Luis Suarez signs for Barcelona

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Postby devaney » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:37 pm

eds » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:06 am wrote:
Santa » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:22 am wrote:Will reluctantly take Alonso and Modric PLUS 40mil off Real...Alvaro Morata looks a great prospect too


Here's a crazy idea.

Why don't we keep one of the best players in the world at our club?

With Coutinho back in the side next week we actually have a chance to keep momentum in what many (including myself) saw as another season lost.

In January when the transfer window opens, instead of being all doom and gloom and s**t, let's hope for the best and demand that our tight a**e owner's actually f**king spend some of THEIR money for  :;)
If we actually bring in just one, one QUALITY attacking player in January we will go a long way in challenging for 4th this season.

If we are back in CL league next season there is no reason why from there we can't bring in more talented players that can complement Suarez.


Good to see you're topping up the glass Eds  :nod  The tight ar.se owners as you so affectionately call them have spent a net of £50m in the last one and a half seasons which isn't actually chicken feed. Very easy to forget that they took a hit of nearly £35m on Carroll and Downing. January will be interesting. I believe that Suarez's summer behaviour has gone some way towards motivating the team and the club to provide the necessary stage for top players to perform.
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Postby eds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:16 am

It ain't chicken feed but it certainly isn't enough to guarantee us 4th, especially the squad we had after Kenny departed. We needed a lot more investment in the side, which is part of the reason why Suarez wanted to leave.

They only net spent 15m this past transfer window, and from my POV their relunctance to spend anymore than over 16m on one player cost us Mkhitarayan, Eriksen and Willan. Something we would have benefitted greatly from in Coutinho's absence.

This January I'm not expecting them to spend anymore than is required. The difference being that what they think is required and what the manager thinks is required maybe poles apart. Hopefully they aren't and we actually see a quality attacking / creative midfielder come in and not another Aspas or Alberto.
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Postby devaney » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:19 am

Eds we tried to get those players but not being in Europe let alone the CL meant we were always going to be up against it. As for Willian, if RM,City or Barca had come in with a bigger offer than Chelsea he would have gone there.The other two joined clubs in the CL. It's frustrating and it certainly isn't easy but we our making positive steps in the right direction. It would have been simple for our owners to take the £40m for Suarez and replace him with a far cheaper version if they really are quite as mercenary and mean as some supporters suggest. Instead they played hardball and that might just set the agenda for the next five years if we qualify for the CL. Ayres and the owners are not being given enough credit for Suarez staying at Liverpool. The balance sheet isn't that pretty and they lost money every year since they arrived.
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Everton +€33m (€211m)
Arsenal €557m (€853m)
Spurs €571m (€684m)
Chelsea €945m (€1051m)
Man City €370m (€1038m)
Man United €687m (€1240m)
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm

even if we did sell suarez no matter who we brought in to replace him the simple fact is they just wouldnt be as good as him.
suarez is currently the best player in the country, he was last year too but his past indiscretions stopped fellow pro`s and journo`s putting the crown on his head and making it official.
until he bit ivanovic he was top of the scoring charts as well.
can you see us going out and buying someone of such standing that they`ll arrive here and be regarded as the best player in the division? could we attract such a player even if someone generally regarded as being better than rooney, better than mata, better than aguero was on the market?
i think if we do sell suarez the money will be spread around different area`s of the team.
i think the best thing is to make the most of it while we can, given the spending power of some of our rivals it could be a good few years before we have the best player in the prem in our line up again.
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Postby devaney » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:32 pm

And that is exactly why Yaka that Ayre's and the owners do everything possible to keep Suarez at Liverpool. When I said they could have sold him and replaced him with a cheaper version I hope you were not thinking that I meant the cheaper version would have the same skills as our magical maestro.
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are in brackets 15/16 to 24/25 )
LFC €300m (€420m)
Everton +€33m (€211m)
Arsenal €557m (€853m)
Spurs €571m (€684m)
Chelsea €945m (€1051m)
Man City €370m (€1038m)
Man United €687m (€1240m)
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:51 pm

When Suarez leaves the club will move on and forward.
Suarez is an outstanding player but as someone earlier said - he isn't a red and never will be again. Will have no problem selling him and using the money to build a better squad.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:00 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:51 pm wrote:When Suarez leaves the club will move on and forward.
Suarez is an outstanding player but as someone earlier said - he isn't a red and never will be again. Will have no problem selling him and using the money to build a better squad.


he`s not a red? as opposed to who? a local lad like adam morgan or someone?
i dont want a team full of badge kissers i want top players who are hungry for success.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:06 pm

I don't want players who blatently don't want to be at the club and players who have shown nothing but disrespect to the club and the fans and players who have dragged our good name through the mud. I don't care how good that player is Yakka.
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Postby supersub » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:21 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:51 pm wrote:When Suarez leaves the club will move on and forward.
Suarez is an outstanding player but as someone earlier said - he isn't a red and never will be again. Will have no problem selling him and using the money to build a better squad.



