Liverpool FC Forum

He was extremely poor in his first season. He has improved but from a very low base. He now needs to perform on a regular basis the way he did in the Spurs game to become a decent midfield player who justifies a £20m price tag.

He was extremely poor in his first season. He has improved but from a very low base. He now needs to perform on a regular basis the way he did in the Spurs game to become a decent midfield player who justifies a £20m price tag.

Stu the Red wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:30 am wrote:I think Jordan has flourished in Gerrards absence ,and with the onus falling on him to be the fulcrum of this Liverpool team his game has
become far more inventive. Jordan's energy or his application has never been in question ,but on Sunday these attributes along with his
overall  game were exceptional.

I think the main source of encouragement was how the players worked in retrieving the ball ,and in particular Sterling whose positioning
I have questioned this season ,but on Sunday he looked for all the world like an old fashioned winger,and gave Naughton a torrid time .
This all points to how Rodgers would love to see a team fashioned straight from his blueprint playing high tempo pressing football ,both
innovative and spearheaded by the incomparable Suarez.

Henderson's time has come.

Seriously... after one game?

No lad ,not one game ,as well you f*cking know    I've always maintained the belief Henderson will become a major asset to this club when he finally steps away from the looming shadow of an obstinate Gerrard.....Its no secret we looked far more unified with every player creating space with their movement off the ball as well as on it ,and as a collative we were exceptional .

This was in no small part due to the outstanding and tireless performance from Jordan Henderson.

devaney » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:11 pm wrote:He was extremely poor in his first season. He has improved but from a very low base. He now needs to perform on a regular basis the way he did in the Spurs game to become a decent midfield player who justifies a £20m price tag.

he was a vital cog in the team during the second half of last season, he gave us much needed energy in the middle of the park.
not only that he scored the same number of goals as gerrard did from open play despite playing only half the amount of games that gerrard did.
as i said hendo has been doing well for a year now

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:17 pm wrote:

Stu the Red wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:30 am wrote:I think Jordan has flourished in Gerrards absence ,and with the onus falling on him to be the fulcrum of this Liverpool team his game has
become far more inventive. Jordan's energy or his application has never been in question ,but on Sunday these attributes along with his
overall  game were exceptional.

I think the main source of encouragement was how the players worked in retrieving the ball ,and in particular Sterling whose positioning
I have questioned this season ,but on Sunday he looked for all the world like an old fashioned winger,and gave Naughton a torrid time .
This all points to how Rodgers would love to see a team fashioned straight from his blueprint playing high tempo pressing football ,both
innovative and spearheaded by the incomparable Suarez.

Henderson's time has come.

Seriously... after one game?

No lad ,not one game ,as well you f*cking know   :;): I've always maintained the belief Henderson will become a major asset to this club when he finally steps away from the looming shadow of an obstinate Gerrard.....Its no secret we looked far more unified with every player creating space with their movement off the ball as well as on it ,and as a collative we were exceptional .

This was in no small part due to the outstanding and tireless performance from Jordan Henderson.

As I said one game...

I'm going to try and give you some much needed perspective on that performance.

Tottenham 0 West Ham United 3

Manchester City 6 Tottenham 0

Henderson has been ***** poor since he signed. An improvement to average this season does not justify the money spent. He needs to reproduce that form in more matches than most. Unfortunately, its once a season, followed by 15 or so inept performances.

Stu the Red » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:19 pm wrote:
As I said one game...

I'm going to try and give you some much needed perspective on that performance.

Tottenham 0 West Ham United 3

Manchester City 6 Tottenham 0

Henderson has been ***** poor since he signed. An improvement to average this season does not justify the money spent. He needs to reproduce that form in more matches than most. Unfortunately, its once a season, followed by 15 or so inept performances.

Don't bother lad ,I only suffer fools for so long , especially those fatuous enough to attempt to be condescending,every man and his dog can accept
that Henderson deserves this opportunity ,if only for the consistently energetic performances he has proffered this season ,unlike Gerrard who has
only managed to breach the word 'consistency' in a  handful of games, and all against midfield's he can practice his abstinence from exacting a tackle.

Entering into any form of debate with you is an exercise in futility ,even the more opinionated posters can accept the sway from the constant
denigration the lad used to receive,and they adjust their respective stances accordingly ,but you just seem intent on lingering with a very small
minority lad.

So I would suggest if we truly need to watch a player from (using your term ) 'perspective' then we need to face our respective bedroom walls whilst
vigorously rubbing our ***** against a Steven Gerrard poster, because that is the only viable and logical reason I can proffer for your blindness.

