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by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:11 pm

Kenny got it wrong against Braga both times
First time we were shocking. Second time just sh'ite

by **JC_81** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:55 pm

Overall I'm more impressed with our play under Dalglish than under Hodgson or Benitez's last season. We do get more players into the opposition box and try to play with more width. The trouble is he just doesn't have the players yet to suit his preferred tactics, nor does he have enough depth in the squad in terms of quality to achieve any better results than he is getting imo.

I think Carroll and Suarez replacing Torres and Babel will improve the squad in time and with Comolli/Dalglish I believe we will perform better in the transfer market than under previous regimes.

When you look through our recent lineups though it's clear the squad needs a major overhaul. The best players of Benitez's best team (2008/09) are gone (Alonso, Mascherano, Torres), as are some very decent squad players imo (Riera, Benayoun). Carragher and arguably now Gerrard are past their best. Stevie is still quality but he isn't as productive in the final third anymore, although undoubtedly playing deeper and injuries have contributed.

We no longer have a top class centre back (never mind two), we have no recognised left back capable of staying fit, we have only Gerrard in terms of top quality midfielders and we have no proper wide midfielders. Even if Dalglish got the best out of this lot we'd need a lot of luck to finish top four. So considering he took over when we were bottom half of the table I think he's done a great job in getting us into sixth position. If he can make up 7 points on Spurs now he will have done an unbelievable job.

by **metalhead** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:17 pm

john craig wrote:Overall I'm more impressed with our play under Dalglish than under Hodgson or Benitez's last season. We do get more players into the opposition box and try to play with more width. The trouble is he just doesn't have the players yet to suit his preferred tactics, nor does he have enough depth in the squad in terms of quality to achieve any better results than he is getting imo.

I think Carroll and Suarez replacing Torres and Babel will improve the squad in time and with Comolli/Dalglish I believe we will perform better in the transfer market than under previous regimes.

When you look through our recent lineups though it's clear the squad needs a major overhaul. The best players of Benitez's best team (2008/09) are gone (Alonso, Mascherano, Torres), as are some very decent squad players imo (Riera, Benayoun). Carragher and arguably now Gerrard are past their best. Stevie is still quality but he isn't as productive in the final third anymore, although undoubtedly playing deeper and injuries have contributed.

We no longer have a top class centre back (never mind two), we have no recognised left back capable of staying fit, we have only Gerrard in terms of top quality midfielders and we have no proper wide midfielders. Even if Dalglish got the best out of this lot we'd need a lot of luck to finish top four. So considering he took over when we were bottom half of the table I think he's done a great job in getting us into sixth position. If he can make up 7 points on Spurs now he will have done an unbelievable job.

I agree,

we are mixing it around with Kenny and with our current squad we are doing very well! a bit more quality and we can be back in business next season.

Lets hope we get the right players this time, I trust Kenny/Damien's judgment in the transfer market will reap rewards

good to see you posting again john :buttrock

by **Scottbot** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:07 pm

john craig wrote:Overall I'm more impressed with our play under Dalglish than under Hodgson or Benitez's last season. We do get more players into the opposition box and try to play with more width. The trouble is he just doesn't have the players yet to suit his preferred tactics, nor does he have enough depth in the squad in terms of quality to achieve any better results than he is getting imo.

I think Carroll and Suarez replacing Torres and Babel will improve the squad in time and with Comolli/Dalglish I believe we will perform better in the transfer market than under previous regimes.

When you look through our recent lineups though it's clear the squad needs a major overhaul. The best players of Benitez's best team (2008/09) are gone (Alonso, Mascherano, Torres), as are some very decent squad players imo (Riera, Benayoun). Carragher and arguably now Gerrard are past their best. Stevie is still quality but he isn't as productive in the final third anymore, although undoubtedly playing deeper and injuries have contributed.

We no longer have a top class centre back (never mind two), we have no recognised left back capable of staying fit, we have only Gerrard in terms of top quality midfielders and we have no proper wide midfielders. Even if Dalglish got the best out of this lot we'd need a lot of luck to finish top four. So considering he took over when we were bottom half of the table I think he's done a great job in getting us into sixth position. If he can make up 7 points on Spurs now he will have done an unbelievable job.

On the money

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:23 pm

Thought England looked better last night with the 4-3-3 system and that's how I'd like to see us go. As I was saying elsewhere, somebody like Ashley Young would be ideal in this system alongside Suarez and Carroll in front three. Dirk plays in this system for Holland and thrives, scoring twice last night to add to his recent goal spurt. In modern football you need your wide men to be able to come off the flanks and join in with the front man as much as possible.

This system also suits other players such as Glen Johnson and Steven Gerrard.

by **metalhead** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:48 am

stmichael wrote:Thought England looked better last night with the 4-3-3 system and that's how I'd like to see us go. As I was saying elsewhere, somebody like Ashley Young would be ideal in this system alongside Suarez and Carroll in front three. Dirk plays in this system for Holland and thrives, scoring twice last night to add to his recent goal spurt. In modern football you need your wide men to be able to come off the flanks and join in with the front man as much as possible.

This system also suits other players such as Glen Johnson and Steven Gerrard.

