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by **alwayslfc** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:44 am

Dalglish wrote:This is an extremely difficult thread to respond to in a way that doesn't appear to be either for or against the legend that is Kenny Dalglish.........

Just because Kenny has steadied a sinking ship of a team that we had become under Hodgson does not automatically mean he is the right manager to take us forward for years to come. You could argue that many managers could have improved the performances after Roy's unfortunate tenure but you can't argue with results and Kenny has brought a lot of missing pride and passion back.

Not to extend Kenny's contract beyond summer is unthinkable at the moment on an emotional level but when you consider we probably need a 5 year plan can you see Kenny still being as involved and active in 2016 ? Some would point to Sir Andrex as an example of someone who still cuts it but he has been there for 20 years !

Personally I would like us to look upon Kenny as a mentor for a up and coming manager who has shown loads of promise. The guy in mind is Paul Lambert, current manager Norwich where in under 2 years has done an unbelievable job there. When he took over at Norwich at the start of last season they had been relegated into Division 1 and were bottom. Since then he has taken them to the brink of the Premiership, never lost 2 games on the bounce, has bought well and has players who will run through brick walls for him, competes against clubs with much bigger budgets (Cardiff, QPR, Leeds, Forest etc...) and he's Scottish !

Kenny can't and won't go on forever and you sense he is having the time of his life at the club he truly loves. Whatever happens, the club needs to deal sensitively and respectfully to the legend that is Kenny Dalglish.

Walk on ..............

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Totally agree with you mate. I always hold the opinion that Kenny is the best person to be in charge of Lpool right now and into the next season but not as a long term solution.

Sad to say that he wasted 10 years of his younger years 1991 to 2001 in managing other clubs. Sometimes I am resentful of his sudden departure from us in Feb 1991 with only 3 months left before that season end and most likely we would have clinched our 19th title if he had left in May that year.

by **ethanr** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:12 am

I love what KK is doing and to be honest, don't really want to think about replacing him...

But if I were to think of the right man to replace him, it would probably be Martin O'Neil. He's done the best he possibly could with every club he's ever managed. He's done better than the club should have been able to do with many of them. Aston Villa weren't a 6th place team last season, they were a mid-table team, and yet they got 6th.

by **Octsky** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:49 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:Your sounding like a hypocrite 7_Kewell, you were supporting Roy and blaming our quality of the squad before Kenny came to helm.

He's one of the biggest whoppers going.

I've no doubts whatsoever that had Johnson and Agger not limped off, we'd have won that game comfortably. It might not have been pretty, but we'd have done the job. All today's game did was illustrate our severe lack of balance in the first team when you take out our only natural form of width in Johnson and the ball distrubtion abilities from the back to wide areas from Agger, who is our only center half that is comfortable with the ball at his feet. The rest usually hoof, especially with not a single wide man to hit. Gerrard not being in the middle also lends to the lack of width as he can drift from side to side to produce balls into the area and spray the ball around. If you factor in five quality additions in the summer, each adept at their resective positions, especially in wide areas, then the side is transformed. It's transformed as it is when you add in Gerrard, Kelly, Agger and Johnson, all of whome were missing for the majority of today's game. Get some f*cking perspective, OP.

take out Agger? He's been injured constantly for 4 years!

Bottom line is, we should beat WBA....our team has the quality and it worries me deeply that we cannot do that. likewise, West Ham, Braga...we're mid table fodder, despite the addition of 60 million quids worth of talent.

And for the record, i think we're better without Torres

quality in the team? r u aware that we were playing with 4 CB after Johnson n Agger were injured ?

we have no real wingers. who built the team?
who actually did Kenny brought into the team?
strictly speaking Suarez and Kelly.
adding to the improved performance from Johnson and Raul.
Carroll is more of a "panic buy" after judas threw in the transfer request.

Rafa took 1 yr to destroy LFC and 2 months to destroy Inter.
if we cant trust Kenny, i dont know who can we trust.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:06 am

some of that shower on saturday wouldn't get into a sunday league team based on that performance. But that isn't the fault of KK. that sh!te was been played long before he took over.

