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[ethanr]

These owners have been good to us.  They've been rightfully cautious in some situations.  They over-spent when Kenny was in charge, and if we went on another spending spree like we had last summer, people would just want to take advantage of us again, and if people took advantage of us like that again, we would continually be taken advantage of in future transfer dealings.

They've brought in a new manager at a risk.  They knew this season wasn't going to be fantastic regardless, but they knew if he paid off then we've got a great manager for a long time, and it's not something they'd have to worry about  Despite all that's happened, they've supported us in the transfer market, and behind the scenes with the business side of the club, I don't think any other club has done as well as us in improving the way we get revenue within the rules of the FFP.  Like some of you have said, Fulham weren't happy with us because Dempsey apparently turned on them.  I think he would have turned on them regardless, and what Rogers said about Dempsey in no way deserved the response Fulham and Jol gave, but they weren't happy and they probably didn't want to sell Dempsey to us.  I'm sure they're thrilled right now that we're having a striker problem, and that they had something to do with it.

The fact that Henry has came out and essentially admitted that nobody's happy about what happened is proof that they're willing to listen to their mistakes.  I won't be surprised if we have a good January chest to spend, but if we don't there will be good reason.

[parchpea]

The owners are in charge of the whole operation and everything is down to them
full stop.

I will call it quits on the subject now but for me the FSG mask slipped on Friday and
Henrys letter confirmed my suspicions.

This firm have bitten off way more than they can chew and we will get nowhere under
their ownership so prepare to be dissapointed.

[parchpea]

[quote="parchpea » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:58 am"]The owners are in charge of the whole operation and everything is down to them
full stop.

I will call it quits on the subject now but for me the FSG mask slipped on Friday and
Henrys letter confirmed my suspicions.

This firm have bitten off way more than they can chew and we will get nowhere under
their ownership so get used to dissapointment.

[parchpea]

The owners are in charge of the whole operation and everything is down to them
full stop.

I will call it quits on the subject now but for me the FSG mask slipped on Friday and
Henrys letter confirmed my suspicions.

This firm have bitten off way more than they can chew and we will get nowhere under
their ownership so get used to dissapointment.[/quote]

[parchpea]

[quote="parchpea » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:00 am"]The owners are in charge of the whole operation and everything is down to them
full stop.

I will call it quits on the subject now but for me the FSG mask slipped on Friday and
Henrys letter confirmed my suspicions.

This firm have bitten off way more than they can chew and we will get nowhere under
their ownership so get used to dissapointment.

[devaney]

People on here are criticizing the owners about the mistakes that Henry mentioned in the letter. Actually the mistakes were made by Commoli and Kenny as already discussed... So it is quite unfair that the owners are getting the flak... 80+ million spent on Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing... Managers fail and succeed by their signings... Rafa's initial purchases like Reina, Torres, Mascherano and Alonso were inspired. Rafa's downfall started when he bought Babel, Voronin, Keane and Aquilani, etc. Kenny was unfortunate in that the 4 of his 5 buys failed to live up to expectations and they weren't small purchases...

Unfortunately mate there are some people on here that regard the legend that is Kenny Dalglish to be beyond criticism and will look for any excuse they can find other than Kenny for the downfall of LFC. Kenny was brought back during some very desperate times and he successfully steadied the ship and brought the heartbeat back to Liverpool for which we should be very grateful. He also got us to a couple of cup finals and won us our first silverware in six years.Performances in the league however during the second half of the season were terrible. It will take me a very long time to forget just how bad we were at home to West Brom and Fulham. Dealings in the transfer market were pathetic and it has to be remembered that Dalgish and Comolli were allowed to spend £110m by the owners who some clowns are actually deriding.My major criticism of the owners is that they gave in to fan power and panicked into buying Carroll when they sold a very out of form Torres.

[SouthCoastShankly]

The owners are in charge of the whole operation and everything is down to them
full stop.

I will call it quits on the subject now but for me the FSG mask slipped on Friday and
Henrys letter confirmed my suspicions.

This firm have bitten off way more than they can chew and we will get nowhere under
their ownership so get used to dissapointment.

Quite frankly you epitomise the idiocy of our fanbase nowadays.

Despite my disappointment in our failing of the transfer window. I would prefer another season of winning nothing if we are progressing towards a self sufficient business model. I could not agree more when John Henry said

That ethos is to win. We will invest to succeed. But we will not mortgage the future with risky spending

Don't be naive in thinking that we are immune from liquidation. It nearly happened under the previous regime and you can see what happen to Rangers. No one saw that coming.

If it means our recovery as a winning club takes a few seasons, then so be it. The one thing I despise most about this club today is the knee-jerk, instant success craving, plastic fan base. It started after the CL win. We lost the right to be one of Europe's elite when H&G screwed us over. I like the self-sufficient model that FSG are applying because primarily it stops risking the foundations of the club for what is essentially a short term gain.

FSG and Rodgers have made mistakes that we harshly learnt in the transfer window. My instinct is that won't happen again, if I am wrong i'll hold my hands up. But what I won't do is slate the owners, who to the business minded individual, are implementing a reliable long term strategy despite the small minded opposition.

