prism.

by **redshade** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:27 pm

For players like Draxler, Texiera i guess they don't really have passion to succeed and be known for the top talent they are. Its all about money.
Football is a lot different from when it was before.

A player who has ambition will want to succeed and be known down in history for what talent he had.

I could understand players past their sell date going to the states or even China. But when a young lad goes it just smells of greed.

Anyhow fek them!

by **parchpea** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:42 am

Draxler didnt flinch going from Schalke to Wolfsburg for money, something of a side move, so we shouldnt be surprised he chased the coin to Paris rather than test himself in the Premier League.

Maybe he thnks he can use Paris as a step stone to England or Spain but collect en route, a risky plan.

by **UvS xR4GEx** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:58 pm

I've watched alot of Draxler and I think he's massively overrated!! He's not the quickest player for his position and he seems lazy at tracking back. Yeah he has "moments" but he's way more inconsistent than both Firmino and Coutinho and he's not as good as either. I think we've personally swerved one here.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:04 am

From the Express

Liverpool rocked as PSG prepare £40m bid for unsettled star Philippe Coutinho
PARIS SAINT-GERMAIN are preparing a £40million January bid for Liverpool star Philippe Coutinho.
The French club failed with a £22m offer for the Brazilian forward last summer, but are ready to come back again with a double-your-money offer for a player they have coveted for some time.
Coutinho, 24, has been out for seven weeks with ankle ligament problems, and Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp has ruled him unlikely to return in time for the New Year's Day top-of-the-table clash with Manchester City.
But PSG will move in anyway - although they face competition from both Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
Coutinho is aware of PSG's interest and has become unsettled at Anfield with the prospect of trophies being more readily achievable abroad.
The talented forward, who Liverpool signed for just £8.5m from Inter Milan four years ago, is a player that Klopp is desperate to keep, but privately the Anfield club feel it is likely he will move on in the summer.
Sources close to Coutinho have indicated that his close friend Neymar has told Barcelona that Coutinho would be open to a move to the Nou Camp, but the Spanish club want to wait until the end of the season before making a move.
Coutinho is likely to wait until the summer before making any decision on his future, while PSG have agreed a £38m January deal for Wolfsburg winger Julian Draxler.

Elsewhere the Mirror says

Liverpool will step up their bid to land Dutch star Quincy Promes in January, after missing out on number one target Julian Draxler
With Sadio Mane on Africa Cup of Nations duty throughout January and Philippe Coutinho’s comeback from injury delayed, boss Jurgen Klopp has confirmed he’s in the market for a wide player who can operate along the front line.
He was hoping that Draxler would be that man after talks with the German international, but was left bitterly disappointed after the Wolfsburg star was tempted by a big money offer from PSG.
The Reds manager though, is determined to find cover for his stretched front line, and he sees Promes as the perfect target.
At 24, he fits the profile of Liverpool signings, and he also has an impressive goal-scoring record for a wide player, with 37 goals in 72 appearances for his current club Spartak Moscow.
Klopp is desperate to find a player who can operate wide of a front three but still show a true goalscoring instinct, and Promes – who has 14 caps for Holland – seems the likely candidate.
And interestingly, his Russian club confirmed this week the player has a release clause in his contract – thought to be around £20m – with Spartak general director Sergey Rodionov revealing: “We will try to keep him, but yes, he has a release clause. How much, I do not tell.”

Promes is a friend and international team mate of Reds midfielder Georgino Wijnaldum, and would welcome move to Merseyside.
If the Reds can activate the clause at £20m, then it would prove a bargain for Klopp./

he also has an impressive goal-scoring record for a wide player, with 37 goals in 72 appearances for his current club Spartak Moscow

Don't know much about his fella but that stat is more than "impressive it's brilliant !

by **maguskwt** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:12 pm

If Coutinho is leaving, he is not leaving at that amount... What are we? Chopped liver?
His contract is until 2020 and we sold Sterling for 50 million. Coutinho is at another level to Sterling.

by **maguskwt** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:21 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:19 pm wrote:It's just plain greed and footballers are lucky that fans don't view the game through the same prism.

It's easy for us to say mate... Footballers, especially at the highest levels of football, live in a different world to us, in a different societal norms. It's a bit like how divorce is so normal among Hollywood stars that if their relationship is long lasting, there must be something wrong.For us, we are looking at the situation from our point of view, and we could say that we would be fortunate to be able to earn 5 million in our lifetime. For them, they are already earning that much and most of their mates will be earning that much. So they start thinking, if I could earn 50 million, then I would be more secure financially in life. Remember their life style and expenditure is much much more than an average middle class person. They could lose/spend millions of dollars easily. Another thing is bragging rights. These are young athletes and their worth, how they are viewed by the rest of their peers is by how much they earn or how much clubs are willing to fork out for their signature. As an average player, let's say you are already earning 10 millions. And you know several of your mates earning 50 millions. Could you then blame them for taking an offer of 100 million because they could?

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:48 pm

maguskwt » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:21 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:19 pm wrote:It's just plain greed and footballers are lucky that fans don't view the game through the same prism.

It's easy for us to say mate... Footballers, especially at the highest levels of football, live in a different world to us, in a different societal norms. It's a bit like how divorce is so normal among Hollywood stars that if their relationship is long lasting, there must be something wrong.For us, we are looking at the situation from our point of view, and we could say that we would be fortunate to be able to earn 5 million in our lifetime. For them, they are already earning that much and most of their mates will be earning that much. So they start thinking, if I could earn 50 million, then I would be more secure financially in life. Remember their life style and expenditure is much much more than an average middle class person. They could lose/spend millions of dollars easily. Another thing is bragging rights. These are young athletes and their worth, how they are viewed by the rest of their peers is by how much they earn or how much clubs are willing to fork out for their signature. As an average player, let's say you are already earning 10 millions. And you know several of your mates earning 50 millions. Could you then blame them for taking an offer of 100 million because they could?

No matter how you frame it mate it's greed, people who are already stinking rich wanting more and more, as I said footballers are lucky that the fans don't look at the game through the same narrow 'what's in it for me' type prism.

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