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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:39 am

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shabelle50 wrote:Woy must only have weeks to save his job if the display tonight is anything to go by.

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Your kidding right !?

No?...still funny...

They mustnt have heard the owners say that tonight was a meaningless match which is why the kids got in free?

???

An wouldnt you have thought they would of turned up for them kids,put on a bit of a show like, Not use negative boring tactics at home, when you know youve qualified already,

As i said before kids up to the age of 17 were allowed in last night, most of them kids have either not been able to get aticket before because of finace or have been taken by theedads last night for a traet hoping that one day theyll walk up everton valley together, But the dire performace that was put in will have half them kids well the younger ones, going home to there mams and saying ,dont believe him mam when hes getting all spruced up and exited on a sat/sun and says hes off the match, hes going somewhere else to get his exitement, its c.rap, its boring hes lying mam follow him, Never mind apologising to the journos about not playing Fernando he should be apologising to the fans who turned up last night, free or not, this is how some kids are swayed if thereyoung enough into going to watch other sides who i wont mention, 

Yous lads are gonna start getting followed on a sat/sun exited from going the match , ha you lying b.stard

To be fair Nan Ive got a mate who works in the Royal and he said there was a line of ambulances bringing kids from the match who had been "distressed and psychologically damaged" by what they had seen in Anfield. The doctors said that some of them "must never watch a match, even on telly while Roys still here"
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Ive been to plenty of boring games in my time and it never put me off. Im sure if you asked those kids theyd say they were absolutely made up to be at a match watching their heroes play.
I think you and the other Roy haters are speaking from your own perspective and frankly going way over the top with all the drama
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Postby Red-er-Dare » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:45 am

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The Good Yank wrote:Igor I think a big part of it all is that even those of us that don't rip Roy a new :censored: hole at every turn know that he won't be the manager of LFC next season. 

The club is still in a transitional phase and that transition will continue into the off season (when it is more likely that a more suitable manager can be signed on.  This is a period in which cooler heads need to prevail.  Yes Roy is not the man to take the club into this new era.  He is simply a stopgap through the transition.

The problem mate , is that while the gap is being stopped . We are loseing even more ground and going backwards . We can't afford to do that . We are now competeing withe the likes of birmingham and blackpool ffs where as 18 months ago we were competeing for the feckin league .

Why aren't the most vocalised of vitirol spewing, personal insult throwing, supporters slagging NESV for doing sweet FA?  ???

Here I'll start:

Fecking Yanks, lynch em  :angry: ...
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Postby rocky29 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:56 am

my worry with NESV is they keep going about ages and youth. I think if they go down that route signing only young players it will backfire. We need some experienced class players first then we can mould in the youngsters. I would say get scott parker on the cheap maybe darren bent aswell.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:05 pm

lakes10 wrote:for me i would like to see what sort of team roy would build.......

HIS team are currently sitting 17th in the League, yes HIS Fulham, his players, all his buys.

So no thanx I dont want to see him build anything here !!!!
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Postby rocky29 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:17 pm

says hiddink being lined up if ancellotti leaves in summer. Now that would be someone that would make a difference and isnt to old.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:18 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Why do people keep harking back to rafa when trying to defend hodgson ,like last season which was very poor by our standing makes this even worse season more acceptable . I'll make a comparison shall i ?

Atleats fans are split 50/50 on weather it was right to sack rafa and there is/was a debate to be had .

99.9% of fans know that hodgson is the wrong man in charge and should be sacked , be it now or the end of the season . Now there's a good comparison and no debate atall . Feckin clueless sh!te and total ineptitude on the grandest scale . He needs to stick to hunting mice after midnight in freshfields woods , he'd defo get more success there .

I just can't see him being sacked before the end of the season. As much as the season has not met any expectation, it still could be worse. Until it gets worse and we're realistically out of reach of 4th then he'll stay.

Positives
* Still in Europa, qualified top of the group.
* Still not out of reach of 4th.
* Improved performances in some squad players who have been average.

Negatives
* Away form is dire.
* Poor signings (excluding Cole).
* Poor motivation of team at times.
* Defensively vulnerable. Disjointed.

I think if I'm being objective the season is average. Poor compared to previous seasons.

Those who claim that Benitez would have us in the top four are just speculating. Based on last seasons woes it's highly likely the we would be in the same position. Benitez failed to motivate and get the best of this squad just as Hodgson is failing to do also.

The crux of the matter is the squad needs both investment and direction. Investment that has been missing until now. Direction that also has been missing (at least for the last 2 seasons including this).
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:24 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Why do people keep harking back to rafa when trying to defend hodgson ,like last season which was very poor by our standing makes this even worse season more acceptable . I'll make a comparison shall i ?

