Liverpool FC Forum

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:05 pm wrote:I'm not convinced German players are that great as individuals, I just think that when they are surrounded by other german players they become something much, much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

Exactly.

Think about Klose as an example and then compare him to man he beat this morning on goals scored in a WC.

You would pick (fat) Ronaldo in his prime all day long over the German.

Kopite-Jud » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:23 pm wrote:

leeroy74 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:19 pm wrote:Muller is to old and what about the goal keeper? He looks Fecking awesome

At 24 years old Muller is too old ?

 

     

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:05 am wrote:I'm not convinced German players are that great as individuals, I just think that when they are surrounded by other german players they become something much, much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

That's true, always has been like that with the Germans. Still, a lot of their players would jump straight in to our starting 11.

Kopite-Jud » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:23 pm wrote:

leeroy74 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:19 pm wrote:Muller is to old and what about the goal keeper? He looks Fecking awesome

At 24 years old Muller is too old ?

 

Think he was referring to Gerd Muller (who incidentally loves to play against Holland in the World Cup Final) you tools

Chris Bascombe wrote this in The Telegraph (on line)....
It's long-winded, but I think it's nicely complimentary to you guys who are there at Anfield, cheering our lads on.....

"This is what will happen in the next few weeks...
Brendan Rodgers will curse the loss of one of the greatest modern footballing talents, but relish the opportunity to build a team based on collective brilliance rather than Suarez's eclectic mix of the mind-blowing, inspirational and, more than occasionally, unpleasant.
Liverpool were more reliant on Suarez than Rodgers cared to admit last season, although it was to the manager's credit that the Uruguayan's effectiveness elevated his status to ensure Barcelona wanted him.
Rodgers designed a team to get the best out of Suarez and the fact his goal rate - especially his goal to chance ratio - increased since 2012 was no coincidence.
Suarez was indulged to the point where Rodgers was prepared to consistently re-chalk the tactics board for his benefit. For all his (misguided) sense of persecution in English football, Suarez will swiftly realise how pampered he was at Liverpool.
It is part of the culture to embrace rascals on Merseyside. Being described as 'clean cut' is an insult. If Suarez had defecated on the Anfield turf, someone somewhere would have prepared a 1,500-word essay on how he was misunderstood - no doubt arguing how he was practising a quaint, ancient South American tradition of fertilisation.
They worship their superstars as fervently in Barcelona too, of course, but Suarez will have to join the back of a longer queue of contemporaries when making his Nou Camp bow.
Having rewritten several striking records at Anfield last season, Suarez will have to break with another tradition. If he goes 18 months without noises being made about how he wishes he can come back, he'll have succeeded where Ian Rush, Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler and Torres failed.
In all cases, no sooner had they gone they were pining for a return, their striking rate never matching that on Merseyside where - even in average Liverpool sides - the second-half blitz on The Kop goal makes (most) strikers seem a yard quicker and sharper.
Suarez won't find a team built around him at Barcelona.
Nor will he encounter a home crowd or manager tolerant of those movements where the nutmegs don't come off, he concedes possession frequently and the audacious 25 yard chip goes 30 yards over. The Kop applauded and encouraged such individuality because they expected Suarez to produce his compulsory genius a few minutes later. In the last few years he always did.
At the Nou Camp, they might start waving the white handkerchiefs if Suarez commits the ultimate sin of giving the ball away when a six-yard pass to Lionel Messi is the alternative option.
Suarez will no longer emerge from the players tunnel with the crowd singing his name incessantly for 20 minutes, nor begin every match with complete confidence he will only ever be substituted if he is injured or is being granted a standing ovation in injury time.
Given he complained last season for being photographed while shopping in the Trafford centre, Suarez may even miss the relative seclusion of living on Merseyside where the only 'paparazzi' as such consists of the same freelance bloke standing on a box outside Melwood with his long lens. Might be a bit different in Spain…
So yes, Liverpool should admit it. Loud and proud. They will really miss Luis Suarez. But give it time, and there is every chance Suarez won't half miss Liverpool."

Not my words, but amen, I reckon.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:05 am wrote:I'm not convinced German players are that great as individuals, I just think that when they are surrounded by other german players they become something much, much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

Heard that Stevie G tweeted

"Brazil have Neymar
Argentina have Messi
Portugal have Ronaldo
But Germany have a team"

Think that's a perfect summation .

woof woof ! » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:03 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:05 am wrote:I'm not convinced German players are that great as individuals, I just think that when they are surrounded by other german players they become something much, much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

Heard that Stevie G tweeted

"Brazil have Neymar
Argentina have Messi
Portugal have Ronaldo
But Germany have a team"

Think that's a perfect summation .

Steven Gerrard doesn't have a twitter account

Santa » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:42 am wrote:
Think he was referring to Gerd Muller (who incidentally loves to play against Holland in the World Cup Final) you tools

At least your awake Santa! that went right over the heads of everyone else 

metalhead » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:08 am wrote:

woof woof ! » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:03 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:05 am wrote:I'm not convinced German players are that great as individuals, I just think that when they are surrounded by other german players they become something much, much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

Heard that Stevie G tweeted

"Brazil have Neymar
Argentina have Messi
Portugal have Ronaldo
But Germany have a team"

Think that's a perfect summation .

