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by **jacdaniel** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:36 am

Very frustrating last night not to put in a performance and get the 3 points. There's more pressure now for us to get a win against Stoke + west ham.

We're stuck in the pack at the moment. Unfortunately the top 4 are creating a bit of a gap.

We have been playing a lot better lately so it was surprising + baffling that we went back to sitting deep. The subs were also really baffling.

Roy deserves a lot of criticism but we also need to realise that the squad is very thin at the minute.

by **tubby** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:50 am

Andrew heaton

Hodgson on the #LFC squad
09/09/10
"We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club"
10/11/10
"We have a small squad of players"

by **dawson99** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:55 am

bavlondon wrote:Andrew heaton

Hodgson on the #LFC squad
09/09/10
"We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club"
10/11/10
"We have a small squad of players"

does overstaffed just talk about the squad? the first team? or anything else?

More stirring, with a severe lack of substance mate

by **only me** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:11 am

The main problem with the squad is that it is highly unbalanced and that is why we can't produce constant positive football.

You have 3 top premier league players in the likes of Pepe ,Gerrard and Torres and along them very weak players as Lucas ,Koncheski and Paulson. In between you have a bunch of unstable players which can perform on one night and completely disappear on the other. We are deeply lacking quality at the moment and it prevents us from progressing.

Roy's signing ,Koncheski ,Paulson and Meireless are quite poor to be honest and for that he is soul responsible. I'm also afraid he is trapped in a mindset of a small club manager and is afraid or uncapable of breaking this pattern. I'm not sure we can get much more with the current set of players and manager. Our defence is a shambles consisting of a very fragile and shakey 4 defenders ,our Defensive CM are a joke and our wingers are either slow/confused/shaky at best. What is worrying me most is that we were unable to produce ONE full game of good performance.

It would be very hard finishing in the top 6 with this set of players and this type of coaching.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:17 am

Ciggy wrote:Daws people are p!ssed off because we sat back after we scored, they are p!ssed off with these tactics, this is what Roy does, this is what he has always done, his away record is absolutly dreadful seriously mate.

Out of 72 points he has managed 12 thats 60 points dropped away from home between us, Blackburn & Fulham. These are the stats mate even the people who love him cannot defend that record its awful.

Havent read the thread but i was and still am not happy with that.
We scored a very good early goal and then sat back and totally allowed them to dominate and the equaliser was a matter of time.
We should have carried on pushing forwards after scoring and tried to put the game to bed.
Massively frustrated me.

by **tubby** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:24 am

dawson99 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Andrew heaton

Hodgson on the #LFC squad
09/09/10
"We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club"
10/11/10
"We have a small squad of players"

does overstaffed just talk about the squad? the first team? or anything else?

More stirring, with a severe lack of substance mate

For clarity and to avoid being accused of twisting anything, i'm going to tweet the original quote in full now

Roy 09/09 After window shut "We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and,if the truth be known, we still are over-staffed"

10/10 "Why were we tired? Napoli, Blackburn, Bolton, Napoli and Chelsea. We have a small squad of players and five of them are out injured.”
Twitter for iPhone • 11/11/2010 08:43

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:25 am

I have calmed down a bit but Im still angry about that performance last night. I will take a point at wigan away but the result was secondary for me as the players needed to show that chelsea was not a one off.
On the positive side Gerrard had two clear goal scoring opportunities and should have scored twice. We started lively and could have won the game.
On the negative I am TOTALLY pi'ssed off with the slack and disgraceful passing that gifted wigan the ball so many times. This then forces us further back which results in hoofing to try and clear. This obviously puts us under more pressure as the ball goes to the opposition time after time. It is horrible to watch and I felt sorry for Roy (as I would for any manager in that position) when the players go into this mind set.
Nobody can seriously say that Hodgson wanted this to happen or preffered this style. Can they?
If so, can someone explain why he would want us to play well for 20 minutes and shi'te for the other 73?
Serious answers please

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:27 am

bavlondon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Andrew heaton

Hodgson on the #LFC squad
09/09/10
"We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club"
10/11/10
"We have a small squad of players"

does overstaffed just talk about the squad? the first team? or anything else?

More stirring, with a severe lack of substance mate

For clarity and to avoid being accused of twisting anything, i'm going to tweet the original quote in full now

Roy 09/09 After window shut "We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and,if the truth be known, we still are over-staffed"

10/10 "Why were we tired? Napoli, Blackburn, Bolton, Napoli and Chelsea. We have a small squad of players and five of them are out injured.”
Twitter for iPhone • 11/11/2010 08:43

Bav you are intelligent and Im sure you can work out what he is saying

by **rocky29** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:28 am

i dont care what anyone says. This team with have now is not a top 4 squad and no manager in the world would get us there right now so stop blaming roy.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:31 am

only me wrote:The main problem with the squad is that it is highly unbalanced and that is why we can't produce constant positive football.

