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England did win the Under 19 European Championships two years ago. Beat Spain along the way .

They also regulary get into the top 8 in tournaments but that is dismissed as ***** obviously.

Name the foriegn overpriced players that have fell on their ***** in the prem.

 

D___C » Mon May 07, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:That Mark Noble had a good game for West Ham today.. worth a punt at say... 22 million?

With all these incredibly expensive English players, the national team must have won a shedload of tournaments at senior and under 21 level?.. or at the very very very worst performed brilliantly in tournaments?

What you mean they get their a$$ handed to them against superior foreigners every 2 years? What they have done f**k all at any level bar a dodgy home tournament a half century ago?

This can't be right... nah dont believe it. Phone up big sam... Noble it is.

england had a great side in 66 and proved how good they were in 70.

Benny The Noon » Mon May 07, 2012 6:09 pm[/url]"]England did win the Under 19 European Championships two years ago. Beat Spain along the way .

They also regulary get into the top 8 in tournaments but that is dismissed as ***** obviously.

No they didnt. (last England U19 tournament win was 1993)

No they dont (last manager to get them to the QF of a tournamnet was Eriksson - since 1966 England have made the QF or better a paltry 8 times in 22 major tournaments.)

C'mon guys it takes 30 seconds to check this stuff out!

burjennio » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon May 07, 2012 6:09 pm[/url]"]England did win the Under 19 European Championships two years ago. Beat Spain along the way .

They also regulary get into the top 8 in tournaments but that is dismissed as ***** obviously.

No they didnt. (last England U19 tournament win was 1993)

No they dont (last manager to get them to the QF of a tournamnet was Eriksson - since 1966 England have made the QF or better a paltry 8 times in 22 major tournaments.)

C'mon guys it takes 30 seconds to check this stuff out!

that means they get to the QF or better a third of the time, thats not bad going tbh. especially over 50 years.

It was the under 17 European Champs - apologies.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 07, 2012 6:37 pm wrote:

burjennio » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon May 07, 2012 6:09 pm[/url]"]England did win the Under 19 European Championships two years ago. Beat Spain along the way .

They also regulary get into the top 8 in tournaments but that is dismissed as ***** obviously.

No they didnt. (last England U19 tournament win was 1993)

No they dont (last manager to get them to the QF of a tournamnet was Eriksson - since 1966 England have made the QF or better a paltry 8 times in 22 major tournaments.)

C'mon guys it takes 30 seconds to check this stuff out!

that means they get to the QF or better a third of the time, thats not bad going tbh. especially over 50 years.

Tell that to the Brazilians, Germans and Italians and see how that will wash.

didnt they get to the final of the european u21`s when pearce was manager as well? seem to remember them getting battered in the final by germany.
i`m sure welbeck and sturridge was in the side so it cant be that long ago.

Yes they got to the final 2 years ago

[quote="kazza » Mon May 07, 2012 6:39 pm





Tell that to the Brazilians, Germans and Italians and see how that will wash.[/quote]

the history of international football is complicated though, dont forget england and scotland would probably have about 3 or 4 world cups each if they started playing in the tournaments from the begining.
when italy won the world cup in the 30`s they played england to see how good they were and when italy only lost 1-0 there were wild celebrations in rome because the italians were competative with england. although italy were world cup holders they knew they werent as good as england. germanys first victory over england wasnt until 1970.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 07, 2012 6:37 pm wrote:

burjennio » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon May 07, 2012 6:09 pm[/url]"]England did win the Under 19 European Championships two years ago. Beat Spain along the way .

They also regulary get into the top 8 in tournaments but that is dismissed as ***** obviously.

No they didnt. (last England U19 tournament win was 1993)

No they dont (last manager to get them to the QF of a tournamnet was Eriksson - since 1966 England have made the QF or better a paltry 8 times in 22 major tournaments.)

C'mon guys it takes 30 seconds to check this stuff out!

that means they get to the QF or better a third of the time, thats not bad going tbh. especially over 50 years.

Personally I think its poor for a side that goes into every tournament with a large section of their fanbase and media expecting to win it.

Also, QF or better sounds good until you look at it from the point of view that they have only made 2 semis, one of which was with home advantage.

Also during that time Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Greece and, God forbid, THE FRENCH have all won major tournaments 

burjennio » Mon May 07, 2012 6:57 pm wrote:


Personally I think its poor for a side that goes into every tournament with a large section of their fanbase and media expecting to win it.

Also, QF or better sounds good until you look at it from the point of view that they have only made 2 semis, one of which was with home advantage.