Steven Gerrard doesn't have a twitter account

He does, but he rarely uses it and it's mostly for his foundation. @SGF08. His last post was in April tho.

Totally different kind of player but would love to see Thomas Muller brought in as a replacment

cardiff-red » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:05 pm wrote:Totally different kind of player but would love to see Thomas Muller brought in as a replacment

muller is a top player, not too flamboyant but a good reader of the game  he would be a fantastic addition if he could be persuaded to leave bayern but imo he will be there for life.
anyway i couldnt imagine him skipping about the prem with those flimsy shin guards on 

Mueller would never leave Bayern... and I believe Khedira would suit us more than Mueller... as much as I like both of them. Khedira played an awesome game against brazil, he was the midfield engine, controlled the game and allowed all others to attack...

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/487691/Barcelona-set-to-announce-58m-Luis-Suarez-deal-after-negotiating-12m-DISCOUNT

Barcelona set to announce £58m Luis Suarez deal after negotiating £12m DISCOUNT

BARCELONA are set to announce today that they have agreed a £58m deal to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool.

Reports in Spain suggest that the agreement is for a straight cash deal and will not involve any players heading to Anfield in part-exchange.

Suarez reportedly had a buy-out fee for foreign clubs of £70m but Barcelona have been able to negotiate a significant discount on that price.

Liverpool's hand was seemingly somewhat forced not only by the scandal - and subsequent ban - after Suarez bit Giorgio Chiellini, but also by the Uruguayan's wish to make the move.

Indeed, it is suggested that Suarez has stayed in Uruguay after the World Cup in the full expectation that he would be making a move to Barca ahead of next season


I can live with losing our finest player just ,but to lose him to these Spanish cuntz with such a derisory offer is hard to take    Really hope its *****.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:11 pm wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/487691/Barcelona-set-to-announce-58m-Luis-Suarez-deal-after-negotiating-12m-DISCOUNT

Barcelona set to announce £58m Luis Suarez deal after negotiating £12m DISCOUNT

BARCELONA are set to announce today that they have agreed a £58m deal to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool.

Reports in Spain suggest that the agreement is for a straight cash deal and will not involve any players heading to Anfield in part-exchange.

Suarez reportedly had a buy-out fee for foreign clubs of £70m but Barcelona have been able to negotiate a significant discount on that price.

Liverpool's hand was seemingly somewhat forced not only by the scandal - and subsequent ban - after Suarez bit Giorgio Chiellini, but also by the Uruguayan's wish to make the move.

Indeed, it is suggested that Suarez has stayed in Uruguay after the World Cup in the full expectation that he would be making a move to Barca ahead of next season


I can live with losing our finest player just ,but to lose him to these Spanish cuntz with such a derisory offer is hard to take    Really hope its *****.

IF, and I say if because this is the Express FFS, it is a discount based on 100% cash that may not be the worst thing in the world.

I suspect that we have played hardball on the fee and in return Barcelona have offered a long payment plan, ie 3-5 seasons. It could be that they have returned to the negotiating table by saying they'll pay 100% cash if it is less.

Not an unusual tactic at all.

We would get £60M to spend now, as opposed to £25M say. Bear in mind that if a payment plan over multiple seasons is agreed it doesn't mean you get the agreed transfer fee to spend immediately.

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:23 pm wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:11 pm wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/487691/Barcelona-set-to-announce-58m-Luis-Suarez-deal-after-negotiating-12m-DISCOUNT

Barcelona set to announce £58m Luis Suarez deal after negotiating £12m DISCOUNT

BARCELONA are set to announce today that they have agreed a £58m deal to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool.

Reports in Spain suggest that the agreement is for a straight cash deal and will not involve any players heading to Anfield in part-exchange.

Suarez reportedly had a buy-out fee for foreign clubs of £70m but Barcelona have been able to negotiate a significant discount on that price.

Liverpool's hand was seemingly somewhat forced not only by the scandal - and subsequent ban - after Suarez bit Giorgio Chiellini, but also by the Uruguayan's wish to make the move.

Indeed, it is suggested that Suarez has stayed in Uruguay after the World Cup in the full expectation that he would be making a move to Barca ahead of next season


I can live with losing our finest player just ,but to lose him to these Spanish cuntz with such a derisory offer is hard to take    Really hope its *****.

IF, and I say if because this is the Express FFS, it is a discount based on 100% cash that may not be the worst thing in the world.

I suspect that we have played hardball on the fee and in return Barcelona have offered a long payment plan, ie 3-5 seasons. It could be that they have returned to the negotiating table by saying they'll pay 100% cash if it is less.

Not an unusual tactic at all.

We would get £60M to spend now, as opposed to £25M say. Bear in mind that if a payment plan over multiple seasons is agreed it doesn't mean you get the agreed transfer fee to spend immediately.

That's common sense ,and frankly stating the obvious ,but my argument is surely we hold all the cards here ,and should in all likelihood be insisting on the
full amount stated in his contract, and the whole sum up front, rather than paltry instalments ?

I mean why should we be penalised by allowing Barcelona to leave us bereft of one of Worlds best footballers,and then expecting us to accept our remuneration
in instalments.