1. Give him the job.
2. Get shut of those on the the sh!t list...

Agger (injury prone)
Carra (coaching role & sub)
Greek
Kuyt (times up fella)
Maxi
Spearing
Jovanovic
Ngog

3. Go shopping for at least 2x CB, 1x RW, 1x LW, 1x CM
4. Push for no.19 next season.

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:05 am

Giving the circumstances... average squad, Gerrard supsended and injured, star striker leaving with a day or two before the window closed, injuries to attacking players, signing 2 unfit strikers, taking over a squad 4 points above relegation, i think Kenny has done a superb job in charge. Im gonna forget about the first 2 games he had in charge as he was only in the job 4 days at the time and had something like 1 training session.

Since then we've recorded (i believe) 7 wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats and are in 6th place. (6 places higher than under Roy).

It would be devastating if kenny wasnt giving at least a full season to try and turn things around. This club won't move forward if we keep changing managers!

by **Greavesie** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:06 am

I was thinking the exact same thing as Kewell in terms of managerial change but I really dont think changng again is the answer. The united front coming out of LFC now is pretty special and I dont think for one second another manager could replicate it like Kenny does. He hasn't even had a chance to put his mark on the side. I also don't think we're a mid table side, Kenny only started in January and imo we'd be higher up if that was the start of the season (I haven't checked this btw

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Imagine if we got someone else in and it didn't work, I'd forever be wondering what could have happened if we never got rid of Kenny, he deserves his chance more than anyone

Kenny needs time to put his mark on the team, we should start by getting a midfield....

by **Ray Pugh** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:02 pm

I've really enjoyed having Kenny back, I like his attitude and his integrity in press conferences (the Liverpool way).
He HAS got us playing better football but is limited by injuries and some poor back-up players. I would not have any problem with Kenny being given the full-time job.

However one question keeps popping into my head. Mourinho is likely to leave Real Madrid at the end of the season, if he was available and wanted to come here for next season which would I prefer, Kenny or Jose?

Mourinho is a proven winner and I think is looking to manage for many years in England again, my only concern is that he plays slightly negative football (as Houllier and Benitez).

Dalglish or Mourinho? I'd probably just opt for Mourinho

If both were available, who would everyone else choose?

by **Kenny Kan** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:05 pm

Ray Pugh wrote:I've really enjoyed having Kenny back, I like his attitude and his integrity in press conferences (the Liverpool way).
He HAS got us playing better football but is limited by injuries and some poor back-up players. I would not have any problem with Kenny being given the full-time job.

However one question keeps popping into my head. Mourinho is likely to leave Real Madrid at the end of the season, if he was available and wanted to come here for next season which would I prefer, Kenny or Jose?

Mourinho is a proven winner and I think is looking to manage for many years in England again, my only concern is that he plays slightly negative football (as Houllier and Benitez).

Dalglish or Mourinho? I'd probably just opt for Mourinho

If both were available, who would everyone else choose?

not sure dawson, probably KK.

by **cptrios** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:12 pm

Ray Pugh wrote:I've really enjoyed having Kenny back, I like his attitude and his integrity in press conferences (the Liverpool way).
He HAS got us playing better football but is limited by injuries and some poor back-up players. I would not have any problem with Kenny being given the full-time job.

However one question keeps popping into my head. Mourinho is likely to leave Real Madrid at the end of the season, if he was available and wanted to come here for next season which would I prefer, Kenny or Jose?

Mourinho is a proven winner and I think is looking to manage for many years in England again, my only concern is that he plays slightly negative football (as Houllier and Benitez).

Dalglish or Mourinho? I'd probably just opt for Mourinho

If both were available, who would everyone else choose?

Kenny. Mourinho's great and all, but why would we want a manager who would shock the world if he stayed with the club for more than 2 years? Sure, Kenny might not have 5 years in him (he's already retired once!), but he'd at least spend his time at the club making sure that the future after him is bright. I don't think Mourinho would give a flying frak what happened to us after he moved on.

by **kalos** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:18 pm

I cannot believe anyone would want KK not to be given at least a 2 yr contract after this season.

What more could he possibly have done given the squad at his disposal and the injury list he has had?