Atleats fans are split 50/50 on weather it was right to sack rafa and there is/was a debate to be had .

99.9% of fans know that hodgson is the wrong man in charge and should be sacked , be it now or the end of the season . Now there's a good comparison and no debate atall . Feckin clueless sh!te and total ineptitude on the grandest scale . He needs to stick to hunting mice after midnight in freshfields woods , he'd defo get more success there .

I just can't see him being sacked before the end of the season. As much as the season has not met any expectation, it still could be worse. Until it gets worse and we're realistically out of reach of 4th then he'll stay.

Positives
* Still in Europa, qualified top of the group.
* Still not out of reach of 4th.
* Improved performances in some squad players who have been average.

Negatives
* Away form is dire.
* Poor signings (excluding Cole).
* Poor motivation of team at times.
* Defensively vulnerable. Disjointed.

I think if I'm being objective the season is average. Poor compared to previous seasons.

Those who claim that Benitez would have us in the top four are just speculating. Based on last seasons woes it's highly likely the we would be in the same position. Benitez failed to motivate and get the best of this squad just as Hodgson is failing to do also.

The crux of the matter is the squad needs both investment and direction. Investment that has been missing until now. Direction that also has been missing (at least for the last 2 seasons including this).

that's a very good well balanced post that mate.
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Postby Bad Bob » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:26 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Feckin clueless sh!te and total ineptitude on the grandest scale . He needs to stick to hunting mice after midnight in freshfields woods , he'd defo get more success there .

Et tu, Igor? ???

I'm still completely puzzled why some posters act as if Roy pushed their gran down a flight of stairs.  He's a decent manager out of his depth not the spawn of the devil, FFS.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:28 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Why do people keep harking back to rafa when trying to defend hodgson ,like last season which was very poor by our standing makes this even worse season more acceptable . I'll make a comparison shall i ?

Atleats fans are split 50/50 on weather it was right to sack rafa and there is/was a debate to be had .

99.9% of fans know that hodgson is the wrong man in charge and should be sacked , be it now or the end of the season . Now there's a good comparison and no debate atall . Feckin clueless sh!te and total ineptitude on the grandest scale . He needs to stick to hunting mice after midnight in freshfields woods , he'd defo get more success there .

I just can't see him being sacked before the end of the season. As much as the season has not met any expectation, it still could be worse. Until it gets worse and we're realistically out of reach of 4th then he'll stay.

Positives
* Still in Europa, qualified top of the group.
* Still not out of reach of 4th.
* Improved performances in some squad players who have been average.

Negatives
* Away form is dire.
* Poor signings (excluding Cole).
* Poor motivation of team at times.
* Defensively vulnerable. Disjointed.

I think if I'm being objective the season is average. Poor compared to previous seasons.

Those who claim that Benitez would have us in the top four are just speculating. Based on last seasons woes it's highly likely the we would be in the same position. Benitez failed to motivate and get the best of this squad just as Hodgson is failing to do also.

The crux of the matter is the squad needs both investment and direction. Investment that has been missing until now. Direction that also has been missing (at least for the last 2 seasons including this).

Pretty balanced post - i would change cole for Merieles in the poor signing bit

And would add poor tactics and set ups in the negative along with comments to press from manager
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Postby worcester_red » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:47 pm

rocky29 wrote:its the squad not the manager. If we dont invest heavily we will get let behind. FACT.

Apologies but who asembled this vast squad of mostly :censored:? Is it the great Rafa perchance. I am still astounded why peopel hark back to him fondly, he more than anyone else, with the exception of Souness, has taken our club backwards.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:52 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Feckin clueless sh!te and total ineptitude on the grandest scale . He needs to stick to hunting mice after midnight in freshfields woods , he'd defo get more success there .

Et tu, Igor? ???

I'm still completely puzzled why some posters act as if Roy pushed their gran down a flight of stairs.  He's a decent manager out of his depth not the spawn of the devil, FFS.

Liverpool fans have a history of backing there manager's yes ?
Do you not think that things must be bad if Liverpool fans are turning on there manager ? Do you not think that the most educated and fair minded fans in the world think that summit up for them to turn on there manager like they have ? The thing is Bob it's not like hodgson is not new to us is it , it's not like we havent seen what he is/isn't capable of after 35years of management . We new when he was a appointed it was a major f.uck up and it's being born out now . The man is hated for what he is doing and he's going to be pushed if he doesn't walk .

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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:13 pm

Dec 16 2010 by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

I'm sorry over Torres U-turn, Roy Hodgson tells LFC fans



ROY HODGSON has apologised to Liverpool supporters for his “change of heart” regarding the selection of Fernando Torres for last night's final Europa League group game with Utrecht.

