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by **Raoul** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:12 pm

i think he is a keeper. He is still young, he is improving, he works hard and he isn't one to spit the dummy - a good squad player. Sure he has got his faults, he gives away silly free kicks, he has struggled with consistently performing, his passing and ball skills aren't all that they could be - maybe not 'Liverpool quality', but his age means he still has time to develop into a player of some quality, and he can certainly do a job for us right now.

by **Zidane** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:15 am

Fowler and John Craig are being too hard on the lad, he's done more for us in big matches this season and last than Stevie has. However you wanna disect that and just downplay his performances is up to you, but that doesn't sound like settling on anything to me. Stevie has been pretty bad for almost two years now whether people wanna admit that or not for me it's true, he's shown flashes of his brilliance but all in all he has been in bad form. Lucas has been consistently solid and has occasionally, far more often than any of our *star* players, put in top class performances against top opposition. He plays a very ugly style of football I won't deny that but he's very very effective imo. And he's still going to get better, he just isn't a flashy player and probably never will be but he's going to show up day in day out and put in a good shift.

by **red till i die!!** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:02 am

good to see him get a new deal and happy to see him improve this year but he still has a lot to do.
i didnt think he had good season last year in fact quite the opposite.this lad cost us 12 odd mil 4 years ago and came with a lot of hype being brazilian and captain of the under 21's.he was touted as a promising attacking free flowing footballer,and imo has come nowhere near it.he has featured in over a hundred matches for us and he's had way way to many bad games to remember the good ones.
you cannot compare him to gerrard as when stevie was 23 he was ten times the player and at 25 captained a team to win the european cup.gerrard has had a fantastic lfc carreer and now he's ageing we still look for him to haul us out of the sh1t everytime and write him off when he doesent,i dont see it like that its more like now is the time for others to step up and carry the can and the truth is, if the likes of lucas upped his game we wouldnt be so heavily reliant on an ageing gerrard.
this season he has shown some progression and i think its a lot to do with the partnership of him and mereiles more than roy's influence.
i hope he continues to progress and tbh it's about time.
the idea of a brazilian that will get better at playing an ugly style of football,without any skill but will show up and put in a good old shift just doesent cut it with me and i really hope lucas amounts to better than that.

by **jimmy brighton** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:55 am

Zidane wrote:Fowler and John Craig are being too hard on the lad, he's done more for us in big matches this season and last than Stevie has. However you wanna disect that and just downplay his performances is up to you, but that doesn't sound like settling on anything to me. Stevie has been pretty bad for almost two years now whether people wanna admit that or not for me it's true, he's shown flashes of his brilliance but all in all he has been in bad form. Lucas has been consistently solid and has occasionally, far more often than any of our *star* players, put in top class performances against top opposition. He plays a very ugly style of football I won't deny that but he's very very effective imo. And he's still going to get better, he just isn't a flashy player and probably never will be but he's going to show up day in day out and put in a good shift.

Totally agreed with this. He's bossed the midfield so many times this season (when we've actually won!) and still gets no credit for it at all

by **only me** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:44 pm

Simple, as long as Lucas is the starting CM for Liverpool we will never succeed. I just can't get all his supporters and believers on this forum ,after so many games and chances he got over the years i haven't set eye on ONE good skill he has ,just ONE. Not fast enough ,not strong enough ,no skillfull enough ,not a good finishers in the air and on the ground ,his tackles are often late ,his passes have no impact on the play ,What in god's name do people see in him? The Fact Paulson is dirt poor doesn't make him our permenant solution ,he his hard working loyal player that's it. On almos the most importent position on the pitch we just can't afford of having Lucas.

by **Waldo** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:05 pm

only me wrote:Simple, as long as Lucas is the starting CM for Liverpool we will never succeed. I just can't get all his supporters and believers on this forum ,after so many games and chances he got over the years i haven't set eye on ONE good skill he has ,just ONE. Not fast enough ,not strong enough ,no skillfull enough ,not a good finishers in the air and on the ground ,his tackles are often late ,his passes have no impact on the play ,What in god's name do people see in him? The Fact Paulson is dirt poor doesn't make him our permenant solution ,he his hard working loyal player that's it. On almos the most importent position on the pitch we just can't afford of having Lucas.