When FIFA's Financial Fair Play rules come into effect, you'll thank that sound business strategy. If only you could see...

[Benny The Noon]

It's a shame that FFP will be as toothless as our attack.

No club will get kick out for over spending or being in debt - minimal fines which have no effect will be dished out.

Henry is deluded if he thinks UEFA control the game - the clubs do and soon the telly contract will need to be renewed and the clubs could soon force a better deal for them

[Boxscarf]

I guess £6m for Clint Dempsey would have been classified as risky spending by FSG, hence why we didn't sign him earlier in the window?

[Redman in wales]

I guess £6m for Clint Dempsey would have been classified as risky spending by FSG, hence why we didn't sign him earlier in the window?

it is very short sighted and I don't agree with it, but that is probably right - all about sell-on value.  - whether it's to line their pockets, - or generate more cash for the club to spend, we dont know, but it could be that they only wish to buy players where their transfer value will increase over time. None of this Carroll/downing malarky  - but more of the younger players that have sell on value equal to or greater than their purchase price. Dempsey, biught for £6m at 19 years old would delavue the older he gets. Someone like Joe Allen, whilst expensive at £15m is young, and his stock could actually rise.

Of course we all know that there are gems to be found, and great players still around in their late 20's and early 30's, but the sell-on value might be a factor in the Dempsey deal.

[Reg]

There's been a lot of passionate out poring on this forum against the owners, Ayres and the manager. For some reason we expect them to be perfect when in the experience of the last 5 years that is rarely the case.

I don't know how perfect your lives are but I've had my fair share of disappointments. People, friends and colleagues have let me down numerous times. It hurts but we know its part of life and we move on.

We tried to buy Dempsey and also Sturridge. As it said in the Telegraph today, despite having agreed terms and having 2 medicals booked for 6pm and 8pm, one didn't even bother to contact the club to say he'd changed his mind and the other one was stopped on the motorway and told to turn round and go to another club. Doesn't take a genius to work our who was who there.

I don't blame the owners or the manager - they thought they'd secured one if not both the players. I don't know where Ayres fits in because I guess it was him who thought they'd closed the deal.

But lads, lets stop bleating and get over it, there are far more important things in life.

[lakes10]

I guess £6m for Clint Dempsey would have been classified as risky spending by FSG, hence why we didn't sign him earlier in the window?

what dont get mate is that both clubs must have agreed a deal, Dempsey was on the M6 heading to Liverpool when he got a call to say he had been sold to Spurs.
all we had been told that day was bids being turned down, he was booked in to have a medical at 8pm

at that point Rodgers left the club to go home for the night.

[Boxscarf]

I'm just so fed up it's unbelievable. I was looking forward to this season and now I'll be glad when it's finished. I just want it to be over. That speaks volumes for me, because to be saying that after just a handful of matches makes me feel ashamed of myself, but I'm just fed up of being constantly screwed over. Brendan deserves better than having the player he wants to sign start heading up to Anfield for his medical only for the car to turn around and head to North London. It makes me sick, yet they have the bare-face cheek to say 'they back the manager'.

[Boxscarf]

it is very short sighted and I don't agree with it, but that is probably right - all about sell-on value.  - whether it's to line their pockets, - or generate more cash for the club to spend, we dont know, but it could be that they only wish to buy players where their transfer value will increase over time. None of this Carroll/downing malarky  - but more of the younger players that have sell on value equal to or greater than their purchase price. Dempsey, biught for £6m at 19 years old would delavue the older he gets. Someone like Joe Allen, whilst expensive at £15m is young, and his stock could actually rise.

Of course we all know that there are gems to be found, and great players still around in their late 20's and early 30's, but the sell-on value might be a factor in the Dempsey deal.

Great, so we're going to end up like Arsenal football club. No ambition to win trophies, just constant qualification for the CL which will generate money for the club. We can then sell our best players and replace them with youngsters, when they become good sell them to our nearest rivals etc. What in the hell is happening to our club? It's being destroyed that's what's happening to it. I still maintain we'll end up like Nottingham Forrest, I can see it now.

[Roger Red Hat]

I guess £6m for Clint Dempsey would have been classified as risky spending by FSG, hence why we didn't sign him earlier in the window?

what dont get mate is that both clubs must have agreed a deal, Dempsey was on the M6 heading to Liverpool when he got a call to say he had been sold to Spurs.
all we had been told that day was bids being turned down, he was booked in to have a medical at 8pm

at that point Rodgers left the club to go home for the night.

So Rodgers as far as he was concerned thought he'd got him a striker... job done...  start planning for Sundays game. Turns out some fuk'r canceled the deal and now we're left with a hole to fill. we'll get through it.

This still isn't a big enough reason to turn on the owners. The same owners who kept us in existence. Have a bit of respect lads and for fuk sake have some dignity. we'll get through it together as one... just like we've always done.

Heimdall, parchpea and all the other clowns need not bother coming along.