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by **andy_g** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:39 pm

LiverpoolMadman wrote:What I puzzled about Roy is

1) in beginning when he sign that contract , he was given money and as a manager he have every right to buy players ( suitable with his systems ) and sell players ( NOT suitable with his systems ), players like Torres, Babel, Pac, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger) but he fail to do that ... and now he's telling the world that this is NOT his team

2)) "why he NOT brave enough to "drop" players that nonperforming and play with the player that he think suitable for the long ball. If he brave enough to ( drop players that NOT suitable for the long ball) and wining all the games or at least now we are top 4 ... we all won't be talking about this ...

can you outline why it is that you think that hodgson is playing a long ball game and then why the players you mention aren't suitable for it? can you also explain why, if we are playing a long ball game, players like maxi who is all about short and tidy complex passing moves to feet has been having his best games for us this season?

do you also really seriously think any manager in their right mind is going to consider selling torres, johnson and agger at the start of the season?

just to humour the idea that we ARE playing long ball for a moment. who do you think he should bring into the team (that we already have in the squad) that would benefit from playing that way?

can you tell me if you are capable of having more than one new thought every week?

by **Ciggy** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:39 pm

andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:43 pm

Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:47 pm

andy_g wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:What I puzzled about Roy is

1) in beginning when he sign that contract , he was given money and as a manager he have every right to buy players ( suitable with his systems ) and sell players ( NOT suitable with his systems ), players like Torres, Babel, Pac, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger) but he fail to do that ... and now he's telling the world that this is NOT his team

2)) "why he NOT brave enough to "drop" players that nonperforming and play with the player that he think suitable for the long ball. If he brave enough to ( drop players that NOT suitable for the long ball) and wining all the games or at least now we are top 4 ... we all won't be talking about this ...

can you outline why it is that you think that hodgson is playing a long ball game and then why the players you mention aren't suitable for it? can you also explain why, if we are playing a long ball game, players like maxi who is all about short and tidy complex passing moves to feet has been having his best games for us this season?

do you also really seriously think any manager in their right mind is going to consider selling torres, johnson and agger at the start of the season?

just to humour the idea that we ARE playing long ball for a moment. who do you think he should bring into the team (that we already have in the squad) that would benefit from playing that way?

can you tell me if you are capable of having more than one new thought every week?

Let see the next six matches ....

by **maguskwt** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:49 pm

Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

Spot on Ciggy, I just don't understand why some people are still supporting him. Is it because he's a British manager?

by **andy_g** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:52 pm

i think that under the chaotic circumstances that any new manager would have entered the club he would deserve a little time for the club as a whole to settle. i think that maybe a little more time would be necessary to see if we can get a couple of good players in january. i think he also needs time because his super star striker is sulking around the pitch like a spoilt brat who has forgotten how to play football. i think he also needs time to get some proper defenders back from injury. i think he also deserves a little more time because he has shown that he wants us to play a more attacking 4-4-2 (which many of us wanted to see) and because he is showing faith in the youth. finally i think he deserved time because apart from the one bad signing (poulsen) and the mediocre one (konchesky) he has made one excellent signing in raul mereiles.

i'm realistic enough to know that its possible he might not be able to really deliver despite these little signs amongst the larger upheavals, but at this moment in time i don't think it would be at all practical to try it with someone else.

by **andy_g** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:53 pm

LiverpoolMadman wrote:
andy_g wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:What I puzzled about Roy is

1) in beginning when he sign that contract , he was given money and as a manager he have every right to buy players ( suitable with his systems ) and sell players ( NOT suitable with his systems ), players like Torres, Babel, Pac, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger) but he fail to do that ... and now he's telling the world that this is NOT his team

2)) "why he NOT brave enough to "drop" players that nonperforming and play with the player that he think suitable for the long ball. If he brave enough to ( drop players that NOT suitable for the long ball) and wining all the games or at least now we are top 4 ... we all won't be talking about this ...

can you outline why it is that you think that hodgson is playing a long ball game and then why the players you mention aren't suitable for it? can you also explain why, if we are playing a long ball game, players like maxi who is all about short and tidy complex passing moves to feet has been having his best games for us this season?

do you also really seriously think any manager in their right mind is going to consider selling torres, johnson and agger at the start of the season?

just to humour the idea that we ARE playing long ball for a moment. who do you think he should bring into the team (that we already have in the squad) that would benefit from playing that way?

can you tell me if you are capable of having more than one new thought every week?

