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by **Joeblackisachimp** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:56 pm

I'm a little worried to be honest about the calibre of our new manager.

Roy Hogdson has never won a top flight league title, in Italy, spain, England or anywhere else! At 62 and 30+ years as manager experience, I cannot understand why he would start doing it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Current LFC chairman and lifelong chelsea fan, said that Dalglish put his name into the hat and the chairman told him, "you are not a candidate".!!! ...would have been a big confidence restorer I feel in the short term st least. ! That raises alrm bells that the club is now in the hands of muppets. But Roy Hodgson is!!??.......has never won ,Nothing ever! hpw is tht gonna get the players motivating our players pre-season.

The board have just panicked and rolled the dice on this one! just to get someone in asap to avoid messing up the pre-season it seems!.

At least Rafa won 2 spanish titles which was on his CV when applying for Anfield Job.

I should have applied myself lol lol!

I wish Mr. David Moores was still in charge.

Club is going to Ruin.!

:eyebrow

by **Liverpool442** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:54 pm

I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:32 am

Liverpool442 wrote:I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

BUT HE HAS NEVER HAD A TEAM LIKE LIVERPOOL! WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH OUR TEAM HE MAY WELL JUST BE WHAT WE NEED. IF U DONT LIKE IT...

...FUK OFF.

by **loopyliverpool** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:43 am

Lee J wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

BUT HE HAS NEVER HAD A TEAM LIKE LIVERPOOL! WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH OUR TEAM HE MAY WELL JUST BE WHAT WE NEED. IF U DONT LIKE IT...

...FUK OFF.

Hasn't Steve McLaren just won the Dutch League?

by **Scottbot** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:09 am

loopyliverpool wrote:
Lee J wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

BUT HE HAS NEVER HAD A TEAM LIKE LIVERPOOL! WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH OUR TEAM HE MAY WELL JUST BE WHAT WE NEED. IF U DONT LIKE IT...

...FUK OFF.

Hasn't Steve McLaren just won the Dutch League?

And wasn't Steve Mclaren's only honour before winning that title a UEFA Cup runners-up medal?

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:31 am

Scottbot wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
Lee J wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I am simply amazed that we have removed a manager who has won a European Cup, Uefa Cup and La liga titles and been immediatly snapped up by the current European Champions to replace him with a manager who in 30years of trying has won nothing worth a wa%k. And before people start spouting all the stats:
1) He was sacked by BLACKBURN !!!
2) He finished 12th last year behind Stoke and Blackburn.
3) He has no major honours to his name
4) He took Inter Milan out of Europe
5) He has won 4 away fixture in the last two season
His only real impressive stats are a 7th place finish with Fulham and a runners up spot in the Eufa. (Thats like saying Steve McLaren has an impressive record.
I really hope Im wrong and I will go to the games and support him and Liverpool with all my heart but I honestly think this is the beginning of mid table finishes for Liverpool for a good few years to come.

BUT HE HAS NEVER HAD A TEAM LIKE LIVERPOOL! WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH OUR TEAM HE MAY WELL JUST BE WHAT WE NEED. IF U DONT LIKE IT...

...FUK OFF.

Hasn't Steve McLaren just won the Dutch League?

And wasn't Steve Mclaren's only honour before winning that title a UEFA Cup runners-up medal?

He also won the Carling Cup - so he is actually more successful than Hodgson

by **dawson99** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:21 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:Hasn't Steve McLaren just won the Dutch League?

And wasn't Steve Mclaren's only honour before winning that title a UEFA Cup runners-up medal?

He also won the Carling Cup - so he is actually more successful than Hodgson

you really think Mclaren is a better manager than hodgson?

Did Mclaren win manager of the year with a team like Fulham?

Lets try giving Hodgson a break, I think he's gonna do well for us

by **paisleyred** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:22 am

Because he has never won a major honour also means he never will?
Get a grip and give the guy a chance!

by **Scottbot** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:52 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Scottbot wrote:And wasn't Steve Mclaren's only honour before winning that title a UEFA Cup runners-up medal?

He also won the Carling Cup - so he is actually more successful than Hodgson

But he actually managed to get the National team he was managing into the tournament(s) they were entered into.

We could go on all day.

by **Owzat** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:08 am

Russian doll! Russian doll!

People can speculate until the cows come home as to whether a manager who has never managed a big club (in England) will succeed or not, there are examples and counter-examples of how it works out. You could say Dario Gradi has done fantastic things at Crewe in the past, he could succeed at a big club, but it is unlikely anyone will talk up his credentials.

Do we care what Hodgson can or can't do in cups?!!? Surely it is the league we need to succeed in, stabilize in, focus on, however you want to put it. If Woy came in and won the Carling Cup or Euro Disney League every season for the next six seasons would people be happy?!? I would only be happy if that came with the kind of league finishes we should be achieving, couldn't give a stuff about the cups. We've won every (club) cup bar the World Club Championship in the past 10 years, we haven't won the league for 20

As for comparisons with McLaren, maybe Woy should go off and manage a top club in a second rate league. Players have been poached at the 11th hour, why not managers.....................

by **Ciggy** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:12 am

Excellent article from Dion Fanning.

Hodgson makes right noises in the wrong place
Roy Hodgson's arrival is confirmation of Liverpool's great decline, says Dion Fanning

Although as the writer in question also once suggested that Emile Heskey could have the same impact on a club as Eric Cantona, there are good reasons right now for Liverpool to feel very afraid.

