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Postby metalhead » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:53 pm

Scottbot wrote:No mention of a ground share in the officail statement wouldn't be overly worried about it. There's also been some talk about the council only extending planning permission for the new build by a few months but I suepct they will give the club as long as they need. Anfield (as in the area) is in such a bad way and the only way to regenerate the area by the means of the new stadium build I think. It sounds like the club have admitted defeat in redeveloping Anfield so we'll just have to sit tight and wait on news of the new stadium as and when it happens. At least they're putting us in the picture.

I actually really liked the 2nd desing that the Dallas architecs came up with so hopefully they will/wopuld go with that one instead of the previous design which looked a replica of the atmophereless Emirates stadium.

Agreed Scott, lets wait and see, plus they gave some valid points on why it is difficult to redevelop anfield
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Postby ICE-MAN » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Since we cant redevlop anfield, lets look at what should be done to the new ground and will make it more original and 'our' stadium and not a run of the mill new development:

It will have an enlarged Kop - the fans will make it our own!
It will have a Hillsborough memorial - gone but never forgotten!
Shankly Gates - surely will be moved to new ground!
Bill Shankly statue - will also be moved!
Kenny Daglish - will have input into the history and boot room mentality that will be brought to the new ground!!

The history of Anfield will continue to be written at the new Anfield!!
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:03 am

dont read much into what was put out by our club about no redevelopment of anfield. we have only said this no make some of the red tape to go away.

the area needs to be upgraded and and the only way this will happen is if some of the red tape is taken away by the council.
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Postby metalhead » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:17 am

lakes10 wrote:dont read much into what was put out by our club about no redevelopment of anfield. we have only said this no make some of the red tape to go away.

the area needs to be upgraded and and the only way this will happen is if some of the red tape is taken away by the council.

ah so its confirmed we will go through building a new stadium :D

kidding mate
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:05 pm

metalhead wrote:
lakes10 wrote:dont read much into what was put out by our club about no redevelopment of anfield. we have only said this no make some of the red tape to go away.

the area needs to be upgraded and and the only way this will happen is if some of the red tape is taken away by the council.

ah so its confirmed we will go through building a new stadium :D

kidding mate

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Postby dundreamin » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:29 pm

Anybody out there got any expert knowledge about construction? Beats me how adding 1500 to 20000 seats to a exsiting structure would cost more than building from scratch. This baffles me. Besides i dont want to move. How can mange Newcastle etc do it?  Ok they had more space around there grounds. But surely we can come to a agreement with the council and turn l4 into a modern community. Any ideas?
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Postby Kukilon » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:13 pm

dundreamin wrote:Anybody out there got any expert knowledge about construction? Beats me how adding 1500 to 20000 seats to a exsiting structure would cost more than building from scratch. This baffles me. Besides i dont want to move. How can mange Newcastle etc do it?  Ok they had more space around there grounds. But surely we can come to a agreement with the council and turn l4 into a modern community. Any ideas?

I don't think the biggest problem is fitting the actual seats but all the infrastructure changes. Where should all of the parking spaces be etc.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:14 pm

There seems to be a bit of tension between the Liverpool Council and Liverpool FC around the stadium issue
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Postby Igor Zidane » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:36 pm

metalhead wrote:There seems to be a bit of tension between the Liverpool Council and Liverpool FC around the stadium issue

Yeh and it's all to do with grants and the loss of money . Basically if LFC stay at anfield the council will not get the European grants they were promised to redevelope the anfield area . If we move to Stanley park they get the grants.
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Postby Reg » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:14 pm

Aaahh now we get to the bottom of it. Surprise surprise its all about $$$$.

Tell you what, we better be quick or europe wont have any more cash to give away as grants.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:54 pm

Spirit of Shankly statement about the ongoing stadium situation .


http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news....tuation

Tuesday 12 July 2011 at 10:42


Following the statement from Liverpool FC about the ongoing stadium situation, Spirit Of Shankly would like to reaffirm its position.

