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He got further on less.

So you'd have to ask the owners that. But it appears Rodgers is staying so that answers your question really.

If you're dirty about the different standards set by FSG, don't shoot Rodgers for it, which is basically what you're doing.

I know the owners have changed their own expectations and demands - they were unrealistic last season and they treated a club legend in a very disrespectful manner despite him actually winning a trophy. They treated his achievements appallingly.

I know BR is staying - there is zero chance of the owners letting him go - the only way they would have sacked him is if we got relegated.

They are going to afford him the time Kenny should have been afforded. But another season of disappointment won't go down well with the fans.

Anfield is already a graveyard as it is - more tourist day trippers than fans at the moment - people with i pads at the game !! The atmosphere is horrific. Another season of disappointment and we won't need a bigger stadium

I like Brendan, irrespective of the past he IS our current manager and I think that he will do a good job for us. He doesn't strike me as a journeyman and I think that is only good for the club. Most of the 'alternative' big names are ALL journeymen and not suited to our traditions, imho.

I echo most of the sentiment on here of the progress made, there is actually something DIFFERENT about the way we finished this season. I think we got more things right than wrong and that definitely wasn't the case at the end of last season when I was also making excuses for Kenny to be given another chance. I would have supported that for sure, but I do feel we have taken a step out of the shadow that has been covering us for at least 5 years and maybe even 10. The media is slowly changing their tune to us and we are starting to become a viable concept for players to come and play for.

I find it strange to hear everyone talking about Brendans naivety and the learning curve. I feel that everyone attributes that to his 'relative' inexperience, but for me it is more down to the fact that he didn't have a full transfer window and clearly the alignments were not in place in the same way that they were in January and that led to the situations that played out. For me the fact that he has adapted so quickly to the challenges shows he had the capabilities, but for the first half of the season he was still learning about his players and conversely they were learning a new style. Managing any group of people is less to do with the technical capabilities and more to do with the environment and how trusted/safe people feel. If Brendan is guilty of anything it's really only been for putting faith in some people for perhaps longer than he should, but hindsight is 20/20 and few could argue with putting faith in players and giving them a chance to shine. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I think the Jan window was a statement of intent and a sign of things to come and no one can argue with Coutinho (Gerrard replacement in the making) and Sturridge, both had direct impact, they strengthened the team, gave more options and we have looked less like a one trick pony since then.

It was always clear defensively we were gonna be shaky and that is really where we have let ourselves down this season. It has to be and clearly will be a major point of focus this summer and I think it will transform us next season. We have already seen the impact of 1 or 2 players stepping up the quality. It changes the confidence of the rest and it changes the dynamic. If you don't trust your back four, you're in trouble and this most likely plays a big role today. Next season will be a different story hopefully.

Onwards and upwards, we're miles further ahead than we were last season even if the points and position don't necessarily reflect it at the moment. Transformation is like renovating a house, you gut it first and things look worse, you do a lot of prep work that takes all the time and the progress is not obvious, then you lay a floor and the empty shell looks quickly like a room, you add some furnishing and you have a home. We're about to lay the floor.

YNWA

things had to change under Kenny though mate, whilst he won us a cup and finished 8th he wasn't the right candidate to take us forward. FSG know he's a legend at the club but thats all very well, they want a younger manager who can progress the play style and who believes in the system they are trying to put into place. Kenny wasn't that man despite winning the FA cup. BR fits that mold for them though, if he is successful in the next few years he'll be here a long while, stability is what we needed.

Why wasnt Kenny that man ?

Just because the owners wanted a younger person ( owners who know little about the sport )

Kenny wasn't given a full chance to show he can add to his list of trophies won as a manager.

If there was a DoF in place or someone who actually knows the game when they were making these choices then I would have more confidence but they are money/business men making football choices.

BR is young and has ideas but they are very much unproven with minimal track record of success. It's putting a lot of faith into something that isn't proven to work in the prem - it's putting a lot of faith into someone who hasn't proven himself. That's not the sort of management structure I want in place at the club - there is no one there where you can feel confident about. That worries me -

Benny The Noon » Wed May 22, 2013 11:08 am wrote:Why wasnt Kenny that man ?

Just because the owners wanted a younger person ( owners who know little about the sport )

Kenny wasn't given a full chance to show he can add to his list of trophies won as a manager.

If there was a DoF in place or someone who actually knows the game when they were making these choices then I would have more confidence but they are money/business men making football choices.

BR is young and has ideas but they are very much unproven with minimal track record of success. It's putting a lot of faith into something that isn't proven to work in the prem - it's putting a lot of faith into someone who hasn't proven himself. That's not the sort of management structure I want in place at the club - there is no one there where you can feel confident about. That worries me -

Benny if you don't mind, I shall wait for Kenny to say he was mistreated by our current owners, and as far as I know he hasn't said anything of the sort yet, time will tell. I'm happy to wait. But before that, i'll not damn our owners, especially after we have seen what Muppets can do (H&G).

That chapter has closed, let's look forward.

