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by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:02 pm

Fu'ck it
Im bored of this now

by **lakes10** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:26 pm

Dundalk wrote:Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

I think you have a point, the club looks very bitter in that statement, so much so most of the press to are talking about what the club has said and not about what has happend.

by **crim cram** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:03 pm

I'm glad they included the bit about his grandfather being black. Not for the rebuttal of charges, just for the trivia!

by **Zidane** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:43 pm

Don't like that I'm reading that we should have just took it in the backside as usual, that's why we're in this position in the first place. We need to stand up for ourselves when injustice has occurred. The statement is spot on, forget what the media will say all they do is spout sh!t. Someone mentioned earlier too that Evra and the FA already pointed out that he isn't a racist so what's the big deal? Obviously you haven't seen what the papers are saying and what every single media outlet is saying as well. It's a f****** disgrace. Making a short statement when Suarez has done nothing wrong and has had his life completely flipped upside down because of it is pathetic.

People need to realize just how much this is going to affect Suarez and us, it has already begun to affect him and for what? Because he winded Evra up? He's getting an 8 match ban and being labelled a racist by an entire country because he winded someone up during a football match, it's a farce.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:45 pm

There is a strong rumour going around that all the players who are playing tonight are going to be warming up in Suarez 7 shirts

by **lakes10** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:57 pm

England captain John Terry will face a charge of using racist language towards Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match, it has been confirmed

BBC Sports News Correspondent Dan Roan said: "This is relatively unprecedented - certainly considering the stature of the player involved, who is England captain."

by **aCe'** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:14 pm

This is about as good an argument against his ban as you'll get. Regardless, the club didnt handle the whole thing well imo and more should have been done at least in terms of getting the two players together to work out the whole thing between them.

by **redtrader74** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:32 pm

aCe' wrote:This is about as good an argument against his ban as you'll get. Regardless, the club didnt handle the whole thing well imo and more should have been done at least in terms of getting the two players together to work out the whole thing between them.

How do you know the Club didn't try and sort it out between the players? It would have required the help of Manu, and I very much doubt Fergie, who doesn't like Kenny or LFC, would cooperate.

Additionally the Club were sure and are still sure, after hearing all the 'evidence' that Luis did not racially abuse Evra, they understood the context. Our player had already been openly branded a racist, and the only way to be vindicated was openly, and not behind closed doors as Luis would still have his reputation damaged.

This judgement is sickening, it has been explained extensively that in South America they openly use terms to describe each other, without malice, they have a term for black, white, mixed race and dusky. Infact to ignore Luis' background and the meaning behind saying negrito/negro is in its own way racist, prejudiced at the very least. Just because we have a history of using colour in a derogatory manner it does not mean the rest of the world does, or would know about our banana throwing past.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:52 pm

redtrader74 wrote:
aCe' wrote:This is about as good an argument against his ban as you'll get. Regardless, the club didnt handle the whole thing well imo and more should have been done at least in terms of getting the two players together to work out the whole thing between them.

How do you know the Club didn't try and sort it out between the players? It would have required the help of Manu, and I very much doubt Fergie, who doesn't like Kenny or LFC, would cooperate.

Additionally the Club were sure and are still sure, after hearing all the 'evidence' that Luis did not racially abuse Evra, they understood the context. Our player had already been openly branded a racist, and the only way to be vindicated was openly, and not behind closed doors as Luis would still have his reputation damaged.

This judgement is sickening, it has been explained extensively that in South America they openly use terms to describe each other, without malice, they have a term for black, white, mixed race and dusky. Infact to ignore Luis' background and the meaning behind saying negrito/negro is in its own way racist, prejudiced at the very least. Just because we have a history of using colour in a derogatory manner it does not mean the rest of the world does, or would know about our banana throwing past.

