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Reg » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:54 am wrote:I struggle to see why a player like Higuain would want to come to Liverpool, the two profiles don't match, lets be realistic.

Why would we want Higuain in the first place?....Too slow.

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:29 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:56 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:50 am wrote:Torres also signed a new contract just before he left also

Yes he signed a new contract to allow himself to get a lot more wages and possibly add in a release clause. Players only sign new contracts that benefit themselves.

I'm pretty sure that you are not that niave to believe modern players when they declare love for clubs etc.

Again Torres and Masher etc declared their love blah and at the first chance they were gone ! What makes Suarez any different ?

I'm not ignoring anything he says about "off" the pitch - I just don't believe him

Remember his words not so long ago - the media don't bother me , I just ignore them.

He can blame the off field stuff ( of which he must take some responsibility for ) as much as wants - he is a modern footballer - experience shows me that I can take his words with a pinch of salt.

Torres felt let down by the club because Rafa was sacked by twit and tw@t and thats why he left, and went to chelsea of all places

This is a totally different scenario and yet you are determined to prove your point with dubious evidence
You are stuck in your mind set and you cant escape it. Youre a prisoner to your affliction


By the way when was the last time Fail Madrid were in the CL final?

What does Madrid last  being in the CL final have to do with anything ?

Last season they won La Liga and this year it was CL semis

I think it was 2003 they last won the CL

They are in it every season and always in the knockout rounds and pick up trophies every season pretty much. Players pick up a nice haul of medals there as well as good money.

They offer everything we can't and everything the top players want - success.

You're all over the place you whopper!
Let me enlighten you, in case you didnt know how to type it into Google. Real Madrid last won the CL in 2002, thats ELEVEN years ago.
Never mind La Liga, you specifically focussed on the CL. Madrid can offer qualification and a run in the competition and thats all. Plus they are about to lose their manager and will have to go through an upheaval where many of their best players could leave. Yet you insist ad nauseum and beyond reason that Suarez should quit LFC for success at Madrid, which they clearly havent had in the competition for over a decade! By the way, we won it in 2005.... 

Your argument, like yourself, is weak and wet and yet you still persist with your point
Fascinating...

thommo, like it or not real madrid are generally regarded as the biggest team in the world, they have held that title since the days when the likes of puskas, di stefano, santamaria etc used to make very good sides look like the washington generals (when they were up against the harlem globetrotters).
when they come in for a player no matter how big you are you have got a fight on your hands to keep hold of them, as barcelona found out with figo, united found out with ronaldo and AC milan found out with kaka.

only me » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:47 am wrote:

Reg » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:54 am wrote:I struggle to see why a player like Higuain would want to come to Liverpool, the two profiles don't match, lets be realistic.

Why would we want Higuain in the first place?....Too slow.

Because he scores goals - lots of them. For someone who is "too slow" he seems to have done ok

we once signed a striker that scored lots of goals... Andy carroll was his name.

nothing to do with the subject but i was bored and wanted to join in.

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:08 am wrote:

only me » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:47 am wrote:

Reg » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:54 am wrote:I struggle to see why a player like Higuain would want to come to Liverpool, the two profiles don't match, lets be realistic.

Why would we want Higuain in the first place?....Too slow.

Because he scores goals - lots of them. For someone who is "too slow" he seems to have done ok

.....in a team that dominates most of it`s matches.
spain is like scotland, it`s a 2 horse race and has been since the league started, 2 clubs have got all the power.
if you play for one of those 2 clubs you are going to score goals, even if you are average.

Thommo's perm » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:48 am wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:29 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:56 pm wrote:
Torres felt let down by the club because Rafa was sacked by twit and tw@t and thats why he left, and went to chelsea of all places

This is a totally different scenario and yet you are determined to prove your point with dubious evidence
You are stuck in your mind set and you cant escape it. Youre a prisoner to your affliction


By the way when was the last time Fail Madrid were in the CL final?

What does Madrid last  being in the CL final have to do with anything ?

Last season they won La Liga and this year it was CL semis

I think it was 2003 they last won the CL

They are in it every season and always in the knockout rounds and pick up trophies every season pretty much. Players pick up a nice haul of medals there as well as good money.

They offer everything we can't and everything the top players want - success.

