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QPR manager Harry Redknapp has told Luis Suarez to turn down a "sideways" move to Arsenal.

The former Spurs boss has found himself backing Brendan Rodgers' stance on the player, and thinks that the Uruguayan forward needs to repay his debt to the club that stuck by him in more difficult times.

"It's time for him to realise he owes Liverpool,"

"He owes the fans who have stuck by him, he owes manager Rodgers for doing likewise... everyone inside the place really. They've backed him to the hilt."

Arsenal's long-running and public interest in the player has riled Anfield figures, but moving to the Emirates for Champions League football would be a foolish decision reckons Redknapp.

"Suarez insists he wants to go for Champions League football and, if that was Real Madrid, Barcelona, or maybe Bayern Munich, perhaps you would think 'fair enough'.

"OK, he would get a few games in the competiton he is desperate to play in. But I just don't see Arsenal as a side that can genuinely win it."



Even Redders giving his input now .  Wenger and Arsenal  getting pilloried from all sides it seems.

Benny The Noon » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:45 am wrote:

eds » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:39 am wrote:
Exactly.

First of all I'm not convinced he would take us court knowing that there is almost a certain chance he will lose.

Second as mentioned if he is stupid enough to break his contract by either not playing or pushing things through the courts (where the outcome is inevitable), then he can sit him in the reserves. We should under no circumstances bullied by a player or club to sell, if we do we might as well shut down the club right now.

Thirdly if Bale does go for this stupid reported amount of 100m, then that instantly should be the price tag slapped on Suarez for any club.

As for the gooners they can get f**ked for all I care, hopefully the silly f**kers get knocked out in the CL playoffs.

He has already taken one club to court knowing that he possibly wouldn't win and still did

And shoving Suarez into the reserves will never happen - its great to think that but in reality it will be just counter productive. Might as well sell him and use the money to buy a couple quality players.

And Suarez will never go for the same as Bale regardless of the ability.

I think there is a big, big difference between taking Gronigen to court as compared to taking Liverpool FC to court.

Especially considering his current reputation in the UK and how the public perceives him.

If you were Suarez, you would need to consider the following:

- The (both mental and financial) fallout of him having to do this
- The level of negativity and abuse he will get from EVERY single Liverpool fan for the rest of his life, his only major backing fanbase left in Europe
- The risk of the courts coming down heavily on him and punishing him even further
- And even if he does win, the risk of Arsenal not making the CL next season (or even this season)

These are major things Benny, that Suarez and his camp will be giving some rationale thought before even considering making such an extreme decision.

At the end of the day I don't think its that easy and its something that he would not be deciding on lightly, even based on his prior history.

Regardless, I think we both agree on one fundamental thing. If there is anything to learn from this whole sordid Suarez ordeal its that we need new owners, ones that are willing to back Rodgers in the transfer market and that are truly "hell-bent" on getting us CL footbalL and beyond that challenging for the title (season in, season out) because at this moment in time I haven't seen ANYTHING from them to prove this.

Spot on there Eds, we need owners who will heavily back BR to buy the players he wants. To succeed in today's PL, you need mega rich owners. This FSG's plan of buying young players and let them mature to become stars and shoot us into top 4 finish one day is only a fantasy that only worked in the pre CL era. Look at this Suarez saga now? Is their plan working? While you're waiting for your youngsters to mature and if the club does not have CL football, they and including your star names will want to go, period. What Mr.Suarez is doing now is concrete proof of that. I know it's still early days to judge FSG, but by next May, we should know whether they are worthy owners of a club like Liverpool that has high ambitions. Owners have the vital financial role to play and as far as I can see, FSG are no match to owners of Chels and City.

eds » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:59 am wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:45 am wrote:

eds » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:39 am wrote:
Exactly.

First of all I'm not convinced he would take us court knowing that there is almost a certain chance he will lose.

Second as mentioned if he is stupid enough to break his contract by either not playing or pushing things through the courts (where the outcome is inevitable), then he can sit him in the reserves. We should under no circumstances bullied by a player or club to sell, if we do we might as well shut down the club right now.

Thirdly if Bale does go for this stupid reported amount of 100m, then that instantly should be the price tag slapped on Suarez for any club.

As for the gooners they can get f**ked for all I care, hopefully the silly f**kers get knocked out in the CL playoffs.

He has already taken one club to court knowing that he possibly wouldn't win and still did

And shoving Suarez into the reserves will never happen - its great to think that but in reality it will be just counter productive. Might as well sell him and use the money to buy a couple quality players.

