devaney » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:01 pm wrote:Eds your suggestion to boo and abuse the lad is utter shight to be honest !! Never boo'ed a player or the team in my life and I never will.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Borini sign a contract with Liverpool FC?
Why the fk should he just agree to go to a god foresaken sh.ithole like Sunderland or worse still QPR. Poyet and Rednap have been around for quite a while and what have they really achieved. Poyet hasn't been in management for that long so I'll give him the benefit of considerable doubt. Rednap has been in management since the eighties and he has managed to win the FA Cup once. He talks a good game as the HMRC are only too aware. So to simply expect Borini to give up on his ambition to play at the highest level is quite frankly downright naive. He had an awful time with injuries and that seems to have been forgotten. Yes he might have to keep the bench warm if he can get on it or he might be restricted to cup competitions. Some of the work he did at Sunderland can't be ignored even if he didn't score a lot of goals he certainly performed when it really mattered and help keep them in the Premiership. If we hadn't slipped up against Chelsea and Palace his contributions against City and Chelsea might just have helped us to win the league.
The lad has gone on record saying he wants to fight for his place. What's so bad about that?
Really shameful stuff Eds.
Reg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:19 pm wrote:eds » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:22 am wrote:He is an absolute f**kwit and deserves to be booed mercilessly and fruit thrown at him next time he arrives at Melwood or any of our training sessions.
No time for "these" types of players, $90k seriously what an A-grade c**t!
Needs to have the s**t kicked out of him, another Salif Diao situation unfolding........ :no
You're not the brightest light on the Christmas tree are you son?
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:49 pm wrote:Santa » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:43 pm wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:18 am wrote:I don't think this is about money, QPR offered him £58k a week which is probably near double on what he is on here, as HB says I think this is about him wanting to play for a high profile club that will be challenging for honours.
The key words here being "wanting to play" and "actually playing" -- these are two separate things?
You want to stay and be seen at a high profile club, then you better work your socks off son and show some quality. If the coach deemed you're not good enough, tough accept it and move on (ever stepping into a new job and you know you just don't fit in? Nothing new here) As a professional and an Italian international at that, staying and train with the reserves will get you squat and you'll soon be lost without a trace.
So my point being...who gave him all these career advice? He clearly came out of this looking like a greedy mercenary and a muck, and will get on a bad side of the manager. He's under contract so the club will have to pay him off but what happened in a couple of season's time when he's 27 and not playing regular top level football for a couple of season...what then? Still dreaming of high profile clubs? Seriously, money aside as a professional footballer do you think spending a couple of season at the reserve while you're at your prime will help your career?
In tonight's echo Borini's agent is saying that Inter Milan wanted to take him on loan but Liverpool weren't interested, the club just wanted to get it's hands on the £14m that QPR and Sunderland had put on the table.
So in other words Liverpool were trying to steer Borini in a direction that was good for the club but not necessarily for the player. In that case you can't really blame the player for playing that game too.
ballotelliman » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:55 pm wrote:i carnt believe people are moaning about him staying hes not on 150 grand a week. He has proved if nothing else hes a hard worker. Are te moaners on here gona moan when one of our main strikers gets injured cos its bound to happen. For fecksake were in te champions league aswell. Not one person on here would of done anything different to what the lad did. All the lad said was ok i will move to a lesser club seeming your pushing me out but on what i consider fair terms.
Santa » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:04 am wrote:ballotelliman » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:55 pm wrote:i carnt believe people are moaning about him staying hes not on 150 grand a week. He has proved if nothing else hes a hard worker. Are te moaners on here gona moan when one of our main strikers gets injured cos its bound to happen. For fecksake were in te champions league aswell. Not one person on here would of done anything different to what the lad did. All the lad said was ok i will move to a lesser club seeming your pushing me out but on what i consider fair terms.