I'm not that religious, but faith is important. BR has potential, and I also like to think our support in the stands, in forums and also at home in front of the TV means something.

We can be critical, we can be upset, but if we continue to bash a dead horse, it may seem like a crusade....... for what? for who? We can't wish for a billionaire owner, with unlimited funds, attracting managers like moaniho. In life I tend to do things the hard way, Liverpool seems the same, not to say I like it, but the rewards are sweeter, ala 2005.

Kenny wasn't that man at all. His managerial style was totally different to what we should be aiming for. It was clear for all to see.

Kenny had to go because of his catastrophic dealings in the transfer market. We spent close to 80m in the transfer window and got worse! FSG couldn't trust him anymore with money. I know he is a legend but it was obvious to me at least that his tactics were not working either. I really like BR and the way we play now. He's the right man. We just need to have a stormer in the summer and solidify the defense and we will be on out way.

8m for Coutinho and 12m for Sturridge is a steal! The only transfer that looks like a complete waste is Borini. Allen will come good eventually. I think Asaidi will come good too. He had a hernia last season and played in the African cup of nations with Morocco. He's definitely one for the future

redno7 » Wed May 22, 2013 11:49 am wrote:Kenny wasn't that man at all. His managerial style was totally different to what we should be aiming for. It was clear for all to see.

this is the most I have posted in a single day for the last several years, but Red, its comments like this that keep the endless debate going. Blanket statements that assume all agree. I guarantee your post will be pounced on and twisted.

Long may Kenny be a part of the club, in spirit or otherwise. He is not our manager now, nor does he want to be (as far as I know).

I agree with what your saying Redhands but Borini has been unlucky with the injury and when he came on against the toon he scored with seconds and looked really up for it. Maybe he will come good given a proper run in the team. However, I can't help but think BR will strengthen the attack too this summer so maybe he won't get that chance.

Benny The Noon » Wed May 22, 2013 11:08 am wrote:Why wasnt Kenny that man ?

Just because the owners wanted a younger person ( owners who know little about the sport )

Kenny wasn't given a full chance to show he can add to his list of trophies won as a manager.

If there was a DoF in place or someone who actually knows the game when they were making these choices then I would have more confidence but they are money/business men making football choices.

BR is young and has ideas but they are very much unproven with minimal track record of success. It's putting a lot of faith into something that isn't proven to work in the prem - it's putting a lot of faith into someone who hasn't proven himself. That's not the sort of management structure I want in place at the club - there is no one there where you can feel confident about. That worries me -

So your beef is in actual fact with the owners and until otherwise you're going to go round these boards and take it out on Rodgers. Great.

Moaniho

   

Homebooby » Wed May 22, 2013 10:48 am wrote:I like Brendan, irrespective of the past he IS our current manager and I think that he will do a good job for us. He doesn't strike me as a journeyman and I think that is only good for the club. Most of the 'alternative' big names are ALL journeymen and not suited to our traditions, imho.

I echo most of the sentiment on here of the progress made, there is actually something DIFFERENT about the way we finished this season. I think we got more things right than wrong and that definitely wasn't the case at the end of last season when I was also making excuses for Kenny to be given another chance. I would have supported that for sure, but I do feel we have taken a step out of the shadow that has been covering us for at least 5 years and maybe even 10. The media is slowly changing their tune to us and we are starting to become a viable concept for players to come and play for.

I find it strange to hear everyone talking about Brendans naivety and the learning curve. I feel that everyone attributes that to his 'relative' inexperience, but for me it is more down to the fact that he didn't have a full transfer window and clearly the alignments were not in place in the same way that they were in January and that led to the situations that played out. For me the fact that he has adapted so quickly to the challenges shows he had the capabilities, but for the first half of the season he was still learning about his players and conversely they were learning a new style. Managing any group of people is less to do with the technical capabilities and more to do with the environment and how trusted/safe people feel. If Brendan is guilty of anything it's really only been for putting faith in some people for perhaps longer than he should, but hindsight is 20/20 and few could argue with putting faith in players and giving them a chance to shine. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I think the Jan window was a statement of intent and a sign of things to come and no one can argue with Coutinho (Gerrard replacement in the making) and Sturridge, both had direct impact, they strengthened the team, gave more options and we have looked less like a one trick pony since then.

It was always clear defensively we were gonna be shaky and that is really where we have let ourselves down this season. It has to be and clearly will be a major point of focus this summer and I think it will transform us next season. We have already seen the impact of 1 or 2 players stepping up the quality. It changes the confidence of the rest and it changes the dynamic. If you don't trust your back four, you're in trouble and this most likely plays a big role today. Next season will be a different story hopefully.

Onwards and upwards, we're miles further ahead than we were last season even if the points and position don't necessarily reflect it at the moment. Transformation is like renovating a house, you gut it first and things look worse, you do a lot of prep work that takes all the time and the progress is not obvious, then you lay a floor and the empty shell looks quickly like a room, you add some furnishing and you have a home. We're about to lay the floor.

YNWA

Good post mate. 

nice post homebooby