Dirk Kuyt thrives in the 4-3-3 system because he has quality players all over that gets the best out of him. Hopefully with Suarez, Young (in the summer) players that would compliment him and Andy Carroll in attack. I don't know if it suits Gerrard to be honest, because with that system we are seeing him playing more deeper and not going forward as much, unless we play with two holding midfielders and Gerrard is instructed to go more forward. Agreed about Johnson.

by **parchpea** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:29 am

Even teams at non league level have been using the 4-3-3 for quite some time now because its a very good system.Blackpool for instance caught a few out with it coming in to this league but some of the bigger sides have been slow to react, until now that it. Carroll at the spearhead for us with Suarez and Kuyt either side is perfect for us right now but what we do lack is real pace but thats the same old for us which will hopefully be rectified in the summer.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:40 pm

Woy wavages weds
So he has his wevenge. And sweet it must have tasted too
The man booted out for not being good enough because of his small club mentality beats us with an inferior team. You couldnt make it up!
Lets be painfully honest here.
The players we had on the pitch throughout that match were, or rather should have been capable of beating woys nobodys.
I know johnson and agger went off injured but can anyone seriously say that was the reason we played so woefully and got turned over by a bunch of average players? How many internationals were in our team compared to theirs?
Suarez was the only one to come out with any sort of recommendation. Kuyt reverted to his "Im a headless chicken who can run through brick walls" routine. Lucas put on his "now you see me, now you dont" disappearing act. The rest of the team were anonymous, but special mention has to go to Carroll. The lad has undoubted potential and talent. But if he lets defenders get the better of him and squeals like a little bitch to the ref like he did yesterday he will be a marked man for every yard dog in the league. Man up for fu'cks sake and dish some out. He was terrible yesterday and only highlighted the lack of balls from our players.
Credit to woy for somehow inspiring his humble side to beat our superior team

by **Kukilon** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:01 pm

I agree. Sweet for Roy to get his revenge and you knew his team would be up for it from the start because of it.

We need to stop hoofing balls towards Carrol because it will never work. It should be and option and not our main tactic.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:21 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:I know johnson and agger went off injured but can anyone seriously say that was the reason we played so woefully and got turned over by a bunch of average players?

I generally agree with the overarching point of your post but I think it is worth remembering that they beat us on the strength of two penalties conceded through the boneheadedness of Kyrgiakos (1 directly, 1 indirectly)...who wouldn't have been on the pitch were it not for the injuries. So, yeah, I kind of think the injuries had a pretty substantial bearing on the result.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:38 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:I know johnson and agger went off injured but can anyone seriously say that was the reason we played so woefully and got turned over by a bunch of average players?

I generally agree with the overarching point of your post but I think it is worth remembering that they beat us on the strength of two penalties conceded through the boneheadedness of Kyrgiakos (1 directly, 1 indirectly)...who wouldn't have been on the pitch were it not for the injuries. So, yeah, I kind of think the injuries had a pretty substantial bearing on the result.

I take your point but incidents happen all the time
I think even if we'd have played for another hour or two we still wouldnt have won because of our attitude and performance
It was a bad day at the office no matter what way we look at it and by and large the better team on the day won

by **shabelle50** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:23 pm

I'm sure Kenny would play a more attacking style home and away if he could but the limitations of this squad is all too apparent. Also because of Kelly's injury the 3-5-2 system has been abandoned not that it has been that successful when tried.

My guess is that yesterday the performance level may have dropped again because they understimated West Brom after the the Sunderland win.

I genuinely don't know where we go from here it's better in terms of spirit and organisation at times than under Roy but other than that I'm quite worried about the future. Things have to radically change I doubt they will until the summer and without the purchase of pace and quality in the summer I'm not optimistic right now of much improvement next season.

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:23 pm

is he going to get the job full time?
going by other forums fans are now spilt if he should, some dont like the football we are playing, just boot the ball up there and keep it high. some think he has got it spot on.

to start with i think he has lifted the club, but its only going to take another bad result in the next two games for even more to ask if he should be here next season.

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:53 pm

lakes10 wrote:is he going to get the job full time?
going by other forums fans are now spilt if he should, some dont like the football we are playing, just boot the ball up there and keep it high. some think he has got it spot on.

to start with i think he has lifted the club, but its only going to take another bad result in the next two games for even more to ask if he should be here next season.

unfortunately that's modern day football fans for you. one week the manager is flavour of the month when you get a couple of decent results. then when things don't so well, some fans jump on the manager's back at the first opportunity, as if he's actually supposed to legislate for injuries. as for the style of play, nobody was saying anything when we spanked the mancs recently. does anybody really think that kenny tells our centre halves to hoof it long all the time.

kenny is the man for here and now. personally i'd give him a 2 year contract but be looking no further than that. he's liverpool through and through and is probably the only manager in the league who ferguson won't try playing mind games with. just look at this recent deafening silence on the eve of our game against united. he also defends the club to the hilt and handles the idiots in the media perfectly.

he's the man for the job now imo.

by **worcester_red** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:11 pm

I think Kenny is a much better manager than Woy but what can he do with the :censored:

squad he's inherited. I mean if the players can't get motivated to beat the ex-manager who they presumably had no respect for then what will they get motivated for? I think that for the rest of the season Kenny should try out the youngsters because the vast majority of our 1st team need to be shipped out in the summer.

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