Liverpool FC Forum

by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:56 pm

this is where they got him, it seems he did to stick to what he first said.

246. Mr Greaney cross-examined Mr Suarez about this paragraph in Mr Suarez's witness
statement, just after showing Mr Suarez a clip of the goalmouth incident. The extract from
the transcript below omits the translation of the questions into Spanish, and Mr Suarez's
answers in Spanish. The answers given below are the interpreter's translation of Mr
Suarez's answers in Spanish.
"MR GREANEY: Mr Suarez, the first thing I would like to ask you, now that we have
seen those again, is: is it correct, as you say in paragraph 27 of your witness
statement, that you were trying to defuse or calm down the situation in the goal
mouth?
A. That's why I was explaining to him that it was a normal foul.
Q. Let me be as clear as I can. Was your aim, when you were in the goal mouth, and
speaking to Mr Evra, to calm down the situation?

A. I wasn't thinking about speaking to anyone. He was the one to come to me and
speak to me.
Q. What we want to know, or at least I do, is what was in your mind? Was it in your
mind to try to calm down the situation?
A. He was asking me, "Why did you kick me?" Those were football conversations,
and I replied, "This is a normal foul. What do you want me to do?"
Q. Do you see paragraph 27 of your statement? Does it read: "I was trying to defuse
or calm the situation"?
A. By the gesture I was doing with my hands, I could show that I was trying to
explain the situation, because these are conversations that you have in the field.
Q. Mr Suarez, I have to suggest to you that my question is really a very simple one.
In the goal mouth, and in particular as you pinched the skin of Mr Evra, do you say
you were trying to calm the situation?
A. Not after the pinch, because he was saying that he was going to hit me.
Q. I'll just make one more attempt, and then we will move on. In your statement,
over which we have understood you took some care, you have said of the pinching:
"I was trying to defuse the situation." All I wish to know is whether that is true or
not.
A. I was not trying to calm down the situation, but trying to explain to Evra why I
was doing this foul, and when - then he replied, "I'm going to hit you", and I was
trying to show him that he was not untouchable, not in the foul and not by the
gesture that I did with the - by the pinch I was doing to his arm, that he wasn't
untouchable."

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:56 pm

So basically to cut a long, confusing and emotional story short, Suarez admitted to using a racist term (whether he meant it in an offensive or racist way is irrelevant) and therefore under the rules of the English FA deserves a punishment.

This seems beyond dispute to me. He admitted to using that word himself

by **Greavesie** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:58 pm

so lets get this right, they agree he is not a racist but do him for a racist act?

separating and act of racism to a racist outlook are two different things but thinking of an example is difficult atm, cba to think

I can easily see why LFC as a club aren't happy about this. The criminal standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt yet for this it's on a balance of probabailities. On a balance of probabilities this could be either...

by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:59 pm

Dundalk wrote:So basically to cut a long, confusing and emotional story short, Suarez admitted to using a racist term (whether he meant it in an offensive or racist way is irrelevant) and therefore under the rules of the English FA deserves a punishment.

This seems beyond dispute to me. He admitted to using that word himself

sad to say but yes, but he said he used it once but the fa have agreed he used it lots of times.

by **damjan193** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:59 pm

Greavesie wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I've only just scanned the page and the excerpts posted by various people but it looks pretty damning to me. As expected, there was more to the charge than simply the use of the word 'negrito' or 'negro', but also other words that indicated the context in which the references to Evra's colour were made. In any case, it seems that the references to Evra's colour in themselves were deemed to be insulting in the context of a game in England which I find hard to argue with. If that wasn't the rule then words roundly regarded as offensive might not attract disciplinary action because of 'cultural' exceptions.

I genuinely find it hard to believe Suarez' use of words extend as far as what Evra alleges. I don't believe he said he 'doesn't speak to n!ggers' or whatever the statement reads. Suarez may have been winding him up about his skin colour which I find 100% plausable but it seems any accusation by Suarez such as the 'dont touch me South American' seems to be completely ignored...

well in the report it say "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks".

thats the one. In the report it says 'Evra alleges he says. I've only skimmed through it but does Suarez admit to this? I find it hard to believe Suarez would say that

Even if he did say it (which i doubt) I am sure he didn't admit it, but they still convicted him. So the question is, on what basis? On Evra's word? Even if Suarez did say all this stuff, I really wonder how they proved it.

by **lakes10** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:01 pm

after reading that i can also see how Terry will get off with it. I am sure they put them loop holes in there so he gets off.

by **Greavesie** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:05 pm

Dundalk wrote:So basically to cut a long, confusing and emotional story short, Suarez admitted to using a racist term (whether he meant it in an offensive or racist way is irrelevant) and therefore under the rules of the English FA deserves a punishment.

This seems beyond dispute to me. He admitted to using that word himself

if we boil it down to

did you call Evra a negro?

yes

then yes, it pretty much is that simple

by **damjan193** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:12 pm

Sorry bout the "Russian dolls" thing, haven't seen it before now, won't happen again. But what's the big deal with that?

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:12 pm

LFC say they, Suarez & legal advisors will take 'necessary amount of time to read, digest & properly consider contents' of FA's findings.

by **parchpea** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:16 pm

Club has made a bad call on this and needs its PR machine sorting asap to try and rebuild bridges. No player was ever bigger than the club but it would appear the have been willing to sacrifice its reputation for their star man, and thats completely wrong. Its just not the Liverpool way end of.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:21 pm

parchpea wrote:Its just not the Liverpool way end of.

Couldn't agree more.

I said at the time it was embarrassing and I stick by that. All of our business, no matter what way we decided to deal with this, should have been done behind closed doors.

by **ste123lfc** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:28 pm

Seems very convinient that this report should come out tonight just after Manure suffer and embarresing defeat to blackburn, is Sir Exlax trying to divert everyones attention. Cun*s

by **Greavesie** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:33 pm

if Suarez has been charged for what he's done then shouldn't Evra be charged for saying 'don't touch me South American'? Doesn't that constitute a breach of the rule by using Suarez' ethnic origin against him?

I'm leaning towards agreeing with Dunny here. I'm defending Suarez from a legel perspective here but if he's called him a negro then fair dos we take it on the chin and let it go, the sooner we do that the sooner it fooks off. It's us thats dragging it on now and we haven't helped ourselves with the t-shirt malarky. At the time I was happy with us supporting him but it's put him on a pedastal and I'm not a fan of that. Take the suspension and leave it at that. There's a lot of debate about the decision and I think most in the football world understand why, just leave it at that.

I'm happy to pick it apart and find reasons for argument but it doesn't really change the facts when all is said and done

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:05 pm

So Evra started this whole thing by saying something about Suarez' sister? And when he responded Evra didn't like it and cried like a b!tch to the ref. What a faggot.

by **sgs** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:31 pm

parchpea wrote:Club has made a bad call on this and needs its PR machine sorting asap to try and rebuild bridges. No player was ever bigger than the club but it would appear the have been willing to sacrifice its reputation for their star man, and thats completely wrong. Its just not the Liverpool way end of.

Perhaps u should start by reading the report; eh?

Liverpool FC Forum

Luis Suarez signs for Barcelona

Who is online