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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:14 pm

Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:49 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:25 pm wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/09/03/liverpool-fc-owner-john-henry-writes-letter-to-fans-after-transfer-deadline-day-disappointments-100252-31754456/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom

219 comments from literally fuming reds fans ....

Cant be ar'sed reading all them. Football fans are by nature moaners anyway.
Were in a situation that needs support not silence, like on sunday. Yes its frustrating and even frightening but people whinging and crying like arl tarts insnt going to help. Yes I know we all have a right to express our opinion but for fu'cks sake cant some people give it a rest?
Henry's letter is exactly what you would expect from a businessman: politician like, whereby he blames his predecessors. But he goes on to say they have had their own fu'ck ups:
"We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over."
He does it again:
"We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players."
I have no doubt that Dempsey sh'it on us from a great height. His bullsh'it "I dont want to go to Villa I want to go to Liverpool" kidded the bo'llocks of us. All of a sudden hes signed a 3 year deal with spurs, because we wouldnt pay £2 mill? My fu'ckin ar'se, he planned it all along to stay in london, the sly cu'nt.
We are guilty of naivety and rushing ahead without consolodating first. But Henrys right when he says weve got new talent as well as keeping Skrtl, Suarez and Agger. How many were crying their eyes out at the thought of any of these leaving? Arent you glad we kept them?
Cut them some slack. Ok we are not in an ideal position, but anyone who expected Rodgers to wave a magic wand after the last five years of absolute chaos and instability should go get their head tested.
Patience and support must be given by everyone. Otherwise you are deluded and YOU will bring bring the club down, not the yanks, or the manager or the players. The supporters will revive or kill LFC, mark my words...
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I understand completely what you say mate ,but the one constant that has remained solid right through these lean years has been our old school
supporters. I listened intently for the usual voices in the Kop shouting down the young dissenters ,and barking out the need for tolerance ,but even
they failed to materialize mate ... I think the last few years has delivered far too many low blows ,and even the old guard are losing their belief in
us turning the corner under these owners .

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:23 pm

The irony is that its now more than ever that they need to keep the faith?
I see even darker days ahead if people dont stop criticising. We are deluded if we think we will just slip into the top four like weve never been away. Maybe our time is up and we should just accept that we are top 6 at best? The bitters call us deluded, maybe we are and should treasure the past and forget the future?
One thing is sure, we will have to suffer before we get any joy and those who arent prepared to support should just fu'ck off because they will be a major part in our downfall.

by **The Hustler** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:35 pm

Blaming the owners by some is a bit unfair. They have spent how many millions 200m+ to buy the club, plus money spent on players under Dalglish showed their intent.

As far as I am concerned, the owners of a limited company don't always have a say in the day to day running of the club. That is Ian Ayres job- the Managing Director, is it not?

Choice of players, and whether they get to the club for a medical on time, beat the transfer deadline, agree a fee etc, has got nothing to do with the owners.

That lies with the manager, and Ian Ayre only.

Some should stop deflecting blame.

Stop blaming the owners, they are business people, and the world is in recession is it not.

Saying they are in it for the money....LFC..LOST 49m last year in their annual accounts, or something like it. And were in debt under Hicks and Gillette through loans etc etc.
Im sure there are far more profitable businesses than LFC, due to sponsorships, gate reciepts etc etc.

That is just a massive joke.

by **parchpea** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:55 pm

I recall Werner suggesting they will spend whatever it takes to restore glory but John Henry
is not saying that today after 2 years of poor management.

Dont think they have put that much in anyway and sales/wage cuts will have covered purchases.

They want success on the cheap but it doesnt happen Im afraid and if they cant deliver they
need to move it on to someone who can as no amount of talking will lower expectations at
Anfield.

by **celtic-red!** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:57 pm

parchpea » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:55 pm wrote:I recall Werner suggesting they will spend whatever it takes to restore glory but John Henry
is not saying that today after 2 years of poor management.

Dont think they have put that much in anyway and sales/wage cuts will have covered purchases.

They want success on the cheap but it doesnt happen Im afraid and if they cant deliver they
need to move it on to someone who can as no amount of talking will lower expectations at
Anfield.

yeah cause I am sure there is a billionaire waiting in the wings ready to buy the club..

Get real!!!

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:00 pm

Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:23 pm wrote:The irony is that its now more than ever that they need to keep the faith?

Seriously though mate ,do you want to be the one to tell them this ,after giving practically the best years of their life to this club ?

I would have to be completely mental to even attempt preaching to the wise ....They know something's afoot mate ,and I'm too long
in the tooth myself to argue with such intuition .

by **parchpea** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:11 pm

celtic-red! » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:57 pm wrote:
parchpea » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:55 pm wrote:I recall Werner suggesting they will spend whatever it takes to restore glory but John Henry
is not saying that today after 2 years of poor management.

Dont think they have put that much in anyway and sales/wage cuts will have covered purchases.

They want success on the cheap but it doesnt happen Im afraid and if they cant deliver they
need to move it on to someone who can as no amount of talking will lower expectations at
Anfield.

yeah cause I am sure there is a billionaire waiting in the wings ready to buy the club..

Get real!!!

They will sell it though I am confident of that.

Another 3 years max and they will be gone.

by **friendlyguy33** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:11 pm

The economics may not be to FSG's liking but in reality at some point they will have to accept that to get the best you have to pay the best, at least higher than they seem prepared to do at the moment.

It is quite unlikely that this club will ever become a force in Britain and abroad purely on though bringing in home grown talent. The mistakes over Kenny's signings does not mean that identifying top targets should be abandoned. Surely the potential signing of Sahin illustrates that the owners recognise that more quality will be required in the future.