Stu I think you are completely wrong about Henderson. To say he has been piss poor since he joined is rubbish. You have mentioned in numerous threads about player development optimising at age 23. Jordan was only 23 in June this year. He was only 21 when he joined Liverpool. In his first year apart from the odd glimmer he certainly didn't light the place up. Last year was very different and he showed significant signs of improvement which based on your own understanding is not that unusual for somebody of his age. I was never happy with what we paid for him. In fact I thought it was ridiculous. That however was not Jordan's fault. He is now progressing and developing into a very useful midfield player. I think your current assessment is very harsh. I could have said a load of old bollux but it is Christmas and that would have been very rude 

Just 3 goals today Stu and who got the 3 assists.Well done Hendo. Beginning to show what your worth. Easy to say Cardiff weren't that good but not many teams have put 3 goals past them this season.

devaney » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:05 pm wrote:Just 3 goals today Stu and who got the 3 assists.Well done Hendo. Beginning to show what your worth. Easy to say Cardiff weren't that good but not many teams have put 3 goals past them this season.

2 assists mate, not 3 today, played a big part for the Sterling goal though.

Great performance from him today, but it's down to consistency so let's see

devaney » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:08 am wrote:Stu I think you are completely wrong about Henderson. To say he has been piss poor since he joined is rubbish. You have mentioned in numerous threads about player development optimising at age 23. Jordan was only 23 in June this year. He was only 21 when he joined Liverpool. In his first year apart from the odd glimmer he certainly didn't light the place up. Last year was very different and he showed significant signs of improvement which based on your own understanding is not that unusual for somebody of his age. I was never happy with what we paid for him. In fact I thought it was ridiculous. That however was not Jordan's fault. He is now progressing and developing into a very useful midfield player. I think your current assessment is very harsh. I could have said a load of old bollux but it is Christmas and that would have been very rude 

I disagree. I think ***** poor is very fair.

He's gone missing in far many too many games since he joined. Today again, he was excellent. The thing that's grated me so often with him is the lack of influence he has in games. He has decent ability and a few good attributes in his locker but to many games simply pass him by.

On saying that, the last two games he's really stamped his authority on games. If he continues in this vein of form I won't have any problems with the lad what so ever. But to be honest, its going to take a lot more than two good games against poor sides to convince me he's turned the corner.

He does seem to be relishing playing with Suarez at the moment (who wouldn't) which is of huge benefit.

Stu the Red » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:12 pm wrote:

devaney » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:08 am wrote:Stu I think you are completely wrong about Henderson. To say he has been piss poor since he joined is rubbish. You have mentioned in numerous threads about player development optimising at age 23. Jordan was only 23 in June this year. He was only 21 when he joined Liverpool. In his first year apart from the odd glimmer he certainly didn't light the place up. Last year was very different and he showed significant signs of improvement which based on your own understanding is not that unusual for somebody of his age. I was never happy with what we paid for him. In fact I thought it was ridiculous. That however was not Jordan's fault. He is now progressing and developing into a very useful midfield player. I think your current assessment is very harsh. I could have said a load of old bollux but it is Christmas and that would have been very rude 

I disagree. I think ***** poor is very fair.

He's gone missing in far many too many games since he joined. Today again, he was excellent. The thing that's grated me so often with him is the lack of influence he has in games. He has decent ability and a few good attributes in his locker but to many games simply pass him by.

On saying that, the last two games he's really stamped his authority on games. If he continues in this vein of form I won't have any problems with the lad what so ever. But to be honest, its going to take a lot more than two good games against poor sides to convince me he's turned the corner.

He does seem to be relishing playing with Suarez at the moment (who wouldn't) which is of huge benefit.

It's ridiculously unfair Stu. Piss poor in his first season I agree. He was dropped by Rodgers as a result and worked hard to get back into the side. Most people (ok I know that doesn't apply to you  ) have given the lad credit for his work ethic and overall improvement. He has played in most of the games this season and you don't get to the top of the league with piss poor passengers playing in very important positions. Just for Christmas accept that you are wrong 

devaney » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:17 pm wrote:Just for Christmas accept that you are wrong 

No if -- if you don't see it his way, you're either talking out of your @$$ or that you don't know your football and you're better off just stick to supporting your local team. Remember you have never played football at a high level like he did, so what do you know? 

To be fair to Henderson, he has been played out of position most of the time. He is a central midfielder and not a winger, and whenever he's played in centre, he had looked better...

Anyway, the Liverpool manager continues to pick him even ahead of his purchase Joe Allen this season, so what do we and stu know...

maguskwt » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:59 am wrote:To be fair to Henderson, he has been played out of position most of the time. He is a central midfielder and not a winger, and whenever he's played in centre, he had looked better...

Anyway, the Liverpool manager continues to pick him even ahead of his purchase Joe Allen this season, so what do we and stu know...

thing is though that he deserves to be starting ahead of allen. he's no yaya toure now but has shown a hell of an improvement and deserves his place. he's a decent utility player and is shining now he's more central. overall he's up there for me as one of our better players so far this season
the more his confidence grows then the more we will get out of him, simple as that.

Its the quality in his passing that has been so impressive in the past 2 games for me. He's looking to be more proactive in the final third aswell. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's able to showcase it now as he has a different role when Gerrard isn't in the side.