As long as Real Madrid or any other suitor are willing to pay the World Record Fee Suarez talents demand, then I fully understand your stance...if however the measly figures touted around in the summer are anything to go by, then I hope he heads off to Brazil in the summer as player of the year, top premiership scorer and looking forward to representing Liverpool in season 2014/15 in the champions league, preferably as premiership champions( but I don't want to be too optimistic  :D )
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:26 pm

I expect the fee will be the same as the other players on his level as opposed to the over inflated Bale - obviously minus the lack of marketable image compared to others and you will find the fee will be in the £50mil region. £50 mil to be spent well on a couple of quality players to boost the squad.
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Postby damjan193 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:27 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:06 pm wrote:I don't want players who blatently don't want to be at the club and players who have shown nothing but disrespect to the club and the fans and players who have dragged our good name through the mud. I don't care how good that player is Yakka.

Benny, you always said that you wanted owners that would heavily invest in the team and practically turn this team into Chelsea or City. You didn't say that you want us to become a soulless club but that is what a huge investment will ultimately lead to. With that, we'll see players turn into mercenaries that don't give a Sh*t if they're kissing the liver bird, the red devil or the blue lion as long as we pay them good money and offer them top flight football, fighting for every trophy. So you will be able to handle that but you can't handle a single player that admittedly made a mess but is the best player in the league and will be the main reason if we have a top 4 finish this season?

Suarez hurt me no less than he hurt you and every other Liverpool fan. But to suggest that you want to get rid of our best player, who gives 200% every game, because he wanted to play at the highest level like every other world-class footballer is ridiculous.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:30 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:06 pm wrote:I don't want players who blatently don't want to be at the club and players who have shown nothing but disrespect to the club and the fans and players who have dragged our good name through the mud. I don't care how good that player is Yakka.


this club has got to be successful to remain relevant, look at the ashton gate 8, incredible story but no one cares because bristol city arent a successful club.
football is a massive business these days and thanks to people like thatcher and reagan modern business culture is f##king cut throat, there`s no room for sentimentality.
in this post thatcher world there`s just winners and losers ben
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:48 pm

damjan193 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:27 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:06 pm wrote:I don't want players who blatently don't want to be at the club and players who have shown nothing but disrespect to the club and the fans and players who have dragged our good name through the mud. I don't care how good that player is Yakka.

Benny, you always said that you wanted owners that would heavily invest in the team and practically turn this team into Chelsea or City. You didn't say that you want us to become a soulless club but that is what a huge investment will ultimately lead to. With that, we'll see players turn into mercenaries that don't give a Sh*t if they're kissing the liver bird, the red devil or the blue lion as long as we pay them good money and offer them top flight football, fighting for every trophy. So you will be able to handle that but you can't handle a single player that admittedly made a mess but is the best player in the league and will be the main reason if we have a top 4 finish this season?

Suarez hurt me no less than he hurt you and every other Liverpool fan. But to suggest that you want to get rid of our best player, who gives 200% every game, because he wanted to play at the highest level like every other world-class footballer is ridiculous.


I want ( still do ) the owners to buy quality players - I want the manager to but quality players , I don't want is wasting 15 mil on two players who will amount to nothing. I haven't mentioned anything about "badge kissing" or " mercenaries" - I don't have a problem with players motivated by money.

What I do have a problem with is players spending a quarter of each season banned because he can't behave himself , I don't want players who clearly don't want to be at the club.

Many players want to play at the highest level - they don't act like he did during the summer. I have no problem with Suarez wanting to play at a higher level - I don't blame him and understand why - I just don't like the way he went about it. I don't like that since day one he has brought trouble on the club. And last season and summer was the final straw for me. At some point enough is enough and the negative outweighs everything else. Some people can ignore what he has done - I can't.

So the sooner he goes the better for me.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:51 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:30 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:06 pm wrote:I don't want players who blatently don't want to be at the club and players who have shown nothing but disrespect to the club and the fans and players who have dragged our good name through the mud. I don't care how good that player is Yakka.


this club has got to be successful to remain relevant, look at the ashton gate 8, incredible story but no one cares because bristol city arent a successful club.
football is a massive business these days and thanks to people like thatcher and reagan modern business culture is f##king cut throat, there`s no room for sentimentality.
in this post thatcher world there`s just winners and losers ben


Sorry but there is room for respect. If it was business Suarez would have been fired. Sorry Yakka but there is still a place in our club for sentiment and morales and a good image and more importantly respect.
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Postby woof woof ! » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:06 pm

At some point enough is enough and the negative outweighs everything else. Some people can ignore what he has done - I can't.

So the sooner he goes the better for me.


???

Yeah ? . well this thread is the Luis Suarez thread and NOT the "What's better for Benny" thread.

If Luis keeps playing the way he has I'm more than happy to see him lining up for us at every opportunity, and long may those opportunities continue  :buttrock .
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