The Reds boss had vowed to start the Spaniard in the 'dead rubber' against the Dutch side, in the belief Torres needed a game to boost his confidence after a lean month.

However, Hodgson, whose side had already qualifed as group winners,  was convinced by the club's sports science staff not to risk playing him. Instead Torres watched the dour 0-0 draw from the bench.

Several thousand children had been allowed in free of charge for the game at  Anfield, following a gesture by new Anerican owners John W Henry and Tom Werner.

“I had a change of heart and I must apologise,” said Hodgson, who also apologised to the media for misleading them..

“I was certainly considering giving Fernando a start. I thought it would be a nice game for him but I also had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn’t the wisest thing to do.

“We have already qualified and, if he played, he would be taking the place of a young player who needs the chance to stake his place in the team. And of course it would be very bad for us if he picked up an injury.

“They made me see sense, I listened to the reason around me and I changed my mind. I am a bit sad that, unintentionally, I tricked some supporters and a few journalists.”

Hodgson added: “After discussions with the conditioning people in particular they persuaded me to see the error of my ways.

“I had this vision of Fernando Torres going out there and having a great 45 minutes, being good for his confidence, maybe scoring a goal and giving him a little lift.

“And I was thinking he didn’t play against Aston Villa so I wasn’t exactly bashing him and he was quite looking forward to playing,

“But when we sat down at the club in the afternoon and started to talk about it again it seemed to me that the potential disadvantages probably outweighed any potential advantage, so I regret that I misled you. It certainly wasn’t intentional.

“There was 40,000 tickets sold anyway before the game so there was no need to sell the game.

“The physical people told me that any game is a risk of injury and we want to do a good training session tomorrow which was another factor.

“If he’d played 45 minutes he’d be doing a warm down now instead of a major training session with the boys who are going to play against Fulham.”

Hodgson also explained the absence of Pepe Reina, having said before the game that the Spaniard would also start.

“Pepe Reina actually helped me,” he said.

“He did say initially after the Steaua game he would give Brad a chance in the next one, then we found out that the Australian coach was coming to the Utrecht game so Pepe was happy to step aside even though he loves to play.

“The real positive is that by reneging on my first idea to play Torres and Reina it means I’ve got through with a totally fresh team – apart from Kyrgiakos and Skrtel who played a half each – to face Fulham on Saturday.

“That if I’m being frank is the ultimate satisfaction.

“If I’d had other centre-haves I wouldn’t have played either of them, either.”

Hodgson insisted there were positives to take from the tedious and uninspiring goalless draw.

“This is a side which was very short of match practice - even the experienced players have played so few matches – and some of the younger ones were playing only their second and third matches in the first team,” he said.

“There were one or two positives - the performance of Danny Wilson for example, Martin Kelly and Daniel Pacheco when he came on, while Brad Jones kept a clean sheet.”

However, he admitted Joe Cole had failed to shine once again.

Hodgson said: “Players like Joe Cole play on very small margins and he actually struck the shot very well. If he’s struck it less well he might have had more success.

“He sets himself high standards. he’s an honest lad and I’m sure he’ll come off the field feeling that wasn’t the performance I wanted to give. I’m better than that and I can do better than that.

“It was just unfortunate he wasn’t able to show that tonight but it wasn’t through lack of effort or want of trying. It didn’t go his way and that can happen.” 


Even letting him take to the field for the last 5 minutes would have gone some way towards  appeasing  the Kids (and the Adults unfortunate to have actually paid to view this dross ) who had endured this torturous display ......
So what do we get yet another stomach churning apology from Mr Hodgson ...... is there anything left he can apologise for ?
Well please allow me to answer that question : Yes Roy you can offer your heartfelt apologies to the suffering supporters for ever believing you were competent, or had the capabilities to  manage this GREAT CLUB .....  then you can leave us with the remnants of this season ,for a manager who wont  have many reasons to be sorry .....possibly someone with a fucking clue what a top team should resemble
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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:17 pm

Igor, Roy wasn't even given a chance by those who felt Rafa had been given a rough deal. That, in turn, annoyed those who thought Rafa's time was up and a change was needed. Therefore, we have the current situation.

No one said Roy was their first choice, no one. However, He's not a fool and (as Bad Bob points out) the hatred for him is laughable at best and cringeworthy at worst. Especially the personal attacks on him.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:18 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Dec 16 2010 by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

I'm sorry over Torres U-turn, Roy Hodgson tells LFC fans



ROY HODGSON has apologised to Liverpool supporters for his “change of heart” regarding the selection of Fernando Torres for last night's final Europa League group game with Utrecht.

The Reds boss had vowed to start the Spaniard in the 'dead rubber' against the Dutch side, in the belief Torres needed a game to boost his confidence after a lean month.