No i would have done things differently. For a start i would have talk about my future with the club. Declare your standing loud and clear (like what Agger & Hendo did previously) Tell them that i would work my socks off and will i even get a stab at proving myself? If my face don't fit then i will disctate my terms to the club and find a suitable solutions to get my way out, protecting both my own interest and the club's...thats the best way to find a quick, amicable and beneficial solution to move forward
I might be guessing here but from what i know Borini wanted a payoff from the club then look for a big money move for himself, that's why he was stringing Sunderland along for months and asking for unrealistic personal terms. To him is either big money or sit tight and collect my Liverpool's paycheck. ffs this guy is 23 years old and was an Italian international surely he will know that playing competitively on a weekly basis will be the best for this long term professional career. Inter's interest might have come too late to be any meaningful when the club have already accepted QPR's bid. What I would do is to properly discussed and work out options with the club's hierarchy, I'm sure something could be worked out to everyone's benefit and move on from this no-win situation...but the fact that he was still in negotiation and spelling out his unrealistic terms to QPR at the very last day would indicate that money and NOT his playing future is more important to him...I might be wrong but that's how I view this looking from outside.
Yes while he's no big money surplus like Glen Johnson is but i think his club's future, options, offers on table etc was properly spelled out to him yet he managed to screw it all up and is now coming out and openly say he have made the right decision for himself...wtf? why didn't he post "I love Liverpool and I want to play here. I want another chance and I will work my a$$ off to fight to be in the squad", and then if the club still wants to sell him then it will be for the club to explain.
It might be ok to keep him at the club but i doubt he'll even be used should one or both of our strikers are injured, so the club is right to cash in now. Just because he's not a high maintenance item does not mean it's ok to keep him, JUST IN CASE! £14M opportunity missed is a £14M loss. If this is your money I don't think some of you will even talk so casually. Now that he is in the club's bad book so chances of him to even get a mention at all this season is very slim and it's not a career risk an intelligent person will take...in the hope that all stars will align and things will work out. And what if come the end of the season the club take another £10M loss, and he'll have even less options are available to move on, do you still think its a good decision for both? Don't forget next season we'll have Divock and Jordan back so he'll be less than useless then. Now hopefully he'll grow a brain come Jan's time.
Some of the people here are good at just looking at things in simple black and white terms and not thinking strategically before letting their fingers loose. Try to run a business in real life and you'll quickly learn the cold hard truth about society and the real world. Bottom line is that club did paid big money to invest on players so the players will always be a disposable asset to the club...simple business and life's reality. Or do some of you guys think we're running a charity here and good at moaning at the owners when moneys are tight?
ballotelliman » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 am wrote:At the end of the day if it was me and manager said to me basically your not good enough and weve had a great offer from bottom 5 club id think feck you your not getting rid of me and cashing in. Then id think you wanted me now your turning your back on me. i genuinely believe he went to sunderland to prove to brendan how good he was. All im saying is anyone being demoted at work aint gona be happy and say ok boss i know im sh-it il leave now go to a cr-ap job and l take a pay cut.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:19 am wrote:Santa » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:04 am wrote:ballotelliman » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:55 pm wrote:i carnt believe people are moaning about him staying hes not on 150 grand a week. He has proved if nothing else hes a hard worker. Are te moaners on here gona moan when one of our main strikers gets injured cos its bound to happen. For fecksake were in te champions league aswell. Not one person on here would of done anything different to what the lad did. All the lad said was ok i will move to a lesser club seeming your pushing me out but on what i consider fair terms.
No i would have done things differently. For a start i would have talk about my future with the club. Declare your standing loud and clear (like what Agger & Hendo did previously) Tell them that i would work my socks off and will i even get a stab at proving myself? If my face don't fit then i will disctate my terms to the club and find a suitable solutions to get my way out, protecting both my own interest and the club's...thats the best way to find a quick, amicable and beneficial solution to move forward
I might be guessing here but from what i know Borini wanted a payoff from the club then look for a big money move for himself, that's why he was stringing Sunderland along for months and asking for unrealistic personal terms. To him is either big money or sit tight and collect my Liverpool's paycheck. ffs this guy is 23 years old and was an Italian international surely he will know that playing competitively on a weekly basis will be the best for this long term professional career. Inter's interest might have come too late to be any meaningful when the club have already accepted QPR's bid. What I would do is to properly discussed and work out options with the club's hierarchy, I'm sure something could be worked out to everyone's benefit and move on from this no-win situation...but the fact that he was still in negotiation and spelling out his unrealistic terms to QPR at the very last day would indicate that money and NOT his playing future is more important to him...I might be wrong but that's how I view this looking from outside.
Yes while he's no big money surplus like Glen Johnson is but i think his club's future, options, offers on table etc was properly spelled out to him yet he managed to screw it all up and is now coming out and openly say he have made the right decision for himself...wtf? why didn't he post "I love Liverpool and I want to play here. I want another chance and I will work my a$$ off to fight to be in the squad", and then if the club still wants to sell him then it will be for the club to explain.
