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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:09 pm

And as for our previous manager he won two titles in one of the best leagues in the world with an unfancied team as well as winning a European trophy ( not just getting to a final ) so ton compare the two records before they arrived at Liverpool - one persons success stands above the others

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Titles in Sweden mean nothing in the wider world - as for saving fulham from relegation you do realise in the second half of the season when he was in charge they actually got less points than they did under Sanchez .

Titles in Sweden do mean something. They get you into the Champions League for one thing, and Hodgsons record in that competition was pretty good considering. Equally, you can only win the league you are playing in.

Yes I do realise the points thing, as you've mentioned it on here a few times. It's actually not that surprising though when you take the trouble to think about it.

Fulham that season started reasonably well (hence the points) but then went into an absolute tailspin (hence Hodgson getting the job/Sanchez getting the sack). The reason for this, was that they had rubbish players and under Sanchez were trying to play an outdated, high energy route one style.

Hodgson came in and introduced his favourite zonal marking system, and also got them playing a more modern style. He didn't have any money to spend, and the tailspin took a significant time to arrest. So much so that Fulham needed to win their last three games in order to stay up, which they did. The following season they finished 7th in the league.

Roy is a good manager, a football man who knows his stuff. I think he'll do a really good job, but others obviously don't which is fine. Pretty soon we'll find out one or another, but like I say if he can't improve on 7th then we have got a problem. I think he can.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:18 pm

I'm not really interested in discussing the previous manager too much to be honest, so I won't get into that discussion ta Benny.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:19 pm

Why isn't everyone rallying around our new manager. Give him 3 years to clean up the mess and then judge him.

Until then - let's back him all the way.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:23 pm

I must admit I agree with Niall on this one, but like I say people are entitled to their own opinion. I don't really think whether any people on here "back" the manager, rate him, slag him or whatever else they do is going to make any difference to him to be honest. Just so long as the fans in the ground back the manager and the team, that's the main thing and I'm sure it'll happen.

by **Fauxy** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:26 pm

Just thinking, does anyone know how good Roy is in the transfer market? Its never really crossed my mind.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:27 pm

bigmick wrote:I must admit I agree with Niall on this one, but like I say people are entitled to their own opinion. I don't really think whether any people on here "back" the manager, rate him, slag him or whatever else they do is going to make any difference to him to be honest. Just so long as the fans in the ground back the manager and the team, that's the main thing and I'm sure it'll happen.

If football forums start doubting him early (even immediately), the media will jump on that quickly and put pressure on him if things are going badly.

He needst time to sort out the mess he inheritied.

Let's give him total support.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:31 pm

We should be benchmarking according to resources, not according to the failings of the previous manager. The current crop of players is virtually identical to what Rafa had to work with last season, so as of now expectations shouldn't be too dissimilar to what they were then. For me that means making the top four and doing well in the cups.

Incidentally, on the point about Hodgson's first season at Fulham, I seem to have a much more favourable recollection of the job he did for them than Benny and others have suggested. A quick check dispells the myth: He took over while they were in the relegation places and by the end of the season they were safe. Hodgson had a better points average over that period, too.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:44 pm

People will support the new manager Niall but people are also not happy with the appointment as they believe it is a step down and he will get three years if he improves as the years go by and wins trophies or gets us back into the CL - if there is no improvement then people will ask why he was brought in and will point to his previous track record .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:46 pm

bigmick wrote:I'm not really interested in discussing the previous manager too much to be honest, so I won't get into that discussion ta Benny.

I do beleive you brought him up and his cv before joining liverpool and i think i rightly pointed out which one actually won trophies of note .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:46 pm

Big Niall wrote:
bigmick wrote:I must admit I agree with Niall on this one, but like I say people are entitled to their own opinion. I don't really think whether any people on here "back" the manager, rate him, slag him or whatever else they do is going to make any difference to him to be honest. Just so long as the fans in the ground back the manager and the team, that's the main thing and I'm sure it'll happen.