And Suarez will never go for the same as Bale regardless of the ability.

I think there is a big, big difference between taking Gronigen to court as compared to taking Liverpool FC to court.

Especially considering his current reputation in the UK and how the public perceives him.

If you were Suarez, you would need to consider the following:

- The (both mental and financial) fallout of him having to do this
- The level of negativity and abuse he will get from EVERY single Liverpool fan for the rest of his life, his only major backing fanbase left in Europe
- The risk of the courts coming down heavily on him and punishing him even further
- And even if he does win, the risk of Arsenal not making the CL next season (or even this season)

These are major things Benny, that Suarez and his camp will be giving some rationale thought before even considering making such an extreme decision.

At the end of the day I don't think its that easy and its something that he would not be deciding on lightly, even based on his prior history.

I don't think Suarez really cares what people think of him - upsetting fanbases doesn't really seem to be a problem for him. Any fallout won't bother him in guessing.

The courts won't punish him - that's not the type of court he is going too.

The one risk is Arsenal failing to reach CL - but it's 16 years in a row now apparently.

Regardless, I think we both agree on one fundamental thing. If there is anything to learn from this whole sordid Suarez ordeal its that we need new owners, ones that are willing to back Rodgers in the transfer market and that are truly "hell-bent" on getting us CL footbalL and beyond that challenging for the title (season in, season out) because at this moment in time I haven't seen ANYTHING from them to prove this.

Our owners have ambition but I think they believe there to be another way to reach CL instead of buying quality proven players - they are trying the long way and hoping the FFP is fully intergrated into the game. It's honourable but it won't bring us what we all want and need. Said before that we are acting like a mid table club and that's what we will finish this season again. That's why players like Suarez want to leave and I don't think it will be long until he is followed by others.

From the Mirror

By Darren Lewis 6 Comments
If Luis Suarez is worth half a Gareth Bale, do the facts match those price tags?
4 Aug 2013 22:30
One's got a £100million+ ticket - the other's being rated at less than half that price. But who added most value last season?

 


John Powell
They both carried their teams on their backs last season yet one is deemed to be worth twice the value of the other.

Gareth Bale’s 26 goals for Tottenham were an outstanding return for a winger and made him the go-to guy once the goals dried up for Emmanuel Adebayor and Jermain Defoe.

But Luis Suarez struck 30 times for Liverpool last year, the first player so to do since Fernando Torres in the 2007/8 campaign.

Brendan Rodgers has expressed his confusion at the fact that Arsenal expect to get 26-year-old Suarez for just £40million while Real Madrid are having to sell off the family silver to raise up to £105million for 24-year-old Bale.

While Rodgers is clearly trying to get the best possible price he can for a player that he knows wants out of Anfield, it is hard to disagree with his view that Bale is not twice the player that Suarez is.

In fact, Suarez performed marginally better in the Premier League last season.

Both players played 33 times in the top flight but Suarez hit 23 goals compared to just 21 from Bale.



In terms of assists, Suarez edges it there as well with five goals to Bale’s four. And in percentage terms the value of both players to their clubs was equal with each scoring 32percent of their team’s goals.

Yes, Suarez has baggage with his short fuse offsetting his undoubted brilliance. But it will be interesting to see whether Rodgers gains any support for his view that Suarez is grossly underrated.

Either way, should Suarez join Bale in Madrid both players will do well to match the feats of footballing shock and awe set by Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Last season Ronaldo hit a superb 34 goals in 34 appearances and, including assists, created 62 chances.

Leo Messi hit a staggering 46 goals in 31 La Liga appearances - a shooting accuracy of 62percent - and, including assists, created 46 chances.

No pressure then...

