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Postby Ciggy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:34 pm

bigmick wrote:I'll do what I've always done with Liverpool managers, support them until they've categorically proven they aren't taking the club forward having been given a good go. I think Roy is a good appointment who will do a good job, and as such I think he deserves A MINIMUM of three seasons to see what he's all about. That doesn't mean of course that you'd agree with every selection or every purchase (and of course you can say so on a forum), but it does mean that any sensible supporter should be prepared to give him a fair crack of the whip. Not all will (as some have incredibly shown already), but most who have a resemblance of a clue will.

Two of the main things which frustrated me with fans previously were the fact that if you criticised a substitution it meant you weren't a "real fan", and secondly peolpe were extremely reluctant to talk about a minimum standard of achievement (just as well as it turned out but I digress) for the manager. I won't be doing either of those things with the new manager. People can criticise before he's even had a game in charge, they can wrist slash, head bash and teeth gnash, they can doom and gloom till their hearts content, and it's all good. Roy doesn't read newkit I'm sure of it, and just as I said it was OK to criticise the previous manager on here (not abuse though obviously, I never did that) it's ok for those that see fit to criticise Roy. I'm not going to berate people for taking the p!ss out of the way the man talks, for showing absolutely no respect whatsoever even though he's our manager, that's for the other people to reconcile with themselves. Equally, the irony of their stance in comparison to previous managers is for them to come to terms with, and I'll not be getting embroiled in discussions on the subject.

On the question of "minimum standard", well I agree with the majority. There's little point in sacking a manager to replace him with someone who doesn't do the job any better. To that end, if Roy (or Woy for those who choose to disrepect him) can't get us to finish higher than seventh THIS SEASON and can't get us to see of the likes of Reading at Home in the Cup, AND can't get us to play better football than the dross we served up last season, then he will rightly come under pressure. That is my minimum standard. I'll even go further and answer some of the inevitable questions which will no doubt come in (mixed in of course with the inevitable insults), this applies EVEN IF WE SELL GERRARD AND MASHERANO.

If we can't finish higher than seventh, Roy will come under pressure. Not from me obviously, because I think he should be given a minimum of three seasons, but from some of our less patient fans. Some are on his case before he's even had a game, so it's inevitable that that particular faction will grow if the team doesn't improve.

You thought Mourhino was coming once Rafa was sacked, how do you feel now we have Roy?
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:38 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.

not entirely true. 
You can win the Champions league in your first year, FA Cup in your second and Champions league runner up in your third and then have a bad season and people will call you s.hit.

Whether we like it or not, football these days is based on the last season.  have a bad season = getting sacked.  make some progress and you'll get more time.

in the modern game.. sometimes i wonder whether winning the Carling Cup would be better than finishing 2nd in the PL or CL.

I really hope people can stop this spin about accusing people of saying Rafa had "one bad season and he was sh'it" malarky.
His record is there for everyone to see:
2005 CL, 2006 FA cup, 2007- lost in final CL.
2008, 2009, 2010- zilch and went backwards.
Love him or hate him, Rafa had his chance and blew it.
Good luck with your future Rafa. Thanks and goodbye
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:39 pm

No John, if we're 15th by Christmas it doesn't mean, and nor should it, that hes out. There's precedents for that scenario anyway, previous managers have had us absolutely cut adrift in their first season after a dozen games. They've finished behind Everton, been knocked out of the FA Cup by Burnley etc etc, and nobody said they should be sacked.

I think anyone who watched us play last season, and anyone who has taken any notice of our boardroom shenanighans will know that Roy has a huge job on his hands. Not only does he have lots of deadwood, but he has a completely unbalanced squad as well. We have one recognised left back, one striker of note, seventeen goalkeepers and 37 kids who's name ends in a vowel but otherwise bare no resemblance to Messi or Ronaldo.

Roy's got a huge job on his hands, and needs time to operate. That said, if he can't do better than last season then we've got a worry.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:43 pm

bigmick wrote:No John, if we're 15th by Christmas it doesn't mean, and nor should it, that hes out. There's precedents for that scenario anyway, previous managers have had us absolutely cut adrift in their first season after a dozen games. They've finished behind Everton, been knocked out of the FA Cup by Burnley etc etc, and nobody said they should be sacked.

I think anyone who watched us play last season, and anyone who has taken any notice of our boardroom shenanighans will know that Roy has a huge job on his hands. Not only does he have lots of deadwood, but he has a completely unbalanced squad as well. We have one recognised left back, one striker of note, seventeen goalkeepers and 37 kids who's name ends in a vowel but otherwise bare no resemblance to Messi or Ronaldo.

Roy's got a huge job on his hands, and needs time to operate. That said, if he can't do better than last season then we've got a worry.

The reason no one said he should be sacked because we had progression and then a win in the biggest competition in club football
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:43 pm

Fauxy wrote:He will probs be retired in 3 years  :laugh:

He will either be dead by chrimbo with the pressure or retire to the Costa's open a bar in Benidorm called the Craven Arms serving a full english breakfast all day for 2.50 with a pint thrown in.
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:44 pm

On the question of Mourinho (and it really doesn't belong in this thread but I'll answer the question), pointing out that he was and is the best manager in the World today isn't the same as thinking he would become our next manager. Hoping he would, isn't the same as thinking he would.

