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by **dundreamin** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:07 pm

Everything mr Hodgson has done and said so far had been positive. No bu.llshit about kwality possibilitys etc etc this man knows the Liverpool way.

by **Fauxy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:07 pm

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:17 pm

fivecups wrote:We could do a poll: Did Mick abuse Rafa?

I have my opinion but I'm not getting involved!

Rather than do a poll, why not just find one post where I've abused him? My problems with the previous manager were numerous, and they were based on football observations. They still are.

People like Reg accused anyone who disagreed with some of the managers decisions of "hating" him. It makes it easier to argue against. Rather than trying to explain in football terms why the Lucas/Masherano axis is a good idea, they just slur the person who brought it up. Rather than debate whether it is sensible to claim a chief exucutive has bought a 20 million quid footballer that the manager didn't want, they just say anybody who doesn't buy into it "hates" the manager.

Like I say there is no poll required, nor is it a matter of opinion. I was highly critical of the previous manager, but I didn't abuse him. It says much about the love that certain people had for him above all else that they still can't let it go to this day. Sad really. The sooner the season starts in Italy so they can obsess about how he is getting on the better. Meanwhile, they wait with baited breath to see how we get on, the "I told you so" posts already written and saved just in case.

by **fivecups** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:37 pm

bigmick wrote:If for instance he chops and changes the team every week, doesn't allow them to get any rhythm or cohesion and shows that he isn't really getting what's required in the league he's operating in, it's a real worry. If on the other hand events conspire against him but he recognises nice and early that certain formations aren't working, certain partnerships not functioning, and he remains upbeat and looks like a leader who can lead and inspire, then there is hope.

I not sure your being entirely fair though Mick. Some of pro-Roy posts sound a bit like your still having digs at Rafa - like this one, that seemed to irritate Sabre and possibly Reg. I'm not sure it's reasonable to say that and not expect other people to bring him up as well.

Like I say though I'm not getting involved

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:45 pm

As much as you deny it Mick - a fair number of you posts backing Hodgson are filled with thinly vieled digs at the previous management and what he did

by **andy_g** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:07 pm

if i may contribute my own two penneth here...

i would say that the majority of mick's posts have barely veiled criticisms of the manager rather than digs. he's always been very clear about what he didn't like about rafa's ways so i guess he has no need to be candid about it. even as one of the most vociferous 'antis' (in the football sense and not the personal sense) i have never seen mick level any kind of personal abuse at the 'previous manager'.

i still don't understand why it is that out of a multitude of knobends that frequent this forum from time to time, so many people instead choose to single out mick for practising their keyboard gangster routines..

by **Fauxy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:13 pm

bunch of drama queens on this forum seriously :laugh:

by **aCe'** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:13 pm

andy_g wrote:if i may contribute my own two penneth here...

i would say that the majority of mick's posts have barely veiled criticisms of the manager rather than digs. he's always been very clear about what he didn't like about rafa's ways so i guess he has no need to be candid about it. even as one of the most vociferous 'antis' (in the football sense and not the personal sense) i have never seen mick level any kind of personal abuse at the 'previous manager'.

i still don't understand why it is that out of a multitude of knobends that frequent this forum from time to time, so many people instead choose to single out mick for practising their keyboard gangster routines..

True True...

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:As much as you deny it Mick - a fair number of you posts backing Hodgson are filled with thinly vieled digs at the previous management and what he did

So what?
I adored Rafa. But I also loathed him as well.
He gave me so much joy. But he disappointed me to fu'ck as well.
Rafa gave us Istanbul but too many low points to mention. People keep going on about "one bad season and he was sacked".
How about one superb season 2004/5, one good season 2005/6, one fu'cked up season 2006/7, one bad season 2007/8, one nearly good season 2008/9 and one terrible season 2009/10?
I will not, and would not rave about Roy Hodson because he hasnt accomplished anything yet. What I will say is that he is a breath of fresh air compared to the negative, frustrating, hopeless, constricted, disjointed and frankly disturbing methods that Rafa ended up using. I am glad hes gone, not because I hated him, but because I believe he could not take us any further.
Gracias and adios hombre...

by **boodiddy1** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:18 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:As much as you deny it Mick - a fair number of you posts backing Hodgson are filled with thinly vieled digs at the previous management and what he did

So what! Benny there are numerous posters on here that use Roys appiontment and do the opposite.