Bale vs Suarez, pure numbers, no opinions

Premier League 2012-13

Gareth Bale, Luis Suárez

Appearances 33 33

Starts 33 33

Minutes On Pitch 2,924 2,955

GOAL ATTEMPTS

Goals 21 23

Mins per goal 139 128

Headed goals 1 3

Right footed goals 4 15

Left footed goals 16 5

Goals inside box 12 18

Goals outside box 9 5

Penalty goals 0 0

Direct free kick goals 2 2

Shots 133 143

Total shots (including blocked) 165 187

Shots On Target 73 72

Shots Off Target 60 71

Shooting Accuracy 54.9% 50.3%

Chance Conversion 15.8% 16.1%

Blocked shots 32 44

% of Team Goals 31.8% 32.4%

PASSING

Touches 2096 2059

Touches per game 63.5 62.4

Goal Assists 4 5

Key Passes 71 86

Total Passes 1,131 1,203

Pass Completion % 79% 77%

Pass Completion in final third % 72% 72%

DUELS

Duels 445 552

Duels won % 44% 38%

CROSSING

Total Crosses 272 58

Cross Completion % 23% 28%

DRIBBLING

Dribbles & Runs 154 291

Dribble Completion % 38% 33%

DEFENDING

Tackles Made 33 42

Tackles Won % 73% 81%

Blocks 3 3

Clearances 60 3

Interceptions 42 18

DISCIPLINE

Fouls 24 48

Fouls won 47 61

Offside 11 39

Yellow Cards 6 10

Red Cards         0       0

From the Mirror

By Darren Lewis 6 Comments
If Luis Suarez is worth half a Gareth Bale, do the facts match those price tags?
4 Aug 2013 22:30
One's got a £100million+ ticket - the other's being rated at less than half that price. But who added most value last season?

 


John Powell
They both carried their teams on their backs last season yet one is deemed to be worth twice the value of the other.

Gareth Bale’s 26 goals for Tottenham were an outstanding return for a winger and made him the go-to guy once the goals dried up for Emmanuel Adebayor and Jermain Defoe.

But Luis Suarez struck 30 times for Liverpool last year, the first player so to do since Fernando Torres in the 2007/8 campaign.

Brendan Rodgers has expressed his confusion at the fact that Arsenal expect to get 26-year-old Suarez for just £40million while Real Madrid are having to sell off the family silver to raise up to £105million for 24-year-old Bale.

While Rodgers is clearly trying to get the best possible price he can for a player that he knows wants out of Anfield, it is hard to disagree with his view that Bale is not twice the player that Suarez is.

In fact, Suarez performed marginally better in the Premier League last season.

Both players played 33 times in the top flight but Suarez hit 23 goals compared to just 21 from Bale.



In terms of assists, Suarez edges it there as well with five goals to Bale’s four. And in percentage terms the value of both players to their clubs was equal with each scoring 32percent of their team’s goals.

Yes, Suarez has baggage with his short fuse offsetting his undoubted brilliance. But it will be interesting to see whether Rodgers gains any support for his view that Suarez is grossly underrated.

Either way, should Suarez join Bale in Madrid both players will do well to match the feats of footballing shock and awe set by Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Last season Ronaldo hit a superb 34 goals in 34 appearances and, including assists, created 62 chances.

Leo Messi hit a staggering 46 goals in 31 La Liga appearances - a shooting accuracy of 62percent - and, including assists, created 46 chances.

No pressure then...

Bale vs Suarez, pure numbers, no opinions

Premier League 2012-13

Gareth Bale, Luis Suárez

Appearances 33 33

Starts 33 33

Minutes On Pitch 2,924 2,955

GOAL ATTEMPTS

Goals 21 23

Mins per goal 139 128

Headed goals 1 3

Right footed goals 4 15

Left footed goals 16 5

Goals inside box 12 18

Goals outside box 9 5

Penalty goals 0 0

Direct free kick goals 2 2

Shots 133 143

Total shots (including blocked) 165 187

Shots On Target 73 72

Shots Off Target 60 71

Shooting Accuracy 54.9% 50.3%

Chance Conversion 15.8% 16.1%

Blocked shots 32 44

% of Team Goals 31.8% 32.4%

PASSING

Touches 2096 2059

Touches per game 63.5 62.4

Goal Assists 4 5

Key Passes 71 86

Total Passes 1,131 1,203

Pass Completion % 79% 77%

Pass Completion in final third % 72% 72%

DUELS

Duels 445 552

Duels won % 44% 38%

CROSSING

Total Crosses 272 58

Cross Completion % 23% 28%

DRIBBLING

Dribbles & Runs 154 291

Dribble Completion % 38% 33%

DEFENDING

Tackles Made 33 42

Tackles Won % 73% 81%

Blocks 3 3

Clearances 60 3

Interceptions 42 18

DISCIPLINE

Fouls 24 48

Fouls won 47 61

Offside 11 39

Yellow Cards 6 10

Red Cards         0       0

If Suarez was squeaky clean then his price tag would be very high. Bales price tag is massively inflated - not sure really why it is but that's Madrids choice.

For better comparison on what the current price tags should be for the top players then just need to look at both Cavani and Falcao , both those players are World Class - they are just below the likes of Ronaldo and Messi , both of them went for around the £50-55 mil mark. That's the going rate, that's what Bale should go for and that's the price that you would expect Suarez to be worth - expect for one thing that brings down his price - the biting , the racsim charge , all the little extras you get with him bring a risk of not playing a full season.