1. Most importantly has united the fans, team and Management- the ABSOLUTE basis for LFC and the "Liverpool Way"- who coming in would do this better?

2. Has breathed new life into an average sqaud and moved us up form 12th to 6th

3. Given the whole club a lift and just seems to HAVE IT - that undefinable quality that all winners do.

If we go for someone else we are going to head the Newcastle road very , very quickly. 3 Managers in less than 12 mths and people are for changing again? Stop smoking the whacky baccy people.
NESV should back this man to the hilt. I for one would like to see 120m spent this summer (gross before income from the dead wood)

by **Ray Pugh** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:23 pm

cptrios wrote:
Ray Pugh wrote:I've really enjoyed having Kenny back, I like his attitude and his integrity in press conferences (the Liverpool way).
He HAS got us playing better football but is limited by injuries and some poor back-up players. I would not have any problem with Kenny being given the full-time job.

However one question keeps popping into my head. Mourinho is likely to leave Real Madrid at the end of the season, if he was available and wanted to come here for next season which would I prefer, Kenny or Jose?

Mourinho is a proven winner and I think is looking to manage for many years in England again, my only concern is that he plays slightly negative football (as Houllier and Benitez).

Dalglish or Mourinho? I'd probably just opt for Mourinho

If both were available, who would everyone else choose?

Kenny. Mourinho's great and all, but why would we want a manager who would shock the world if he stayed with the club for more than 2 years? Sure, Kenny might not have 5 years in him (he's already retired once!), but he'd at least spend his time at the club making sure that the future after him is bright. I don't think Mourinho would give a flying frak what happened to us after he moved on.

Mourinho could quite possibly be still at Chelsea if it weren't for Roman.

However since then he conquered Italy and his plan was then to conquer Spain before returning to England. It is unlikely he will now have the chance to stay with Madrid as he is not popular there, so he is now looking to come back to England for next season (and stay for MANY years). If you look at his potential teams:

Man Utd - Fergie will not go yet, so it's NO there
Chelsea - Unlikely Roman will have him back, so it's NO there
Arsenal - Wenger going nowhere, so it's NO there
Man City - This is a definate possiblity
Tottenham - Redknapp going nowhere while Capello England manager, so it's NO there until 2012.

So the only options are Man City or us (so all depends on Man city's board probably).

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:26 pm

I can see kenny being offered a two year deal max. He truly is a legend but I think FSG will be swayed if a big name manager becomes available. Mourinho for example.

by **haps** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:35 pm

I know you're just trying to stoke debate but come on mate, give the guy more than a couple of months! There's a big job to do - we all know that. Let's see what happens in the summer and how we kick off next year. Kenny hasn't got the players yet to change things enough. No doubt we'll be in the market for top quality wide players, another striker and crucially, a couple of quality defenders in the summer. Then we can form the team that will supply the goals for Suarez, Carroll etc. It's just crazy how anyone could question the definite upswing in the club's fortunes since the takeover and Kenny's appointment. Patience. We were never going to rescue this season after appointing the wrong man for the club last year. Let's not forget that a relegation fight throughout the season was likely until Roy got the boot. Time. Patience. We are on the up. results like Saturday's are obviously a massive disappointment, particularly when we'll probably go out and beat Arsenal and City next but focus on the positives and think ahead. Knee-jerk reactions aren't usually wise.

by **Reg** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:40 pm

jacdaniel wrote:It would be devastating if kenny wasnt giving at least a full season to try and turn things around.

I dont believe KK was brought in to 'turn things round', he was brought in to stop the suicidal rot and unite the fans and team.

So whats the way forward? Our new owners have proved unusually savvy thus far and I'm pretty sure they have an agreeable surprise up their sleeves.

Sit back and bear the pain, all will be revealed either this summer or in 12 months time depending on how much time the owners need, not Kenny. Kenny`s just completing Woy`s wole.

by **Ray Pugh** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:43 pm

As I said I am more than happy with what kenny has done and would be happy for him to carry on.

Its just that I think Mourinho is looking for a club in England for next season and the only real possibilities are Liverpool or Man City (slim outside chance of Chelsea).

Is this a possible reason why FSG have not offered Kenny the full-time job yet?

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