What he said :nod

by **parchpea** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:55 pm

If he used the words and they have proof I have no issue with the ban at all. Suarez should know better and the club should not have made no comment until the trial had ended. My main beef is that the same punishments are applied to other footballers as if the governing body does not uphold the precedent then I will be very angry. Also, if this has been dished out on Evras word alone I wont be happy either. You find it hard to beleive they would see this through without concrete evidence but Liverpool claim thats the case. At this point no one knows the truth, with our own club simply following a line they have chosen from beginning, and thats to back Suarez. If the FA have this bang on then god knows where that leaves us really, looking a bit stupid I should guess, so I just pray they are not just spouting off for the sake of it thats all.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:55 pm

lakes10 wrote:England captain John Terry will face a charge of using racist language towards Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match, it has been confirmed

BBC Sports News Correspondent Dan Roan said: "This is relatively unprecedented - certainly considering the stature of the player involved, who is England captain."

I heard maximum penalty is a 2500 quid fine....

by **kalos** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:08 pm

Parchpea- your lack of confidence and trust in the leadership of LFC beggars belief...how can you support an institution that you have such a low opinion of..?

by **zarababe** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:09 pm

lakes10 wrote:England captain John Terry will face a charge of using racist language towards Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match, it has been confirmed

BBC Sports News Correspondent Dan Roan said: "This is relatively unprecedented - certainly considering the stature of the player involved, who is England captain."

Yes and if found guilty will be fined 2500 pound...ummm helloooo...

Luis gets slated for use of a word caught up in native samantics.. and Terry :no

what will the FA now do... take a stand ay...

What should have happened:

FA: Luis, the term you have used is not acceptable in England.. it is a derogatory and etc etc word. However given how it us used in your native tongue, we will on this occassion ask that you refrain from its use and warn you of your future conduct in this respect.

Oh no... and so Suarez in now labelled... The club are right to fight this and our statement is a no-nonsense approach to this ludicrous fiasco. If people from other cultures can not be dealt with sensitively and advised of their future conduct in terms of local sensitivities, then we need to look at our own 'whiter than white approach'.

An organsiation that appeals violent conduct on behalf of Rooney, is it really in position to charge and pass judgement on a case of liguistic differences?

Let me make it clear I am Asian the topic is emotove for me.. but cultural; norms and liguistic differences is something that I know need to be dealt with sensitively, because the use of language in these matters is over complicated.

The FA had an opportunity to make cultural distinctions and come to a conclusion taking in to account such differences, not tarnishing with one brush.

If Evra use the word he is alleged to have used, than his 'nationalistic' insults / overtures to Luis have been ignored in favour of the headline catching phrase allegedly used by Luis.

... a warning would have sufficed for both on use of language and samantics.

I think the FA now have to decide how they react to Terry, given the accusations the Club have firmly laid at their door.. There can't be one scapegoat !

by **parchpea** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:21 pm

I find it hard to fathom how a player can be hit with an 8 match ban for doing nothing and thats what our club seems to be saying. I want to wrong, but at this point you have to wonder if we are perhaps taking the wrong approach. By all accounts hes admitted to using the words but in a different context, but that simply wont wash with the FA and the ban is testament to that. When our club tells us a player is innocent we want to beleive it, but when you see an 8 game ban administered I dont think its wrong to question whats going on even if it is the team you support.

by **only me** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:29 pm

I'm not from England so not really familier with the FA standards and parctices but i'm just amazed at the hypocricy in the treatment of Luis and Terry ,If i understand correctly they haven't even started looking at Terry Televised ,documented ,disgusting racist rant while Luis has basicly been "executed" in football terms.

For me it is just unbelievable and i expect Liverpool to act much more severly and extermly then a single public statement. I think the team should pull all it's players from the English national teams and threaten even hursher moves if the FA doesn't display equal standards to ALL teams and players. Everyone is talking of Terry status as captain as if Terry himself ,Chelsea FC and Chelsea FC fans give a Fck if he is captain or not.

We shouldn't be turned to the Scapegoat of the english football.

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