Under a period of new management and direction the current owners, FSG, and Managing Director, Ian Ayre, should be afforded the time and opportunity to make the right decision for the Club, its supporters and the local community.

While the issue of a new stadium or redeveloped Anfield has been in discussion for over two decades, the lack of recent progress lies with the previous owners. Neither, Liverpool FC, nor Liverpool City Council, however, can afford to get this decision wrong at a time when the Club should be looking to move forward and find a solution not just for the present but for the next century. We would hope the correct, but lengthy processes are allowed to run their course to prevent mistakes that could hinder future generations being able to watch their team firsthand.

These processes must be full and thorough. They must be transparent and those responsible, accountable. With this in mind we call on the Club and the Council to actively engage with each other as well as with the other stakeholders in this debate - the supporters and local community. Given recent experiences with past owners, our involvement in the Football Quarter and the importance of any stadium decision, we feel it is necessary and right that the views, opinions and feelings of those directly affected, are heard.

The options should be explained in detail, and plans for refurbishment and a new stadium should be published, allowing for open dialogue and consultation to take place where the true custodians of the Club and local community, the supporters and the residents, are able to have their say.

For too long, those directly affected have been ignored, or the process for engagement has been haphazard, with no clear plan on who to engage or how to move forward. Honest and open debate is needed to allow a solution to be found that suits all parties and allows everyone to work together for the greater benefit of the Club, the community and the city.
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Postby Reg » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:13 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
metalhead wrote:There seems to be a bit of tension between the Liverpool Council and Liverpool FC around the stadium issue

Yeh and it's all to do with grants and the loss of money . Basically if LFC stay at anfield the council will not get the European grants they were promised to redevelope the anfield area . If we move to Stanley park they get the grants.

Igor,

If your comment is right, then it makes SOS's letter sound naive don't you think?

PS how's life at St Michaels?
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Postby Igor Zidane » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:19 pm

Reg wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
metalhead wrote:There seems to be a bit of tension between the Liverpool Council and Liverpool FC around the stadium issue

Yeh and it's all to do with grants and the loss of money . Basically if LFC stay at anfield the council will not get the European grants they were promised to redevelope the anfield area . If we move to Stanley park they get the grants.

Igor,

If your comment is right, then it makes SOS's letter sound naive don't you think?

PS how's life at St Michaels?

Don't think it's naive mate , just saying that heads need banging together and get it sorted . Instead of playing the blame game the two parties need to sort it once and for all either way and take some action . Before it's too late . St michaels in the hamlet is as good as ever reg garden festival site is nearly complete so we are gonna be busy.
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Postby Reg » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:56 pm

Yeah but my point is if council grants are the driving force then both the council and the club will prioritise benefit rather than football.

Council: To achieve our redevelop plans for the Anfield area we need you to build a new stadium.
LFC: We prefer to redevelop Anfield.
Council: Thats not on the agenda as the grants are maximised if we create a bigger redevelopment site by clearing the stadium. We have a supermarket and hotel ready to invest plus we have Barrat homes interested in 300 new houses. Merseyrail will up grade the line and build an additional stataion. The benefit of redeveloping the area will create jobs, new infrastructure and will extend the redevelopment area from the city centre 5 miles north. Once done, the council will be able to move on to the next equally pressing development area. Redeveloping the exisiting stadium does not allow us to achieve any of the urban development plans which have to bve our priority. In fact as councillors thats our responsibility and whilst it is important to develop the ground, it is more important to redevelop the city.
LFC: Err.. ok but give us a few million more to help spread the cost.
Council: Err.. ok but don't tell the Bitters because we're not going to give them anything.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:11 pm

Ian Ayre interview on the offal

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Managing Director Ian Ayre speaks to Liverpoolfc.tv in China about the latest news regarding the stadium plans.

Can you give us an overview of the latest on the stadium?