Let see the next six matches ....

nah, fúck it... lets see the next 20

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:59 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

Spot on Ciggy, I just don't understand why some people are still supporting him. Is it because he's a British manager?

100% correct :buttrock

....

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:06 pm

It has nothing to do for being a British manager. All managers need time and patience, regardless of their background, they need time to build.

unfortunately for Roy, he never had it, and won't have it.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:06 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

What answer did you come up with when people asked you the same question when you were asking for Rafa to go ?

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:12 pm

andy_g wrote:i think that under the chaotic circumstances that any new manager would have entered the club he would deserve a little time for the club as a whole to settle. i think that maybe a little more time would be necessary to see if we can get a couple of good players in january. i think he also needs time because his super star striker is sulking around the pitch like a spoilt brat who has forgotten how to play football. i think he also needs time to get some proper defenders back from injury. i think he also deserves a little more time because he has shown that he wants us to play a more attacking 4-4-2 (which many of us wanted to see) and because he is showing faith in the youth. finally i think he deserved time because apart from the one bad signing (poulsen) and the mediocre one (konchesky) he has made one excellent signing in raul mereiles.

i'm realistic enough to know that its possible he might not be able to really deliver despite these little signs amongst the larger upheavals, but at this moment in time i don't think it would be at all practical to try it with someone else.

Andy ,the man has been a manager for 35years .He has been liverpool manager for nearly half a season . He has done nothing in those 35 years and half a season with us to warrant more time . He isn't going to change his style of playing footy (he said so himself). He's also said that he is doing his best and can do no more . That's fair enough but it's clearly not good enough . Let him go now and let us either get kenny in until the end of the season which will give us time to get the right man in or get the right man in now if they have a choice . We cannot go on like this as evryone is demorilised , the team clearly is and the fans speak for themselves.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:13 pm

I'd be fine with the decision of the new owners were to sack him now and appoint Kenny as interim manager. Roy doesn't feel like a long-term manager for this club so it's really just a question of when rather than if when it comes to getting shut. That's my honest perspective from a footballing standpoint. From a Newkit standpoint I wake up everyday hoping he's been sacked so that this place might go back to being mildly interesting and enjoyable once again. Of course, then I realize that we'll probably still be arguing about Roy months after he's gone, as has happened with the other previous manager.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:21 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I'd be fine with the decision of the new owners were to sack him now and appoint Kenny as interim manager. Roy doesn't feel like a long-term manager for this club so it's really just a question of when rather than if when it comes to getting shut. That's my honest perspective from a footballing standpoint. From a Newkit standpoint I wake up everyday hoping he's been sacked so that this place might go back to being mildly interesting and enjoyable once again. Of course, then I realize that we'll probably still be arguing about Roy months after he's gone, as has happened with the other previous manager.

Yeh, same, but I think getting a new manager who will be accepted by the majority of the fans will unify the fans together and we will see better discussions in the future. I think most will forget about Roy if it happens.

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:29 pm

andy_g wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:What I puzzled about Roy is

1) in beginning when he sign that contract , he was given money and as a manager he have every right to buy players ( suitable with his systems ) and sell players ( NOT suitable with his systems ), players like Torres, Babel, Pac, Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger) but he fail to do that ... and now he's telling the world that this is NOT his team

2)) "why he NOT brave enough to "drop" players that nonperforming and play with the player that he think suitable for the long ball. If he brave enough to ( drop players that NOT suitable for the long ball) and wining all the games or at least now we are top 4 ... we all won't be talking about this ...

can you outline why it is that you think that hodgson is playing a long ball game and then why the players you mention aren't suitable for it? can you also explain why, if we are playing a long ball game, players like maxi who is all about short and tidy complex passing moves to feet has been having his best games for us this season?

do you also really seriously think any manager in their right mind is going to consider selling torres, johnson and agger at the start of the season?

just to humour the idea that we ARE playing long ball for a moment. who do you think he should bring into the team (that we already have in the squad) that would benefit from playing that way?

can you tell me if you are capable of having more than one new thought every week?

Why do you have to be so condescending? Especially towards someone who speaks English as a foreign language?

:censored:

.

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:36 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

Spot on Ciggy, I just don't understand why some people are still supporting him. Is it because he's a British manager?

No. It's because they were all busy jizzing over their keyboards when Rafa left and were absolute in their convictions that Roy would get us playing better with his 'motivational skills'. Now their predictions have turned to sh!t, they are too embarrassed and stubborn to admit they were wrong about most things they spewed out.

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