Also during that time Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Greece and, God forbid, THE FRENCH have all won major tournaments 

but to be fair the cold facts dont tell the full story.
in 82 (and throughout the 70`s) there was a wierd system in place with group stages that led straight to semi finals, it wasnt a knock out type system so there were no QF`s etc, in 82 the england side did well, they never lost a game, they comfortably beat eventual semi finalists france (platini et al) 2-0, drew with eventual finalists west germany and drew with hosts spain but went out on some strange co-efficient thing.
in 70 they lost in the QF`s to west germany but were many peoples favourites to win the tournament after their performance against brazil, england were a bit unlucky, first just before the QF they lost their keeper gordon banks to food poisoning but despite that they dominated germany and cruised to a 2-0 lead. with 10 minutes left ramsey decided to save bobby charltons legs (charlton was giving beckenbauer the run around) because the game was played in a mexican heatwave and took him off.
with charlton off the pitch germany gained momentum and got a couple of soft goals that chelsea keeper peter bonetti took the blame for, they eventually won in extra time, it was germanys first ever win against england.
that england side was brilliant and pele himself said in his autobiography that the sense of relief that went right through the brazil camp when england went out was palpable.
england have genuinely been unlucky in a few tournaments, 86 was another one.

being honest we could do with shipping out over half the squad.the ones i would keep are,
reina,johnson,skyrtel,agger,enrique,gerrard,carroll,suarez,kelly,coates and lucas.
this lot needs to be sent packing kuyt,maxi,aurelio,carragher and spearing.
id not turn down a reasonable offer for henderson,downing,bellamy or adam.
big earners like cole and aqua need to be sorted to free up wages for replacements.
we have young players also in shelvey,wilson and pacheco and if they dont fit into the setup then their futures should also be looked at.

the big question is who will be brought in to replace them and that depends on how much fenway are willing to pump in and what kind of wages they are willing to offer.
if they are willing to go out on a limb then quality signings will be made but if they dont then we can expect to be raiding lower teams for their talent and id be surprised if we dont end up with the likes of bent,defoe and dempsey coming in combined with maybe a bosman like hoilett.im not knocking them as they would be much better than what we are losing but they arent title winning players and doubts would remain as to whether they could even push for a top 4 considering arsenal,spurs and the chavs will strenghten with real quality.
major changes are needed in the summer if we are going to stand any chance of a better campaign next season.
the bulk of our business needs to be done sharply before the euros and definately before the team resumes for preseason.last season we fooked up in going through a preseason where we played nothing like the team we started the league with and were always on the back foot.
savage mistakes were made last summer and for the sake of the club they cannot be repeated

red till i die!! » Mon May 07, 2012 7:25 pm wrote:being honest we could do with shipping out over half the squad.the ones i would keep are,
reina,johnson,skyrtel,agger,enrique,gerrard,carroll,suarez,kelly,coates and lucas.
this lot needs to be sent packing kuyt,maxi,aurelio,carragher and spearing.
id not turn down a reasonable offer for henderson,downing,bellamy or adam.
big earners like cole and aqua need to be sorted to free up wages for replacements.
we have young players also in shelvey,wilson and pacheco and if they dont fit into the setup then their futures should also be looked at.

the big question is who will be brought in to replace them and that depends on how much fenway are willing to pump in and what kind of wages they are willing to offer.
if they are willing to go out on a limb then quality signings will be made but if they dont then we can expect to be raiding lower teams for their talent and id be surprised if we dont end up with the likes of bent,defoe and dempsey coming in combined with maybe a bosman like hoilett.im not knocking them as they would be much better than what we are losing but they arent title winning players and doubts would remain as to whether they could even push for a top 4 considering arsenal,spurs and the chavs will strenghten with real quality.
major changes are needed in the summer if we are going to stand any chance of a better campaign next season.
the bulk of our business needs to be done sharply before the euros and definately before the team resumes for preseason.last season we fooked up in going through a preseason where we played nothing like the team we started the league with and were always on the back foot.
savage mistakes were made last summer and for the sake of the club they cannot be repeated

we need a good pre season where we actually start running cricket scores up against some of the lesser sides. we seem to have carried our lethargy from pre season into our last couple of league campaigns resulting in poor starts and putting us on the back foot and under pressure almost from the off.
as you say lets get our new signings in early and lets start next season with a purpose.
i dont think that will happen though, i think we`ll spend half the summer looking for a replacement for comoli.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 07, 2012 7:41 pm wrote:we need a good pre season where we actually start running cricket scores up against some of the lesser sides. we seem to have carried our lethargy from pre season into our last couple of league campaigns resulting in poor starts and putting us on the back foot and under pressure almost from the off.
as you say lets get our new signings in early and lets start next season with a purpose.
i dont think that will happen though, i think we`ll spend half the summer looking for a replacement for comoli.

I wonder if we are going to play anything close to a first team in the preseason games this year. Maybe we should just play the reserves and complain about a lack of match fitness when the season starts like we did this season.