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Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:48 pm wrote:
So the sooner he goes the better for me.

your not just wrong ... your stupid.

This club will become successful again but we need players just like Suarez on board. In fact we need Suarez, all this 'sell him and buy some new quality' is a load of tosh. Why should they? you'd only fuking moan anyway at whoever they bought!

give us a break lad

woof woof ! » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:06 pm wrote:

At some point enough is enough and the negative outweighs everything else. Some people can ignore what he has done - I can't.

So the sooner he goes the better for me.

Yeah ? . well this thread is the Luis Suarez thread and NOT the "What's better for Benny" thread.

If Luis keeps playing the way he has I'm more than happy to see him lining up for us at every opportunity, and long may those opportunities continue  .

on the money. 

It is the Suarez thread hence why I was talking about Suarez.

BTN - Your plan is flawed especially if we do not qualify for the CL. If we do qualify for the CL and Suarez has a blemish free season why sell him?

So let's just assume that we adopt your suggestion and sell Luis for £50m and buy a couple of players that you think can transform the team? On so many occasions you have pointed out that top players won't join Liverpool because we are not in the CL. I think that is a sensible assumption. So you want Suarez sold as soon as possible. The sooner the better were your exact words. On that basis the next transfer window is January so just who should we buy? You honestly believe that we can replace possibly the third best player in the world with two players that will actually do a better job and take the club forward. We have 20 points from 9 points. That is exactly double the number of points we amassed from the first 9 games last season. If you can't see that the club is moving forward then that is simply a personal problem that you need to try and overcome.

The players certainly don't look as if they have a problem with Suarez and neither do the majority of fans. The standing ovation that he received for his hat-trick was genuine and heart felt.The fans on the Kop rocking the baby simply do not share your view.Also take a look at the players body language and compare it to Suarez's behaviour when he played in the pre-season friendlies. I would suggest that you are rapidly heading towards a minority of one with your somewhat sanctimonious and self righteous views.

I look forward to seeing who you think we should buy in January or even the summer,if we sell Luis, assuming that we do not qualify for the CL. That is a fair basis for you to work on given that before the season started you claimed time and time again that we had no chance of finishing in the top four. If anybody else can help BTN with this one then please feel free because I'm at a loss to know where to start.

Please tell me when Suarez last had a "Blemish" free season - I remember all the talk about how it will be blemish free this season just 12 months ago.

Spurs have shown this summer if a club isn't afraid to spend a bit more then teams without CL football can still buy quality players.

What points we have after 9 games is meaningless currently - it what we have at the end of the season, what will you be saying if we don't get into the top 4 ? What if we end up 6th as I think we will. CL spots aren't given out in November. Southampton are currently in the Top 4 as well - they also won't stay there.

I have my views on Suarez - you have yours and I respect your views - please respect mine.

I take it you are struggling to give me a list of suitable players to replace Luis. Why doesn't that surprise me. This is nothing to do with respecting each other's views. I would have considerably more respect for your views if you could actually support them in a sensible and rational manner.

Please don't bother responding without answering the question. The question is simple. The answer as you are finding is extremely difficult. You want Ayre's sacked, Suarez sold and the club sold to owners with endless amounts of money. You now even fail to recognise that the club is moving in the right direction based on your previous comments.

One player wouldnt come into replace him - you would replace him by improve the options around the front line .players like Munian , Rues , Draxler , young players with massive potential - for £50mil we could possibly get two of them. You could look to players like Pastore , Gamerio even Pato. It's not about replacing Suarez with an like for like - it would be using funds to buy more than just one quality player.

I want Ayre sacked because he is an utter clown - the banning of the IPCC leaflets just highlight how much of a f*cking clown that man is. I want the club sold to owners who are willing to invest in the club and the squad to get us back into the top level of football.

The direction the club is moving in will be unknown until the end of each season it midway through it. We could just as easily finish 7th again. Then which direction has it moved in ? I would rather wait until the end of the season before suggesting which way the club is going.

if the lad is willing to stay then happy days. if he goes we will miss his influence and class in the side.
we bought him for 22.5 (aprox) and he was already quality and a top talent. like torres he has vastly improved here and at present he is one of the best in the world. top talents who settle quickly become world beater's in a couple of seasons.
my biggest fear is that any money we get will be spread on more aspas's, borini's and allen's who barely make an impact.
the lad is phenomenal and by far our best player and for that reason an attempt should be made to extend his deal and keep him here beyond next summer.

Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:07 pm wrote:One player wouldnt come into replace him - you would replace him by improve the options around the front line .players like Munian , Rues , Draxler , young players with massive potential - for £50mil we could possibly get two of them. You could look to players like Pastore , Gamerio even Pato. It's not about replacing Suarez with an like for like - it would be using funds to buy more than just one quality player.

I want Ayre sacked because he is an utter clown - the banning of the IPCC leaflets just highlight how much of a f*cking clown that man is. I want the club sold to owners who are willing to invest in the club and the squad to get us back into the top level of football.

The direction the club is moving in will be unknown until the end of each season it midway through it. We could just as easily finish 7th again. Then which direction has it moved in ? I would rather wait until the end of the season before suggesting which way the club is going.