It might be ok to keep him at the club but i doubt he'll even be used should one or both of our strikers are injured, so the club is right to cash in now. Just because he's not a high maintenance item does not mean it's ok to keep him, JUST IN CASE! £14M opportunity missed is a £14M loss. If this is your money I don't think some of you will even talk so casually. Now that he is in the club's bad book so chances of him to even get a mention at all this season is very slim and it's not a career risk an intelligent person will take...in the hope that all stars will align and things will work out. And what if come the end of the season the club take another £10M loss, and he'll have even less options are available to move on, do you still think its a good decision for both? Don't forget next season we'll have Divock and Jordan back so he'll be less than useless then. Now hopefully he'll grow a brain come Jan's time.
Some of the people here are good at just looking at things in simple black and white terms and not thinking strategically before letting their fingers loose. Try to run a business in real life and you'll quickly learn the cold hard truth about society and the real world. Bottom line is that club did paid big money to invest on players so the players will always be a disposable asset to the club...simple business and life's reality. Or do some of you guys think we're running a charity here and good at moaning at the owners when moneys are tight?
At the end of the day mate if he wants to sit on his contract he's perfectly entitled to do so, the club were more than happy to offer him that contract and if they are not satisfied with him they can pay him off and let him leave.
He's under no obligation to go anywhere he doesn't want to, and he's got every right to do what he feels is in his best interests. You may feel he'd be better off at QPR or Sunderland but obviously Fabio and his agent don't agree, and with all due respect they are the ones in possession of all the facts, you, like the rest of us, are on the outside looking in.
Maybe your ire should be aimed at the club for buying a flop in the first place.
ballotelliman » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 am wrote:At the end of the day if it was me and manager said to me basically your not good enough and weve had a great offer from bottom 5 club id think feck you your not getting rid of me and cashing in.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:19 am wrote:At the end of the day mate if he wants to sit on his contract he's perfectly entitled to do so, the club were more than happy to offer him that contract and if they are not satisfied with him they can pay him off and let him leave.
He's under no obligation to go anywhere he doesn't want to, and he's got every right to do what he feels is in his best interests. You may feel he'd be better off at QPR or Sunderland but obviously Fabio and his agent don't agree, and with all due respect they are the ones in possession of all the facts, you, like the rest of us, are on the outside looking in.
Maybe your ire should be aimed at the club for buying a flop in the first place.
ballotelliman » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 am wrote: i genuinely believe he went to sunderland to prove to brendan how good he was..
ballotelliman » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 am wrote:All im saying is anyone being demoted at work aint gona be happy and say ok boss i know im sh-it il leave now go to a cr-ap job and l take a pay cut.
Santa » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:34 am wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:19 am wrote:At the end of the day mate if he wants to sit on his contract he's perfectly entitled to do so, the club were more than happy to offer him that contract and if they are not satisfied with him they can pay him off and let him leave.
He's under no obligation to go anywhere he doesn't want to, and he's got every right to do what he feels is in his best interests. You may feel he'd be better off at QPR or Sunderland but obviously Fabio and his agent don't agree, and with all due respect they are the ones in possession of all the facts, you, like the rest of us, are on the outside looking in.
Maybe your ire should be aimed at the club for buying a flop in the first place.
Sorry but you're talking crap here mate...who's questioning Borini's entitlement here? Of course he is under contract and he was signed by Brendan...those are facts and that the club can only break this with his consent...is that even a moot point?![]()
What I'm trying to understand is the phyche of a professional football player signed by the club. The fact that you're bringing up the point of me speaking from a position of not having the inside information to justify your argument is just plain lame and taking pIss...how could I forget that all your postings here are always backed by hard truth and official club's information?![]()
Maybe we should all just stop posting here since all the digital ink laid here are based on crap opinion and innuendos. Sure...it's all his entitlement and for his best interest...I get it now
damjan193 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:57 pm wrote:Why did he had to entirely capitalize the word "man"? Does he have some kind of inferiority complex or something? Reading those tweets it seems he feels as if he "won" in a battle against the club. Not exactly a great way to show his great love for the club everyone's talking about.
Anyway, why is this guy our main topic now? Just forget about him, he'll probably be gone come January. And who knows, maybe he'll even prove to us that he's as good as he thinks he is
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