It's been a much discussed topic for a long time now and I think of late there has been a lot in the media and a lot of pressure to make a statement on where we are. What's important to us has been finding the right solution and that's always been the case, certainly in the last nine months. We've looked at both options. One is a refurbishment of Anfield, the other is a new stadium in Stanley Park. With regards the refurbishment, the type of work that's been going on (in the last nine months) has been developing plans and drawings that look at what is possible with Anfield, and that has incorporated a study into the extension of the Main Stand and a study into the extension of the Anfield Road End. Both of these, if successful, could deliver an 60,000-plus seater, which would be great, but it comes with whole other challenges and whole other areas we have to investigate. There has been a lot of frustration around that because there are lots of other people who have to come together or be a part of the process in order for us to deliver. That's been very challenging, particularly property acquisition and other areas of red tape, as most people would call it.

On the new stadium it's been about finding the right economic model. I know a lot of our fans and other people have said to me personally - why can't we just build it? We get lots of people who are desperate to come and watch Liverpool, but what people don't think of a lot of the time is that we don't get 60,000 new seats when we build a stadium - we only get the difference between Anfield currently and whatever we build. The economics of that difference don't really stack up in the medium term for a return for Liverpool. It would be a huge investment with very little financial gain. On its own that doesn't look like a viable proposition, so what we're having to do is explore an opportunity for naming rights. Naming rights is something that's been in the media recently for a number of reasons and it's something we're very actively looking at but it just takes time. Our deal with Standard Chartered, which was a ground breaking deal, took over a year to put together, and other similar types of deals we've been involved in have taken time. The pressure is there with people wanting an answer, but it's not an answer we can give right now.

Is it fair to say there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes to progress the naming rights if you do go with the new stadium model?

Yes, absolutely. We have a big team, a big partnership team at the club and we also utilise the services of Fenway Sports Management, our ownership group, who have a sales team in that category as well. Many, many people are working on it but it's not just about finding a partner, it's about finding the right partner - somebody who fits with the football club, as our other partners do. While our business development has been strong, we've been very selective, and that would also be the case with naming rights. It just takes time. It's a big world, there are a lot of brands - we just have to find the right one.

Video: Ayre on the stadium



You mention the frustration, but since the new owners have come in, do you feel like significant progress has and is being made?

Yes, absolutely. In a way it's been a little bit disappointing for them because they've come in and done a fantastic thing in the first place by bringing the club back together. Their first few months was about getting feet under the table, understanding what they'd bought and the direction we were taking. There were all manner of things going on, like changes in managers and all kinds of things. So the real work in earnest probably was six or seven months ago when we started looking at this. Anyone out there who has ever been involved in a major construction project would, I think, pretty much determine seven months to be a very short time. That's all it's really been, because if you go buy a new house, you don't look at what the previous owner had in terms of his ideas for it. They are their own people and so they should be. They'll do what they think is right for Liverpool Football Club. While a lot of people, particularly residents, feel a little bit aggrieved that it's been a long process, and we understand that, for these people who are now trying to make this happen, it's been a very short time.

Whenever we hear about a new stadium project we always hear about the redevelopment of Anfield. What's Liverpool's view of the regeneration project?

Regeneration is a much wider issue, I think. It's wider than just Anfield and wider than Liverpool Football Club, certainly. We've always been committed to playing our part in it but I think some people think our part is a bigger one than it really is. Our commitment is to make sure we provide something in the area and make sure that whatever we do is commensurate with the development of that area. Whether that's bringing more jobs because we're bringing more people, whether it's bringing a better facility that attracts more people - this is all in our mind. We've made a huge investment with everyone else in regenerating Stanley Park itself - many millions were invested into that. We are committed to the regeneration but it's important that people understand what Liverpool's part is, what small part Liverpool plays in that big opportunity.

You mention there is always a clamour for answers in terms of when is it going to happen and disappointment over the delay so far but in terms of making this decision, how important is it to get it right, to make sure it's the correct one for Liverpool going forward?

It can only be the right one. No amount of pressure will force Liverpool Football Club to make a decision quickly for the wrong reasons. We've all seen and felt and discovered how the wheels can come off if you make the wrong decisions at a football club, particularly this one. So we'll make the right decision at the right time, whatever that is and whenever that is. It has to be in the long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club. That's what everybody here is focused on
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