I said the question was easy and the answer was extremely difficult. Well done for having a go. I'm not going to go through your suggestion player by player. I presume Rues is Reus and I'm not sure why he would move to a club not in the CL. You are fully entitled to your opinion and if you honestly think a couple of those players would be preferable to keeping Suarez at the club then that's fine. I'd be very interested to see a poll of Liverpool supporters to see just how many think you are on the right track.

You refer to Ayre's as a fkg clown which I find interesting especially given the one example you have selected to identify his deficiencies. Do you really know all the facts relating to the leaflets that the IPCC wanted to put on all the seats in the ground. You refer to tweets as a source of information. Are the tweets  really that reliable? Ayre's gave permission to the IPCC to implement several alternative initiatives which your critique chooses to ignore. You expect people to treat you with respect and yet you are comfortable with referring to Ayre's as a fkg clown. You could at least have published the letter that Ayre's wrote to the IPCC. The letter is in the the public domain.

As for the owners not selling Suarez was a major sign of their commitment but you will never accept that.

Ayre is a f*cking clown - it's as simple as that. He has a track record of being a f*cking clown as CEO of a football club - this is the same clown who was negotiating with people who weren't even officially representating a player - negotiating with unregistered agents. If you really want to see what he can do to football clubs then speak to a Huddersfield fan and they will tell you what he nearly did to their club. The sooner he is gone the better for the club.

As for players replacing Suarez - his ability isn't the question - his attitude and behaviour is. It's great having him only play for 75% of the season. I would prefer to have players who don't get banned for 25% of each season, then his talents are irrelevant because they are sat in the stands. So whilst it's not easy to replace player for player at some point he will need to be replaced and the best way to do that won't be with one player but to buy a couple of players to improve the output of the front line. What Spurs exactly have done with Bale - they took the money and used it improve the overall quality of the squad and not try and find a like for like player to replace him. You can take as many polls as you want - won't change my thinking.

As for the owners commitment - not accepting the bid from one team when it was low isn't what I'm looking for - start building in the stadium and then you can talk about commitment. One team bid for Suarez - that was it.

You have actually previously said on more than one occasion in this thread that you would have taken the £40m for Suarez from Arsenal which makes your argument a little bit tricky to follow.

We're you talking about Reus by the way?

I think you will actually find that Spurs are behind us in the league so time will tell as to just how successful their £100m spend has been. A couple of  wins through Sodado penalties and one of them was very dodgy plus a 93rd minute winner against Cardiff is not that convincing. Let's see where they are at the end of the season with the thoroughly awful football AVB has got them playing.

Do you really think you have sufficient facts to make a judgement about Ayre's. You refer to Huddersfield. Let's have some accurate facts. Just what do you know about the agent fiasco? I'm interested in meaningful details and not emotional garbage.He is an incredibly successful businessman and the club is now in a far better state for his efforts than it was a few years ago.

devaney » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:35 pm wrote::oops: You have actually previously said on more than one occasion in this thread that you would have taken the £40m for Suarez from Arsenal which makes your argument a little bit tricky to follow.

We're you talking about Reus by the way?

I think you will actually find that Spurs are behind us in the league so time will tell as to just how successful their £100m spend has been. A couple of  wins through Sodado penalties and one of them was very dodgy plus a 93rd minute winner against Cardiff is not that convincing. Let's see where they are at the end of the season with the thoroughly awful football AVB has got them playing.

Do you really think you have sufficient facts to make a judgement about Ayre's. You refer to Huddersfield. Let's have some accurate facts. Just what do you know about the agent fiasco? I'm interested in meaningful details and not emotional garbage.He is an incredibly successful businessman and the club is now in a far better state for his efforts than it was a few years ago.

You are keeping your temper well grasshopper...

Go onto the Huddersfield official fans forum and search for Ayre and you will get your answers about him there. You said it yourself - successful business , he has done well as a financial director. As a CEO that's an entirely different matter. The agents were in the Apsas thread when that transfer was going through - it's all in there for you to read. I have made my judgement about Ayre ( been CEO during our worst period on the pitch in decades ) and will look forward to the day he goes and a proper football CEO arrives.

Again one team bid for him - the owners said no , no one bid more and he stayed. What's hard to follow about that ? What I personally would have accepted for him wasn't in question.

I see you totally missed the point in regards Spurs but ill bet you a tenner to charity they finish higher than us this season. If you want to use the "lets see where they are at the end of the season " line then apply it to us as well, a lot of new players arriving and settling yet still getting results, have we been convincing this season ? Nowhere near. Anyway the point was they took the Bale money and used it to improve their squad. They didn't just look to buy one player to replace Bale - they built up their squad and that quality will shine through at the end. Yes I was talking about Reus - he was an example of players out there that could be bought by using a bit of money ( see the word "could" )but he would be a long shot . Again Spurs managed to get CL players whilst not in the CL - they did that by giving a little bit more money.

I think that's prob exhausted the point now on all fronts

Hopefully you will accept the charity bet.

So according to you Benny you'd like to spunk 50 million on 2 young players with massive potential? A bit of consistency in your opinions would go a long way to get some credibility on here oh clueless one

The players I mentioned are young top quality players who are already making footsteps towards becoming world class players. So they are young with massive potential - where is the inconsistency ?