Liverpool FC Forum

by **In and Out** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:47 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
In and Out wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
In and Out wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years ? If you make a mistake then people are entitled to pull that person up . Its not like our manager is new to management - people have said he is vastly experienced in management - 30 years i think it is so to make two fundamental errors in a week is poor IMO .

You've made way to many errors since joing here GBYS. Your posts underpin the notion of insult towards our manager.

Your not getting the stick you deserve from people just for the sake of it, you're on a wind up and most have got you numbered.

Im sorry but where have i insulted the manager ?

You are just trying to be clever, your posts are about scoring points in silly one sentences. Try and be as subtle as you like to worm out of the fact you can't stand our manager.

You said i have the notion of insulting the manager - please back that up and state where i have insulted the manager .

All i have done is highlight a few things where i believe Hodgson has made an error . Is that insulting the manager

Your posts are UNDERPINNED by the fact you don't like him, you may as well insult him. It's no different in my book. pr@t.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:47 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years ? If you make a mistake then people are entitled to pull that person up . Its not like our manager is new to management - people have said he is vastly experienced in management - 30 years i think it is so to make two fundamental errors in a week is poor IMO .

Whether it is intended or not you did not practice (last season) what you have just preached in this post with regards to this season. And that's the bias i'm talking about. Your approach/opinion to errors made last season (for the most part as I recall) were a little more forgiving.

You cant deny this post is true Benny.

You are entitled to your opinion but Scott is right about the bias or lack of forgiving mistakes etc with the new manager compared with the last.

Like i have said please go through my posts on previous manager and show me where i have let the previous manager get away with stuff where i thought he has messed up .

Just to let the record show that i wasnt the one bringing up previous manager once again and am just concentrentraing on our current manager .

Is it going to be like this all season when someone pulls the manager up in an area they believe he has made a mistake ? Is someone going to constantly go back to the previous manager ?

I supported our previous manager and i support our current manager .

by **In and Out** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:49 am

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:its all consequences of his own actions. Same with sending Aquilani on loan leaving us short as well .

Another example here I think. You've been quite frank with your assessment of letting Aquilani go in this post, you've made it quite clear you think it is a mistake and that it will cost us.

On the flip side I do not believe you were anywhere near as frank or critical of the decision to sign the lad in the first place. A decision which (if we're really honest here) was a massive factor in our derailment last season.

Compare the two, buying him in the first place or letting him go now on loan. I know it's hypothetical but I think most would agree that of the two scenarios, buying him in the first place was the biggest (or will prove to be) mistake. And it should be treated as so.

Don't even bother with him, don't try and discuss things with him. He just shoots back with 'clever' one liners making out he has an answer for everything. He doesn't want to discuss he wants to score points and 'try' and be clever.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:49 am

I am in work so wont be trying to dredge up old posts.
But its clear to me and most that you were far more understanding of any mistake Rafa made.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:49 am

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:its all consequences of his own actions. Same with sending Aquilani on loan leaving us short as well .

Another example here I think. You've been quite frank with your assessment of letting Aquilani go in this post, you've made it quite clear you think it is a mistake and that it will cost us.

On the flip side I do not believe you were anywhere near as frank or critical of the decision to sign the lad in the first place. A decision which (if we're really honest here) was a massive factor in our derailment last season.

Compare the two, buying him in the first place or letting him go now on loan. I know it's hypothetical but I think most would agree that of the two scenarios, buying him in the first place was the biggest (or will prove to be) mistake. And it should be treated as so.

Look back scott and you will see i thought the buying of Aquilani was a mistake - same with the not playing him enough as well .

But letting him go and leaving us short is a mistkae - two wrongs dont make a right .

He showed towards the end of last season he could do a job for us and on monday he could of slotted in alongside lucas and gerrard and given us more numbers in there .

by **In and Out** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:50 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
In and Out wrote:
Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years

DO YOU REALLY NEED IT SPELLING OUT FOR YOU?

He isnt new to management - this isnt his first job - he is supposed to be vastly experience in management and know the prem yet made a massive error on monday .

HE"S NEW TO THIS FU>CKING JOB YOU GIMP!

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:52 am

So is it going to be like this any time anyone pulls up Hodgson on something ?

I have said he has made a mistake in playing 4-4-2 and a mistake in playing agger against medical advice

Have i asked for him to be sacked - NO

Am i saying he should go and starting with the old "Roy Out " - NO

Have i compared him to previous manager - NO

Have i just stated he made a mistake with the formation and agger - do you agree or disagree ?

HAve i stated i will support manager - YES

by **Scottbot** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:53 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years ? If you make a mistake then people are entitled to pull that person up . Its not like our manager is new to management - people have said he is vastly experienced in management - 30 years i think it is so to make two fundamental errors in a week is poor IMO .

Whether it is intended or not you did not practice (last season) what you have just preached in this post with regards to this season. And that's the bias i'm talking about. Your approach/opinion to errors made last season (for the most part as I recall) were a little more forgiving.

Im sure you will find i also pointed out errors our previous manager did as well .