You're all over the place you whopper!
Let me enlighten you, in case you didnt know how to type it into Google. Real Madrid last won the CL in 2002, thats ELEVEN years ago.
Never mind La Liga, you specifically focussed on the CL. Madrid can offer qualification and a run in the competition and thats all. Plus they are about to lose their manager and will have to go through an upheaval where many of their best players could leave. Yet you insist ad nauseum and beyond reason that Suarez should quit LFC for success at Madrid, which they clearly havent had in the competition for over a decade! By the way, we won it in 2005.... 

Your argument, like yourself, is weak and wet and yet you still persist with your point
Fascinating...

Yes they can offer qualification and a run to the knockout every year and we can offer ....... No qualification at all - nothing , zero , zip - not even Europa League.

Yes we won it 8 years ago - Suarez doesn't care about that - he will care about winning things right now and playing in the biggest competition In club football - two things he won't get with us - 2 things he can get with Madrid.

You really are clutching at straws.

We finished 7th in the Prem - Madrid were semi finalists in CL , won the Copa Del Ray and second in La Liga and will compete in the CL.

There is a clear difference between the two clubs. Clear difference.

redno7 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:11 am wrote:we once signed a striker that scored lots of goals... Andy carroll was his name.

nothing to do with the subject but i was bored and wanted to join in.

Nowhere near the record of Higuain

109 goals in 190 games. That's an outstanding record

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:13 am wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:08 am wrote:

only me » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:47 am wrote:
Why would we want Higuain in the first place?....Too slow.

Because he scores goals - lots of them. For someone who is "too slow" he seems to have done ok

.....in a team that dominates most of it`s matches.
spain is like scotland, it`s a 2 horse race and has been since the league started, 2 clubs have got all the power.
if you play for one of those 2 clubs you are going to score goals, even if you are average.

He also has 20 in 32 games for Argentina

Higuain is a outstanding striker and would score goals for fun in the prem.

To compare the La Liga to the Scottish prem shows a lack of knowledge of the game over there. Yes they have two stand outs but there are plenty of top quality players and teams in the league.

From Skynews:

Luis Suarez' admission that he expects to leave Liverpool this summer comes as a bit of a shock. But although Liverpool still insist he is not for sale, cashing in on the temperamental Uruguayan could work in their favour - just like the sale of the man he replaced, Fernando Torres, did.

Back in January 2011 when Kenny Dalglish opened his chequebook to bring Suarez to Anfield, he will have been well aware of his controversial tendencies. At the time of the switch, he'd just completed a seven-match ban for biting PSV's Otmann Bakkal whilst playing for Ajax, and his antics in the 2010 World Cup were also still fresh in the memory having seen red for using his hand to keep out a goal-bound effort from Ghana in the quarter-finals. But Dalglish will have hoped that the new surroundings and the pressures of playing for Liverpool would help the 24-year old to mature and allow his football to do the talking - which more often than not, it has.

Controversy


Suarez - Not about the money
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Suarez has been unplayable at times during his spell at Liverpool - particularly this season when he netted 23 goals in 33 Premier League appearances, a prolific return for a team who spent large chunks of the campaign lingering in mid-table. Subsequent to his arrival in 2011, his impact was almost overshadowed by fellow deadline day signing Andy Carroll's inability to find the net, but out of the spotlight, he established himself as a key figure at Anfield, helping Dalglish's side to a top-six finish. However, the following season his form mirrored Liverpool's as both player and club struggled to recreate the potential shown in the second-half of the previous year. Perhaps hampered by Suarez' absence for eight games after being found guilty of racism towards Manchester United's Patrice Evra, as he became embroiled in his first major controversy on Merseyside.

Things seemed to have cooled down by the time the two sides met at Old Trafford the following February, but Suarez' refusal to shake Evra's hand sparked things off once again. The striker signed a new long-term deal at Anfield last summer and after a blistering start to the season, scoring 10 goals in his first 12 league games; it looked like he was finally letting his talents prevail over his shortcomings. He remained prolific throughout the season and was deservingly nominated for the PFA Player of the Year award. But in April came another moment of madness when he bit Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic on the arm during their 2-2 draw at Anfield. As a result, he was handed a 10-game ban, hampering Brendan Rodgers' plans for the start of next season.