He is entitled to his opinion like you are. Yet, Mick getting so much stick off so many on here is not right. A few posters on here, can discuss well. You can, reg, nanny, ciggy, sabre etc. But there are so many so called fans on here, who are like the kids in the Pied Piper.

They cany think for themselves and follow the masses. It amazes me how so many so called know-it-alls are now saying roy is/could be a good thing for this club.

Well, if they already knew-it-all, then they shouldn't be swaying. But they do. I wanted Roy from day one. Judged on my opinion.

Too many just dont know, but jump right on the bandwagon.

As you know, Rafa is history. Lets forget about him. Maybe, some people will change their attitude when he starts with his bidding for masch at 25m. Dont know yet.

But, one things for sure. Roy is our manager and his doing his very best to put the wrongs of the last few years right. All Liverpool fans need to back him.

The Pro-Anti stuff has to stop.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:19 pm

Sorry when I meant digs I didn't mean insults or abuse I meant criticism and its quite amusing when he himself stated a while back he will refuse to get into any discussions regarding previous manager or post about him . And the issue myself and it seems others have is the way Mick seems to be preaching when he posts and posting in an arrogant way that suggests his word is gospel and if you disagree then prepare to be labelled and derided and put into a little group that he will give a pet name too . Shame really because beyond that he makes a lot of sense and some cracking football based posts and thought provoking with solid theories but they get lost in all the self importance . Just my opinion .

by **boodiddy1** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:26 pm

Benny cmon, you might an issue, but you can elaborate. So many others have a go at Mick because his posts are telegraph like. Rather than Daily star like. The majority of posters on here, dont like his long winded (no offence Mick) posts. For me, he's right in his assumptions on rafa. Right or wrong?

Thats why its a discussion forum.

We are all guilty of labelling certain types of people. That's normal. Thats were the Anti's and Pro's comes from. So, in that respect he's no guilty than anyone else.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:28 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:Benny cmon, you might an issue, but you can elaborate. So many others have a go at Mick because his posts are telegraph like. Rather than Daily star like. The majority of posters on here, dont like his long winded (no offence Mick) posts. For me, he's right in his assumptions on rafa. Right or wrong?

Thats why its a discussion forum.

The reason his posts are that long is because by the time he gets to the end hes forgot what he was talking about

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:50 pm

Some truisms which I think pretty much everyone would agree with if they're honest:

1. I had completely lost any faith in the previous manager and was hyper critical of him. It almost got to the point where if he bought a player I expected them to fail, such was my lack of faith in him.

2. Some of my posts on the current manager contain references to mistakes I think the previous manager made (such things as over rotation, over analysis, being too defensive, sticking with the Lucas/Masherano axis etc). I put them in because I hope he doesn't make the same mistakes (in my opinion obviously). If he does go in for uber rotation for example, I will be just as critical of him as I was of Rafa because I think it is a flawed policy. Ditto the Lucas/Masherano axis etc etc. People who have abused me for years and continue to do so, see these as "sly digs". They may even have a point.

3. I have been very keen to stress that even as a "pro" as far as Roy Hodgson is concerned, I will never behave in the same way as some of the "pro" Rafa people did. Namely I won't abuse people who don't believe in him as much as I do, I won't blame every single mishap on "the owners innit", and I won't deny the blindingly obvious just to avoid the scenario of me admitting I might have called something wrong. Some of the defence of some of the mistakes which were made under the previous manager was frankly ridiculous and stifled sensible football talk on the forum (Rafa didn't buy Keane Parry did etc etc).

4. A lot of my posts are too long.

5. I do talk utter b0ll0cks sometimes.

6. I never abused Rafa. I never called him a c..., a fat spanish waiter, I never talked of him being a sh!t manager, never took the mickey out of the way he spoke or any of that stuff. Never, ever.

There you go, there's six things there which I defy anyone to disagree with. Back onto Roy Hodgson, he's far more interesting than me.

by **Rush Job** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:57 pm

Well unlike some posters roy was always on my list, really looking forward to the start of the season even with the troubles still hanging over us.

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