The problem is though that the further the team slips down the premiership season after season the harder it becomes to attract that quality.

by **Penguins** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:42 pm

What american owners doesn't understand is that sports clubs works different on this side of the pond. in the US each year all clubs have the right to an equal amount of the talent pool that comes through in the world
To make it even more equal the teams that have done the worst the previous season get a little more from the comin g talent pool of 18 year old than the team that have done well.
Communism at it truest form in sports. No team is just allowed to buy as much as the want and whoever they want.

Here it is market economy that rules the day. if you do bad you become even worse the next season and the teams that are doing well, gets even more of the talent.
There is no "draft" to help Southampton to get the best young talents and prevents manure, city and Chelski to buy them all. But in the US it works like that.
That means a team that is doing poorly one season can ju sell all it players on high wages midseason, finish in the bottom and still challenge next season cause they get the best talents in the summer.

IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT HERE!!!

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:54 pm

Seriously. Do people really beleave the yanks still dont know how things work over here? Last year, yes, this year...? No way
We trusted a rat and have been scammed by Dempsey so people are raging at the owners and the manager. Without doubt there has been a fu'ck up. But it happens in football all the time.
Get over it people for fu'cks sake!

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:55 pm

Penguins, mate
That's college football, not the NFL

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:16 pm

Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:54 pm wrote:Seriously. Do people really beleave the yanks still dont know how things work over here? Last year, yes, this year...? No way
We trusted a rat and have been scammed by Dempsey so people are raging at the owners and the manager. Without doubt there has been a fu'ck up. But it happens in football all the time.
Get over it people for fu'cks sake!

the yanks have lurched from one f**k up to another, they appointed comoli on the say so of a baseball fella, then got rid of him after a year, then there was that belligerent statement over the suarez thing only to backtrack later (infact the whole way the suarez thing was handled by senior management at the club was a huge f**k up), they sacked kenny after he got to 2 cup finals and finished 8th (not great but not sackable imo), they upset pep segura with false promises to the extent that he f**ks off just as everyone was saying how good he was behind the scene`s (even the yanks thought he was good, they were going to make him a DoF)
then they said we were going to have 1 DoF, then that was upped to 2 DoF`s and then they changed their mind to no DoF`s.
the search for the manager even turned into a soap opera (dave whelan etc) which had half the country in stitches laughing at us, what a carry on that was.
they have been here over 2 years and there is no management structure in place, they change their minds every five minutes and inbetween that they insult the fans by basically saying the cups are worthless and they quite like the idea of that game 39 proposal.
you can add this transfer farce to that lot and i`m sure there`s a few more as well.

by **Boxscarf** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:56 pm

LFC1990 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:33 pm wrote:I dont think were "Saving up" I personally think Henry and Werner are seeing whether they can trust Rodgers with huge amounts of money. If we get top 4 this season which is still an easily manageable position to finish i can see them financing hugely in the summer of 2013.

You must be joking, they'll never invest a single penny of their own money into this club. We're going to have become a corporate prostitute in order to compete with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:58 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:16 pm wrote:
Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:54 pm wrote:Seriously. Do people really beleave the yanks still dont know how things work over here? Last year, yes, this year...? No way
We trusted a rat and have been scammed by Dempsey so people are raging at the owners and the manager. Without doubt there has been a fu'ck up. But it happens in football all the time.
Get over it people for fu'cks sake!

the yanks have lurched from one f**k up to another, they appointed comoli on the say so of a baseball fella, then got rid of him after a year, then there was that belligerent statement over the suarez thing only to backtrack later (infact the whole way the suarez thing was handled by senior management at the club was a huge f**k up), they sacked kenny after he got to 2 cup finals and finished 8th (not great but not sackable imo), they upset pep segura with false promises to the extent that he f**ks off just as everyone was saying how good he was behind the scene`s (even the yanks thought he was good, they were going to make him a DoF)
then they said we were going to have 1 DoF, then that was upped to 2 DoF`s and then they changed their mind to no DoF`s.
the search for the manager even turned into a soap opera (dave whelan etc) which had half the country in stitches laughing at us, what a carry on that was.
they have been here over 2 years and there is no management structure in place, they change their minds every five minutes and inbetween that they insult the fans by basically saying the cups are worthless and they quite like the idea of that game 39 proposal.
you can add this transfer farce to that lot and i`m sure there`s a few more as well.

We are never going to get the owners we want. NEVER
We can go on and on about how they get it wrong, they dont get football, they dont get US. Bla bla bla
We have got what weve got. End of. We cant keep moaning and saying: "We dont like you. Go away. We want new ones" every time something goes wrong. FSG saved us from the dirtyest pair of shyster cu'nts on the planet. Yet people are talking about getting rid of them!
We are spoiled and we are making ourselves look like ranting, spoilt brats. I am becoming ashamed at the amount of complaints rom "fans" to radio and tv phone ins. Dont they realise how it is making us look?
I despair at some of the w@nkers who make us a public laughing stock

by **Boxscarf** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:12 pm

john craig » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:26 pm wrote:Be careful what you wish for. Malaga are currently finding out what its like being bought by a sugar daddy owner who invests heavily then loses interest and takes off. Theyre in the CL this year after heavy investment but their talismanic middle eastern owner has gone AWOL and sanctioned sales of the likes of Rondon and Cazorla, while many players are owed wages from last season. A club as small as Malaga cant sustain that wage bill without the owner's money. Its still a mystery why he's done it after getting them into CL.

He invested in Malaga because he wanted an in-road to develop the city as whole, I guess when he realised this wasn't going to happen soon or the way he wanted it to, he upped sticks and left.

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