On the question of Roy, I'm extremely happy we've got him. I think he'll do an excellent job.
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Postby JC_81 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:44 pm

bigmick wrote:No John, if we're 15th by Christmas it doesn't mean, and nor should it, that hes out. There's precedents for that scenario anyway, previous managers have had us absolutely cut adrift in their first season after a dozen games. They've finished behind Everton, been knocked out of the FA Cup by Burnley etc etc, and nobody said they should be sacked.

I think anyone who watched us play last season, and anyone who has taken any notice of our boardroom shenanighans will know that Roy has a huge job on his hands. Not only does he have lots of deadwood, but he has a completely unbalanced squad as well. We have one recognised left back, one striker of note, seventeen goalkeepers and 37 kids who's name ends in a vowel but otherwise bare no resemblance to Messi or Ronaldo.

Roy's got a huge job on his hands, and needs time to operate. That said, if he can't do better than last season then we've got a worry.

The balance of the squad is going to be his biggest problem.  We have no choice but to put faith in a few of the youngsters in the reserves to plug some of the gaps.

I do think however that if we were a team that constantly carried a genuine goal threat (which we don't without Torres) then some of our other deficiencies wouldn't seem as glaring.  That's why I still think striker has to be priority.  But I agree that centre half... along with right back, left back, both wide positions and central midfield... is a problem!
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Postby stmichael » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:46 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:2008, 2009, 2010- zilch and went backwards.

you think finishing 2nd with 86 points in 2008/9 whilst only losing two games in the process, was "going backwards".

ok 2009/10 i'll give you but don't spout nonsense.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:47 pm

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bigmick wrote:No John, if we're 15th by Christmas it doesn't mean, and nor should it, that hes out. There's precedents for that scenario anyway, previous managers have had us absolutely cut adrift in their first season after a dozen games. They've finished behind Everton, been knocked out of the FA Cup by Burnley etc etc, and nobody said they should be sacked.

I think anyone who watched us play last season, and anyone who has taken any notice of our boardroom shenanighans will know that Roy has a huge job on his hands. Not only does he have lots of deadwood, but he has a completely unbalanced squad as well. We have one recognised left back, one striker of note, seventeen goalkeepers and 37 kids who's name ends in a vowel but otherwise bare no resemblance to Messi or Ronaldo.

Roy's got a huge job on his hands, and needs time to operate. That said, if he can't do better than last season then we've got a worry.

The balance of the squad is going to be his biggest problem.  We have no choice but to put faith in a few of the youngsters in the reserves to plug some of the gaps.

I do think however that if we were a team that constantly carried a genuine goal threat (which we don't without Torres) then some of our other deficiencies wouldn't seem as glaring.  That's why I still think striker has to be priority.  But I agree that centre half... along with right back, left back, both wide positions and central midfield... is a problem!

We have got 3 strikers
Torres, Babel and Kuyt...
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:54 pm

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jacdaniel wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.

not entirely true. 
You can win the Champions league in your first year, FA Cup in your second and Champions league runner up in your third and then have a bad season and people will call you s.hit.

Whether we like it or not, football these days is based on the last season.  have a bad season = getting sacked.  make some progress and you'll get more time.

in the modern game.. sometimes i wonder whether winning the Carling Cup would be better than finishing 2nd in the PL or CL.

I really hope people can stop this spin about accusing people of saying Rafa had "one bad season and he was sh'it" malarky.
His record is there for everyone to see:
2005 CL, 2006 FA cup, 2007- lost in final CL.
2008, 2009, 2010- zilch and went backwards.
Love him or hate him, Rafa had his chance and blew it.
Good luck with your future Rafa. Thanks and goodbye

So Champions league semi finals and quarter finals are zilch?  Finishing 2nd in the PL with our highest ever points total was zilch?

Ask yourself this.. would it have all been better if we'd gotten knocked out of the CL each season but won the Carling cup? 

I hope Roy doesn't finish 2nd in the PL four years in a row cos that wouldnt be good enough would it?
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Postby JC_81 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:57 pm

We have got 3 strikers
Torres, Babel and Kuyt...[/quote]
We had all three of those 'strikers' last season and yet without Torres were abysmal at putting the ball in the net.  So your point is?
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:01 pm

Mick when people were worried that if Rafa did leave they were stating that the top managers wouldn't come to us and you stated that the top managers would be queuing up for the job because he was so illustrious and because it's one of he biggest jobs around because we are Liverpool Football Club - so the question is where were they when the job became available ?
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:05 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Mick when people were worried that if Rafa did leave they were stating that the top managers wouldn't come to us and you stated that the top managers would be queuing up for the job because he was so illustrious and because it's one of he biggest jobs around because we are Liverpool Football Club - so the question is where were they when the job became available ?

Purslow probably interviewed them but they weren't successful when they inquired about the transfer budget.  :D
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Postby laza » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:11 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Mick when people were worried that if Rafa did leave they were stating that the top managers wouldn't come to us and you stated that the top managers would be queuing up for the job because he was so illustrious and because it's one of he biggest jobs around because we are Liverpool Football Club - so the question is where were they when the job became available ?

Well they probably interested when we had this great squad which only a negative wrist slasher didnt think was good enough to challenge for the title last season .

However by the time they put their resume in, the squad had become full of deadwood and wasnt up too much so they scarpered   :suspect:
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:18 pm

All the buzz words are coming back to the front i see - wrist slashers etc - you can tell Mick is back
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