If football forums start doubting him early (even immediately), the media will jump on that quickly and put pressure on him if things are going badly.

He needst time to sort out the mess he inheritied.

Let's give him total support.

The pressure is there before anyone has uttered a word .

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:54 pm

bigmick wrote:Titles in Sweden do mean something. They get you into the Champions League for one thing, and Hodgsons record in that competition was pretty good considering.

Hang on a minute so winning titles in Sweden means something... well how about winning titles in Spain. Does that count too?

And yes the Champions league, Roy's record in that was pretty good. Although surely winning it is better? And for the cherry on top how good was our European coefficient?

Scraping the barrel here Mick. Ill support the manager but im not going to sit here and day dream myself into the mindset that he has a good record and can actually take us somewhere. If he does ill happily hold my hand up but I could have probably thought of 10 managers to pick ahead of this one in terms of merit. He was picked because he doesn't mind spending next to nothing.

by **shabelle50** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:37 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
shabelle50 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

Whatever Rafa won counted for nothing in the end. He well and truly f'ucked us up and has done very nicely for himself. He never got to grips with the PL and won f'uck all in four years. His time was up. He knew it and some of us knew it.
No matter what Hodgson has or hasnt acheived I would rather have him than someone who had us playing the sh'ite football we did last season.

You're spot on Thommo'sPerm. The article appears to be suggesting that Benitez was controversial and regularly spoke up against H&G. The reality is the opposite. He allowed them to walk all over him when they wouldn't let him sign Barry and Keane. He allowed them to walk all over him before that when they approached Klinsmann and the night the team beat Luton in an FA Cup replay on the day it came out he refused to talk about it on the BEEB. He allowed them to walk all over him when it came to having the funds he was promised last summer.

I'd say Benitez was more than pretty reasonable with H&G over many many months if the truth be known. This notion of appeasment that has just come in because of the appointment of Hodgson is about as misguided as you can get. I remember in about April 2009 a report linking Liverpool with David Silva which was swiftly discounted by Benitez "we won't be signing him" he said.

The man was happy to have little spending power and went along with it. Once the team's fortunes began to nosedive in 2008-2009 as a result of how he was being marginalised he knew he had to go. To believe that Hodgson will stick around a long time if he doesn't get the money he needs is baloney.

Well you pair are full of sh*t, I see...

Do everyone a favour and knock your heads together to save your pimp the bother.

Liverpool 442 could teach you both something.

Yeh right I made it up about Benitez saying about Silva "we won't be signing him".

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:43 pm

Bav you don't know why he was picked any more than I do. This idea that he is some kind of chairmans stooge is accepted as some kind of given, when in actual fact there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate it.

As for the titles in Spain, of course they count for something. I didn't say they didn't, I was merely answering another poster who said titles in Sweden meant nothing. Once again though I have to say (I've only been back a day and I must have said this ten times already) that I'm not really interested in discussing former managers and their record at previous clubs.

I don't agree with you that Roy Hodgson is "scraping the barrel", and whereas you and others seem determined to wallow in a pit of depression, I think Hodgson will improve us from where we were when he took over. You may think that is "daydreaming", but I think that, and also that Roy can "take us somewhere".

All in all though it's all opinions and we'll soon see who's calling it right. Having been accused myself of hoping the team will lose on many occasions I'm not going to do that to anyone else. Suffice to say though I do find some posts on here very strange indeed. If we are the best fans in the World, I wouldn't like to see the worst.

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:52 pm

Ok ill lay of the Rafa references but in response to your first part no there isn't any evidence to suggest he is a yes man although given how it was public knowledge how Rafa had been mucked about I would have been surprised had we been able to snag an established continental manager. Also there is of course the financial situation which would have also played a part any attracting a new manager. You look at the budget Hodgsen has been put on and you can put 2 and 2 together.

Broughton the :censored:

had the cheek to say he was happy that Roy had not asked how much he has to spend but wanted to work with the players he has (I bet he was over the moon with that one) and he couldn't even guarantee we wouldn't sell Torres or Gerrard.

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