You have 3 top premier league players in the likes of Pepe ,Gerrard and Torres and along them very weak players as Lucas ,Koncheski and Paulson. In between you have a bunch of unstable players which can perform on one night and completely disappear on the other. We are deeply lacking quality at the moment and it prevents us from progressing.

Roy's signing ,Koncheski ,Paulson and Meireless are quite poor to be honest and for that he is soul responsible. I'm also afraid he is trapped in a mindset of a small club manager and is afraid or uncapable of breaking this pattern. I'm not sure we can get much more with the current set of players and manager. Our defence is a shambles consisting of a very fragile and shakey 4 defenders ,our Defensive CM are a joke and our wingers are either slow/confused/shaky at best. What is worrying me most is that we were unable to produce ONE full game of good performance.

It would be very hard finishing in the top 6 with this set of players and this type of coaching.

A couple of points in that post are ridiculous.

1) Lucas should not be grouped in with Poulsen and Konchesky. This is his best season I have seen him play so far for Liverpool.

2) How on earth you can classify Meireles as poor is beyond me. He is quality, you can see it from his touch, movement and interaction with the team.

Ignoring those players who have played under 5 games for the club this season, we have rated them -

Gerrard 6.70
Kyrgiakos 6.56
Reina 6.54
Meireles 6.05
Lucas 6.00
Torres 5.85
Cole 5.72
Skrtel 5.66
Carragher 5.52
Konchesky 5.40
Ngog 5.38
Maxi 5.28
Jovanovic 4.59
Johnson 4.55
Poulsen 4.20

Sorry but your in the minority if you think Lucas and Meireles have been poor this season.

by **tubby** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:33 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
only me wrote:The main problem with the squad is that it is highly unbalanced and that is why we can't produce constant positive football.

You have 3 top premier league players in the likes of Pepe ,Gerrard and Torres and along them very weak players as Lucas ,Koncheski and Paulson. In between you have a bunch of unstable players which can perform on one night and completely disappear on the other. We are deeply lacking quality at the moment and it prevents us from progressing.

Roy's signing ,Koncheski ,Paulson and Meireless are quite poor to be honest and for that he is soul responsible. I'm also afraid he is trapped in a mindset of a small club manager and is afraid or uncapable of breaking this pattern. I'm not sure we can get much more with the current set of players and manager. Our defence is a shambles consisting of a very fragile and shakey 4 defenders ,our Defensive CM are a joke and our wingers are either slow/confused/shaky at best. What is worrying me most is that we were unable to produce ONE full game of good performance.

It would be very hard finishing in the top 6 with this set of players and this type of coaching.

A couple of points in that post are ridiculous.

1) Lucas should not be grouped in with Poulsen and Konchesky. This is his best season I have seen him play so far for Liverpool.

2) How on earth you can classify Meireles as poor is beyond me. He is quality, you can see it from his touch, movement and interaction with the team.

Ignoring those players who have played under 5 games for the club this season, we have rated them -

Gerrard 6.70
Kyrgiakos 6.56
Reina 6.54
Meireles 6.05
Lucas 6.00
Torres 5.85
Cole 5.72
Skrtel 5.66
Carragher 5.52
Konchesky 5.40
Ngog 5.38
Maxi 5.28
Jovanovic 4.59
Johnson 4.55
Poulsen 4.20

Sorry but your in the minority if you think Lucas and Meireles have been poor this season.

Er hello I think he knows that. Name only me?

by **rocky29** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:34 am

the problem is we have a sh'ite defense. A mish mash midfield with no one creative and name me one side in the prem that doesnt have a winger that can cross a ball its a joke.

by **lakes10** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:54 am

the problem in the club has been filled with players that should not even be at the club and we find it hard to put out a strong firts team, when some of that first team get hurt them we have to pick players that should not even be here.

by **lakes10** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:06 am

spent some time looking at the posts being made over night, i am shocked by the change of mood by some members.

can i point out that we did not get beat last night and we are 9th and on the same points as 6th place and one point off 5th place.

keep it real

my view of Roy is that he was put in as a firefighter manager, the board knew we were going to find it hard this year as there was not much money or skill in the club and they feel Roy was the guy at the time that could work with that.

we dont know what targets he was been set but i would say it would be 5th place and do the best you can in the cup games that matter, in that case he is on target to meet them.

i dont think he will be here for the long run unless he pulls it out the bag and we end up 3rd or a cupor the club feel that he has shown that he has it him him to lead the club to win the prem next year.

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:12 am

One has to wonder why some really good players were let go during the summer. We can't complain about having a small squad when we:

A) Sent 2 good players on loan. (especially Aqua).
B) Sold some other good players like Riera and Yossi.

Im sorry but the small squad arguement, although valid, is our own fault.

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