However, Hodgson, whose side had already qualifed as group winners,  was convinced by the club's sports science staff not to risk playing him. Instead Torres watched the dour 0-0 draw from the bench.

Several thousand children had been allowed in free of charge for the game at  Anfield, following a gesture by new Anerican owners John W Henry and Tom Werner.

“I had a change of heart and I must apologise,” said Hodgson, who also apologised to the media for misleading them..

“I was certainly considering giving Fernando a start. I thought it would be a nice game for him but I also had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn’t the wisest thing to do.

“We have already qualified and, if he played, he would be taking the place of a young player who needs the chance to stake his place in the team. And of course it would be very bad for us if he picked up an injury.

“They made me see sense, I listened to the reason around me and I changed my mind. I am a bit sad that, unintentionally, I tricked some supporters and a few journalists.”

Hodgson added: “After discussions with the conditioning people in particular they persuaded me to see the error of my ways.

“I had this vision of Fernando Torres going out there and having a great 45 minutes, being good for his confidence, maybe scoring a goal and giving him a little lift.

“And I was thinking he didn’t play against Aston Villa so I wasn’t exactly bashing him and he was quite looking forward to playing,

“But when we sat down at the club in the afternoon and started to talk about it again it seemed to me that the potential disadvantages probably outweighed any potential advantage, so I regret that I misled you. It certainly wasn’t intentional.

“There was 40,000 tickets sold anyway before the game so there was no need to sell the game.

“The physical people told me that any game is a risk of injury and we want to do a good training session tomorrow which was another factor.

“If he’d played 45 minutes he’d be doing a warm down now instead of a major training session with the boys who are going to play against Fulham.”

Hodgson also explained the absence of Pepe Reina, having said before the game that the Spaniard would also start.

“Pepe Reina actually helped me,” he said.

“He did say initially after the Steaua game he would give Brad a chance in the next one, then we found out that the Australian coach was coming to the Utrecht game so Pepe was happy to step aside even though he loves to play.

“The real positive is that by reneging on my first idea to play Torres and Reina it means I’ve got through with a totally fresh team – apart from Kyrgiakos and Skrtel who played a half each – to face Fulham on Saturday.

“That if I’m being frank is the ultimate satisfaction.

“If I’d had other centre-haves I wouldn’t have played either of them, either.”

Hodgson insisted there were positives to take from the tedious and uninspiring goalless draw.

“This is a side which was very short of match practice - even the experienced players have played so few matches – and some of the younger ones were playing only their second and third matches in the first team,” he said.

“There were one or two positives - the performance of Danny Wilson for example, Martin Kelly and Daniel Pacheco when he came on, while Brad Jones kept a clean sheet.”

However, he admitted Joe Cole had failed to shine once again.

Hodgson said: “Players like Joe Cole play on very small margins and he actually struck the shot very well. If he’s struck it less well he might have had more success.

“He sets himself high standards. he’s an honest lad and I’m sure he’ll come off the field feeling that wasn’t the performance I wanted to give. I’m better than that and I can do better than that.

“It was just unfortunate he wasn’t able to show that tonight but it wasn’t through lack of effort or want of trying. It didn’t go his way and that can happen.” 


Even letting him take to the field for the last 5 minutes would have gone some way towards  appeasing  the Kids (and the Adults unfortunate to have actually paid to view this dross ) who had endured this torturous display ......
So what do we get yet another stomach churning apology from Mr Hodgson ...... is there anything left he can apologise for ?
Well please allow me to answer that question : Yes Roy you can offer your heartfelt apologies to the suffering supporters for ever believing you were competent, or had the capabilities to  manage this GREAT CLUB .....  then you can leave us with the remnants of this season ,for a manager who wont  have many reasons to be sorry .....possibly someone with a fucking clue what a top team should resemble

and if Torres got injured Roy would have then got slaughtered for playing him for a pointless 5 mins. The guy can't win.
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Postby Bad Bob » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:34 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:The man is hated for what he is doing and he's going to be pushed if he doesn't walk .

I'll never understand this, mate.  I understand hating twit and tw.at, as they consistently looked to feather their own nests at the expense of Liverpool Football Club, systematically undermining the club in the process.  That kind of thing deserves hatred.  Roy, on the other hand, is giving it his honest effort in trying to manage the club.  He's not succeeding and he does need to go--of that I am convinced--but I can't fathom how hatred enters into it with him.  Frustration?  Absolutely.  Impatience?  Understandably.  Embarassment?  Occasionally.  But hatred?  Really?  Roy's being whipped up into some mustache-twirling pantomime villain in a manner out of all proportion to his actual impact on the club.  IMHO, that's well over the top and does the storied reputation of Liverpool supporters no favours whatsoever.
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