Yes on occasions you did but whether you realise it or not your TONE was very different. It was more a case of you conceding a mistake had been made rather than being the first to flag it up. There is a sense that you are specifically holding Hodgson to task so far, there is a sense that the tweo managers aren't getting the same fair crack of the whip from some posters. And that (I think) it was gets others hot under the collar. I really don't know if you can see it yourself and that's why I call it bias

by **In and Out** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:53 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:its all consequences of his own actions. Same with sending Aquilani on loan leaving us short as well .

Another example here I think. You've been quite frank with your assessment of letting Aquilani go in this post, you've made it quite clear you think it is a mistake and that it will cost us.

On the flip side I do not believe you were anywhere near as frank or critical of the decision to sign the lad in the first place. A decision which (if we're really honest here) was a massive factor in our derailment last season.

Compare the two, buying him in the first place or letting him go now on loan. I know it's hypothetical but I think most would agree that of the two scenarios, buying him in the first place was the biggest (or will prove to be) mistake. And it should be treated as so.

Look back scott and you will see i thought the buying of Aquilani was a mistake - same with the not playing him enough as well .

But letting him go and leaving us short is a mistkae - two wrongs dont make a right .

He showed towards the end of last season he could do a job for us and on monday he could of slotted in alongside lucas and gerrard and given us more numbers in there .

Infact you implied in the other thread it was even more a mistake loaning him out than Rafa buying him. :no

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:55 am

In and Out wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
In and Out wrote:
Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years

DO YOU REALLY NEED IT SPELLING OUT FOR YOU?

He isnt new to management - this isnt his first job - he is supposed to be vastly experience in management and know the prem yet made a massive error on monday .

HE"S NEW TO THIS FU>CKING JOB YOU GIMP!

So basic football management is different at Liverpool is it

Its basics that you dont play a player in a crucial position when medical advice suggests he isnt ready - then watch said player get torn apart

Its basics that you dont go in against a top team away from home who play 3 in the middle with just two players - then watch those two player get swamped by the three .

FFS its basics - he has been managing for 30 f.ucking years now not 30 mins .

by **matt_liverpool** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:55 am

Benny The Noon wrote:HAve i stated i will support manager - YES

What is the definition of 'Support the manager' in your book Benny ?

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:59 am

matt_liverpool wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:HAve i stated i will support manager - YES

What is the definition of 'Support the manager' in your book Benny ?

Im supporting the manager in the same way i do the players the same way i did the previous manager - there is no defination - i support them - they have my support .

I can guarentee you now i will still be supporting him when people start with the "Hodgson Out " and i will still support him until the day he leaves because thats the way i grew up supporting the club .

by **In and Out** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:00 pm

matt_liverpool wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:HAve i stated i will support manager - YES

What is the definition of 'Support the manager' in your book Benny ?

Slating the manager even before a ball had been kicked. :nod

He's still in mourning like many others, he's their speaker and on match day when we lose all the people he is trying to impress come out of the wood work saying 'I told you so' reveling in their own s.*i*e, this boosts his confidence to carry on the martyr act until next match day.

by **tubby** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:01 pm

In and Out wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
In and Out wrote:
Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years

DO YOU REALLY NEED IT SPELLING OUT FOR YOU?

He isnt new to management - this isnt his first job - he is supposed to be vastly experience in management and know the prem yet made a massive error on monday .

HE"S NEW TO THIS FU>CKING JOB YOU GIMP!

Why don't you say what you really mean. You seem on the fence. :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:03 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why does it matter if you been at the club 5 mins or 50 years ? If you make a mistake then people are entitled to pull that person up . Its not like our manager is new to management - people have said he is vastly experienced in management - 30 years i think it is so to make two fundamental errors in a week is poor IMO .

Whether it is intended or not you did not practice (last season) what you have just preached in this post with regards to this season. And that's the bias i'm talking about. Your approach/opinion to errors made last season (for the most part as I recall) were a little more forgiving.

Im sure you will find i also pointed out errors our previous manager did as well .

Yes on occasions you did but whether you realise it or not your TONE was very different. It was more a case of you conceding a mistake had been made. There is a sense that you are specifically holding Hodgson to task so far, there is a sense that the tweo managers aren't getting the same fair crack of the whip from some posters. And that (I think) it was gets others hot under the collar. I really don't know if you can see it yourself and that's why I call it bias

At this moment in time scott i see us in a very dangerous position and im not happy about that and in fact im pretty angry annoyed about the whole situation - is that down to hodgson now - i know its not his fault . But we have come to a situation where we are right on the edge of dropping further behind other teams - its at the situation where we have to now rely on everyone to be fit and to do the basics right and to get pretty much every choice right - so when mistakes happen they are going to multiply. Im worried about the upcoming season and what will happen . We have a thin squad , no options , reliant on three players who have shown over the last couple of seasons to suffer from injuries and its hard to find positives to grab hold off - so i will have to apologise if my tine doesnt suit people at the moment but i wont apologise for being worried about a club i have supported for over 30 years now .

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