Nonsense!!

by **only me** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:11 pm

Waldo wrote:
only me wrote:Simple, as long as Lucas is the starting CM for Liverpool we will never succeed. I just can't get all his supporters and believers on this forum ,after so many games and chances he got over the years i haven't set eye on ONE good skill he has ,just ONE. Not fast enough ,not strong enough ,no skillfull enough ,not a good finishers in the air and on the ground ,his tackles are often late ,his passes have no impact on the play ,What in god's name do people see in him? The Fact Paulson is dirt poor doesn't make him our permenant solution ,he his hard working loyal player that's it. On almos the most importent position on the pitch we just can't afford of having Lucas.

Nonsense!!

Great Arguement.....

by **andy_g** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:23 pm

Raoul wrote:i think he is a keeper.

can't disagree more. his best position is definitely centre mid.

i also think that those that still fail to see what quality he has - even without believing he's world class - are still letting their prejudices colour there judgement. try and watch the game objectively and without preconception and you'll see just how much impact he has.

by **Zidane** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:59 pm

What andy said, Lucas and Raul have been bossing midfield for a while now, it's the rest of the team that is constantly letting us down. Don't make Lucas the scapegoat for the lack of quality within our squad.

by **Raoul** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:01 am

andy_g wrote:
Raoul wrote:i think he is a keeper.

can't disagree more. his best position is definitely centre mid.

andy_g wrote:i also think that those that still fail to see what quality he has - even without believing he's world class - are still letting their prejudices colour there judgement. try and watch the game objectively and without preconception and you'll see just how much impact he has.

And he is only 23. Not a wonderkid, but still more to come from him. His attitude appears to be first class, so he is likely to keep working hard for the squad and improving himself.

by **boodiddy1** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:29 am

red till i die!! wrote:good to see him get a new deal and happy to see him improve this year but he still has a lot to do.
i didnt think he had good season last year in fact quite the opposite.this lad cost us 12 odd mil 4 years ago and came with a lot of hype being brazilian and captain of the under 21's.he was touted as a promising attacking free flowing footballer,and imo has come nowhere near it.he has featured in over a hundred matches for us and he's had way way to many bad games to remember the good ones.
you cannot compare him to gerrard as when stevie was 23 he was ten times the player and at 25 captained a team to win the european cup.gerrard has had a fantastic lfc carreer and now he's ageing we still look for him to haul us out of the sh1t everytime and write him off when he doesent,i dont see it like that its more like now is the time for others to step up and carry the can and the truth is, if the likes of lucas upped his game we wouldnt be so heavily reliant on an ageing gerrard.
this season he has shown some progression and i think its a lot to do with the partnership of him and mereiles more than roy's influence.
i hope he continues to progress and tbh it's about time.
the idea of a brazilian that will get better at playing an ugly style of football,without any skill but will show up and put in a good old shift just doesent cut it with me and i really hope lucas amounts to better than that.

The lad cost 6m. Babel was the overpriced, overhyped superstar.

Lucas is doing well, not fantastic but improving. In a strong squad could be our fletcher. But, because the team struggles it highlighted his faults. In a great team, Lucas will do well.

by **roysreds** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:19 pm

.
vote for Lucas

http://en.sambafoot.com/samba-d-or.html

I voted

1. Lucas
2. Hulk
3. Ronaldhino
.

by **redhayesy** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:02 pm

after last nights :censored:

excuss of a performance,he can feck off. like him last night-i can't be bothered!

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:25 pm

Lets see you put Lucas with Meireles in the middle, and he wins many plaudits on his performances ,you place him with Gerrard a player whilst many pundits would acclaim centre mid is his best position ...sadly we all know how uncomfortable Gerrard has looked this season in this role Then again I'm sure Lucas is no stranger to forum abuse so lets go with that old chestnut ...... Last night confirmed to me how player power really runs the show at Anfield .... Gerrard should have been on the bench he should have been nowhere near the starting eleven .....ffs we used to say Evans was too nice a man to make decisions and indeed it so proved ... Meireles on the wing simply confirmed the lack of any spine in our current manager ....Agger on the bench after going public heralding his return ,another mystery Rodriguez on the bench who without argument has been one of the few pluses of this dismal season ....and all these changes (Albeit from the now despairing Agger ) made so as to accommodate our Capt in the middle .................baffling but hey the manager can always blame the fans rather than risk the wrath of his fav English players

by **taff** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:07 pm

Can anybody please tell me why they think Lucas is rubbish. In fairness to the lad he looked better than SG last night

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