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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:37 pm

aCe' wrote:He's admitted to saying what he did....

The phrase he used might very well be used in a different context in South America but that means Fck All if he used it in the portrayed, racist context when addressing Evra on the pitch.

Are the key points here.

It's very hard to reconcile the fact that the word 'negrito' might be used in an endearing sense in his native Uruguay, amongst his fellow Uruguayan teammates, for example, with the context in which the word is alleged to have been used against Evra; that being a moment of heated confrontation during a derby match. It may very well be that the independent panel found that Suarez used insulting words together with the word 'negrito', in which case it becomes that much harder to sustain the 'term of endearment' argument. 

At any rate, whether or not he used the word intending to insult Evra, and on the face of it it seems likely that he did, it was nevertheless a foolish choice of word. At the very least, he should have been aware that it might be seen as offensive. Ignorance as to the possible meaning of the word is a poor excuse given the obvious connotations it has, and has had, in so many parts of the world and certainly over here.

People will question the severity of the ban, but what's surely not in doubt is that Suarez made a serious mistake here, and that we are not simply the victims of a biased disciplinary process. He really did have a case to answer for.

Let's also be clear that the independent panel did not call Suarez a racist; one comment does not necessarily make a person a racist. He was found guilty of using insulting words that made reference to Evra's colour, not of being a racist.

That's why the club were keen to highlight his 'multi-ethnic' credentials, his support for anti-racism campaigns and so forth. It's also why people should think carefully before they label him a 'racist', as though he is and always will be of that orientation.
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Postby redtrader74 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:46 pm

I doubt he was using the word endearingly, he probably, given the way it's used, said it to get Evras attention and let him know he was talking to him, a bit like saying 'Hey pal your breath stinks of garlic, frenchy', the pal is not endearing, but not offensive either. The crux of the matter is whether you think that Suarez was using negrito in a racially derogatory manner or as part of his normal language? If its the former, 10 times, he was being racist, if the latter then there is no case to answer.
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:53 pm

The club along with lawyers etc should have told him to deny saying anything from the beginning.

Never mind this Negrito bullsht. Maybe he thought he would be completely honest I don't know, but the club should have advised him not to say that word in his defence appeal, we should have known EXACTLY how the f.a and the newspapers would see this.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:56 pm

RT @SkySports: The FA have confirmed Luis Suarez's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra could be increased if he appeals. #LFC #MUFC
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Postby metalhead » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:57 pm

Dundalk wrote:RT @SkySports: The FA have confirmed Luis Suarez's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra could be increased if he appeals. #LFC #MUFC

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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:13 pm

Dundalk wrote:RT @SkySports: The FA have confirmed Luis Suarez's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra could be increased if he appeals. #LFC #MUFC

Can anybody honestly see Liverpool letting this thing drop ? I expect the reds to fight this with every resource they have
available,because lets face facts its not the length of the ban that's in question its the stigma attached to being branded a racist by the great unwashed ie the media .
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:31 pm

I quoted this from the article ola benitez posted from the Guardian 'A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.'

Personally i think is what Suarez should do and draw a line under the whole thing, if he apeals and drags this out it will only make things worse in the long run.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:35 pm

The Liverpool players have this evening issued the following joint statement in support of Luis Suarez.



Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.

We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.

We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.

We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:36 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:I quoted this from the article ola benitez posted from the Guardian 'A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.'

Personally i think is what Suarez should do and draw a line under the whole thing, if he apeals and drags this out it will only make things worse in the long run.

The problem mate that this whole fiasco will tarnish his reputation and people all around the country will claim he is racist. I don't think we will win the appeal, the FA will stand on this one and won't let it go, so the best option for the club and Suarez is to clear his name from any wrong doing and racisim.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:38 pm

Suarez's lawyer Balbi:

"He took it very hard, but remains headstrong and upbeat, he denies the racism accusation & will appeal'

"From the juridic standpoint we feel it's completely unacceptable"
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Postby metalhead » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:42 pm

Dundalk wrote:The Liverpool players have this evening issued the following joint statement in support of Luis Suarez.



Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.

We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.

We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.

We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.

Great to see our players sticking up for him :buttrock
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Postby The Good Yank » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:43 pm

The problem I have with this is that the FA are banning Suarez for using a word that isn't English.  What does the term Negrito mean in English?  Therefore the context that it was used by Suarez, in his words, is the only evidence that should have mattered.  He didn't even say it while speaking English.  My point is the context means everything, but has been brushed aside.

Should have just called him a "Black Cu.nt" on camera and the FA could have just kicked it to the courts and he would face a 2500 quid fine :cool:
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:43 pm

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Postby Fowler_E7 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:49 pm

Good statement from the players, much better than the club statement issued yesterday, i just hope Suarez dosnt appeal now.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:52 pm

metalhead wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:I quoted this from the article ola benitez posted from the Guardian 'A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.'

Personally i think is what Suarez should do and draw a line under the whole thing, if he apeals and drags this out it will only make things worse in the long run.

The problem mate that this whole fiasco will tarnish his reputation and people all around the country will claim he is racist. I don't think we will win the appeal, the FA will stand on this one and won't let it go, so the best option for the club and Suarez is to clear his name from any wrong doing and racisim.

Theres nothing that can be done to now, he has been labled and that cant be taken back now, the quicker we move on from this the quicker better.
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