Potential replacements

Despite his flaws, the idea of selling Suarez after the season he has just had would be unthinkable to most Liverpool fans. But providing the potential transfer fee received for him is re-invested wisely, they could actually end up in a much more favourable position to mount a serious fight for a UEFA Champions League spot. This year has seen a number of Premier League strikers burst onto the scene and rock the goal scoring charts in their debut seasons. Aston Villa's Christian Benteke or Swansea's Michu could be realistic signings should Liverpool chose to re-invest in a striker, but there is no doubt that Brendan Rodgers would be forced into paying inflated prices for either player - who would have been available as a duo for under £10million at this time last year. Rodgers may look to emulate their successes though by using his scouting network to bring in a relatively unknown at a bargain price, but the demanding Anfield crowd will want instant rewards from any replacement if their prize asset is to be sold.

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Real Madrid are the club believed to have shown an interest in Suarez and a part-exchange deal could be something that Rodgers looks towards should the Spanish giants make a move. Gonzalo Higuain could be allowed to leave the Bernabeu, although Liverpool would be unlikely to see much in terms of cash remaining after any potential deal. The Argentine striker is a proven goal scorer at the highest level, but the lack of Champions League football may a sticking point. The romantics amongst the Anfield faithful will also undoubtedly be pointing towards a return for Xabi Alonso, a player they've failed to replace since his departure in 2009, but again he will surely be demanding European football if he is set for an exit.

Ready-made alternatives

Rodgers may even choose to look closer to home to help appease the potential departure of Suarez. The form of January signings Daniel Sturridge and Coutinho gave Liverpool a new edge in the second-half of the season, meaning that they didn't need to rely so heavily on Suarez for the majority of their attacking output. Sturridge proved his worth in front of goal with a hat-trick in the win over Fulham and his contribution was a key factor in Liverpool's late push for a European place. Summer signing Fabio Borini has had a stop-start campaign due to injury problems, but after scoring his first Premier League goal last month, he'll be looking to kick-start his Liverpool career next season.

There's no doubting Suarez' ability and at times this season he has single-handedly carried Liverpool and won games on his own, but if Rodgers' side are to mount a serious push for European football next season, they could do without the pantomime that comes with him. Whether he stays or goes, Luis Suarez is likely to be a major factor in how Liverpool's season pans out.

Id love Higuain at the club just not as a replacement for Suarez.

Sturridge will want to play central therefore we would need a bit more pace outside. Higuain for all his fantastic play and goal scoring ability isnt blessed with pace.

Ive heard us linked with Jesus Navas which would be great. We could then play

Navas       Sturridge      Coutinho

Or maybe Sturridge should just play wider and play Higuain through the middle

Sturridge      Higuain    Coutinho

If Suarez does go then a statem,ent of a signing will beed to be made. One of the quality of Navas or Higuain aswell as Eriksen. If we cash in on Suarez and I think the board knows at the moment what they will do there should be NO reason why we shouldnt be signing Eriksen

Again they would all be good players to arrive - Navas especially ( as long as he brings his mum with him )

But we will be competing against CL clubs for these players. We would have to offer lots of money in wages - will the owners do that ?

We could well be looking at players like Michu or Benteke

Higuain won't be coming to Liverpool.

LFC1990 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:48 am wrote:Id love Higuain at the club just not as a replacement for Suarez.

Sturridge will want to play central therefore we would need a bit more pace outside. Higuain for all his fantastic play and goal scoring ability isnt blessed with pace.

Ive heard us linked with Jesus Navas which would be great. We could then play

Navas       Sturridge      Coutinho

Or maybe Sturridge should just play wider and play Higuain through the middle

Sturridge      Higuain    Coutinho

If Suarez does go then a statem,ent of a signing will beed to be made. One of the quality of Navas or Higuain aswell as Eriksen. If we cash in on Suarez and I think the board knows at the moment what they will do there should be NO reason why we shouldnt be signing Eriksen

Coutinho would be more effective in the hole behind Sturridge and not out wide on the right.

i wouldnt go for a central striker type, that just pushes sturridge out wide where he isnt as effective. it might even force coutinho out wide too which reduces his effectiveness.
given sturridge`s form since he has been at the club (and his ability to link up with coutinho) i think he deserves the chance to be our No1 striker next season.
i`d go for wide forwards who complement the system and the coutinho/sturridge axis
muriel would be perfect and i`d love to see the under rated brian ruiz here too, i think those 4 would be great to watch.
navas to me looks too lightweight for the prem and he gets notoriously home sick, we had all that carry on with collymore, not for me thanks.
we are throwing all these names into the hat but knowing liverpool we`ll bring aspas and atsu in and thats it!
btw that luis alberto looks a top, top prospect, as dissappointed as i am that we`ve gone for a `hard running` player in aspas i`m over the moon that we are being linked with classy players like that alberto lad.