In the last three seasons he has had bans of 7,10 and 8 games - that's nearly a quarter of the season he misses - teams will be wary of that and will look to knock a good 5-10mil of his price tag .

Bales price tag is just stupidly inflated - he is a quality player but not worth £80mil let alone £100mil. That's a one off price tag not the norm

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:02 am wrote:If Suarez was squeaky clean then his price tag would be very high. Bales price tag is massively inflated - not sure really why it is but that's Madrids choice.

For better comparison on what the current price tags should be for the top players then just need to look at both Cavani and Falcao , both those players are World Class - they are just below the likes of Ronaldo and Messi , both of them went for around the £50-55 mil mark. That's the going rate, that's what Bale should go for and that's the price that you would expect Suarez to be worth - expect for one thing that brings down his price - the biting , the racsim charge , all the little extras you get with him bring a risk of not playing a full season.

In the last three seasons he has had bans of 7,10 and 8 games - that's nearly a quarter of the season he misses - teams will be wary of that and will look to knock a good 5-10mil of his price tag .

Bales price tag is just stupidly inflated - he is a quality player but not worth £80mil let alone £100mil. That's a one off price tag not the norm

Apparently it is supposed to be paid over five years which means it is 100 million in principle but not in practice.

kazza » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:24 am wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:02 am wrote:If Suarez was squeaky clean then his price tag would be very high. Bales price tag is massively inflated - not sure really why it is but that's Madrids choice.

For better comparison on what the current price tags should be for the top players then just need to look at both Cavani and Falcao , both those players are World Class - they are just below the likes of Ronaldo and Messi , both of them went for around the £50-55 mil mark. That's the going rate, that's what Bale should go for and that's the price that you would expect Suarez to be worth - expect for one thing that brings down his price - the biting , the racsim charge , all the little extras you get with him bring a risk of not playing a full season.

In the last three seasons he has had bans of 7,10 and 8 games - that's nearly a quarter of the season he misses - teams will be wary of that and will look to knock a good 5-10mil of his price tag .

Bales price tag is just stupidly inflated - he is a quality player but not worth £80mil let alone £100mil. That's a one off price tag not the norm

Apparently it is supposed to be paid over five years which means it is 100 million in principle but not in practice.

Thats just a disgusting price to play - only one player in the world is worth close to that and it's not Bale.

I want this Suarez saga to be over with already. The season starts very soon, and I don't want what happened with Torres repeating itself this time round.

If we leave it till the last minute to sell Suarez 2 things could happen.

1. We haven't got time to find a replacement and go into the season short on strikers once again just like last season.

2. Pay over the odds for a average player because we are desperate and teams will know how much funds we have through the media circus surrounding Suarez.


Seems like we are making the same mistakes every year in the transfer market..

It makes me laugh. The press have vilified Suarez at every opportunity they have got and because he has decided not to respond to anyone in the English press all you get now are stupid stories, rumours and bs because they have nothing else. All you read now is "sources close to the player said..." and yet the actual sources close to the player i.e the manager ! tell a different story.

The press are getting nothing because of the way they have treated him. And to be honest, who can blame Suarez for not responding to any of them?

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Entire #LFC team acknowledges the Kop at end of open training. Only one abstainer again #Suarez

UvS xR4GEx » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:29 am wrote:I want this Suarez saga to be over with already. The season starts very soon, and I don't want what happened with Torres repeating itself this time round.

If we leave it till the last minute to sell Suarez 2 things could happen.

1. We haven't got time to find a replacement and go into the season short on strikers once again just like last season.

2. Pay over the odds for a average player because we are desperate and teams will know how much funds we have through the media circus surrounding Suarez.


Seems like we are making the same mistakes every year in the transfer market..

Very harsh to fault LFC for this, we've handled it brilliantly. We deserve his value regardless of how he tries to pull it off. Loads of fans these days say contracts aren't worth anything these days but for me its been great to see the way we're holding Suarez and and the Mancs are holding Rooney to the deals they signed unless we get an offer that's reflective of his value. I want it to be over too, and if Arsenal (or anyone else) bids £55m it probably will be, if they don't then he stays, can't fault the club for that

The fault the club can have is the ambition and results shown since he arrived- not good enough to satisfy his needs ( and it should be the fans needs ) .

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:55 pm wrote:The fault the club can have is the ambition and results shown since he arrived- not good enough to satisfy his needs ( and it should be the fans needs ) .

You want an Arab to take over?