Hodgson will not make or break Liverpool, Tom Hicks and George Gillett have already taken care of that, but his appointment last week underlined one thing: football is no longer the priority at Anfield.

Hodgson was, by all accounts, impressive at his introductory press conference on Thursday but he was always going to be. He is astute at playing the media, saying nothing or saying the right thing, which as far as the corporate class who run Liverpool are concerned is the same thing.

For them, Hodgson's debut was a dream. He was hailed by the media, many of who feel they will be inside the tent once more after the years when Benitez treated them with contempt, and he made no claims on money that did not exist.

Liverpool underlined their position as a dwindling force in English football with the announcement that the eminently reasonable Hodgson would be their new manager.

Hodgson described managing Liverpool as "the biggest job in club football" which in some ways is true. It is the biggest challenge but if Liverpool were the biggest club in world football, they wouldn't be appointing Roy Hodgson as manager. Hodgson seems to sense this somewhere. He is a footnote in Liverpool's history but, more importantly, he is a footnote in Liverpool's present.

Liverpool is now a club owned by banks and run for the benefit of bankers. They have appeared to discount the advice of the football man Kenny Dalglish, although at Hodgson's presentation it was said he was fully supportive. Subsequent quotes from Dalglish, the spiritual leader of Liverpool Football Club, gave his backing to the new manager.

Dalglish is being impeccably loyal to the club he loves but what kind of club remains is, as the new manager admitted, beyond Hodgson's control. He says he has received assurances that he will receive any money from the sale of players but this would be a change of strategy. This regime is also good at giving assurances. The new stadium is already built on assurances alone and Tom Hicks was able to name a completion date without letting anyone know when building would start.

The chairman Martin Broughton last week assured people that unknown bidders would start trying to buy the club by mid-July and he expected the club to be sold by the end of August, even though there have been no bids yet. With these men in charge of an appointment, Liverpool were never going to get a revolutionary or even a visionary. Instead they got the company man.

The distraction is about Hodgson keeping the players who want to leave, the players who would leave, it was suggested, if Benitez stayed. Javier Mascherano seems certain to go while Fernando Torres may stick around for one more season, but he may be more reluctant if Steven Gerrard goes.

One website reported that Gerrard had "given his unanimous backing" to Hodgson. For somebody as conflicted as Gerrard that would be possible but also quite an achievement. Gerrard's backing might not keep him at the club and if Liverpool was still a football club, selling Gerrard would make a lot of sense.

Unfortunately, Hodgson would probably not see the money if he sold him so he has to fight to keep him, but admitted on his first day that it was "to some extent, out of his hands". Hodgson is a reasonable man in circumstances that are unreasonable. They are banking on him staying reasonable.

To date, Christian Purslow has failed to do what he was brought in to do and he fired Benitez for similar footballing failures. Now he has appointed a man who has many friends in the media, guaranteeing an orgy of :censored:

not seen since they urged Liverpool to be patient with Gerard Houllier (funny how they never had the same tolerance for Benitez, but Rafa never provided them with the name of a good restaurant in Montpellier).

By the end of the week, all the important figures had spoken. "He is a man of great experience who attends all the big tournaments," Houllier said of his friend, bringing his own touch of surreal flimflam to the proceedings. Attendance at all the big tournaments is now a qualification which must make Malcolm Brodie a prime candidate for the big jobs. Jose Mourinho, who hasn't spent much time in South Africa, would want to watch his back.

The age of :censored:

is back with the blessing of Houllier. Liverpool is now peppered with it. In response to one fan's criticism of the decision to sack Benitez, Broughton replied that the media didn't seem to agree with the supporters who were against the dismissal. What this had to do with anything wasn't made clear but the media reaction was, as the official website reported, universally supportive of Hodgson's appointment. They have controlled the news cycle while everything else falls to pieces.

Those who will protest in Liverpool today about the ownership of Hicks and Gillett are wise to what is going on. They are staging their own Independence Day and they know that Hodgson is window dressing. There were many justifiable reasons for dismissing Benitez but none for replacing him with Hodgson.

He makes the right noises in the right language, the language that is understood from the corporate world to the UEFA technical committees where Hodgson has permanent membership. It is the language of :censored:

.

"I'd like to sign off on the financial part and leave that to the man sat beside me because he knows more about these things than me," Hodgson said on Thursday, suggesting he hasn't been paying attention; the days when the money men knew about money is over.

But Hodgson is there as a balm. His purpose is not to soothe the supporters but to soothe those who now call the shots. There will be no more awkward press conferences; the bourgeoisie have triumphed.

They talk about stability and harmony. Why would a manager with a club in as much danger as Liverpool want to provide that? "The only complete person is a complete idiot," Tennessee Williams said. For harmony, stability and open lines of communication read inertia, acquiescence and appeasement.

Liverpool will be a quieter club under Hodgson. There was never a worse time to be silent.

http://www.independent.ie/sport....08.html

by **dawson99** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:20 am

puff piece purely there to undermine the current owners. great article but complete bollox and conjecture. its there to confirm whats happening today, which is again a very good thing, but its undermining the new manager

by **Ciggy** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:34 am

dawson99 wrote:puff piece purely there to undermine the current owners. great article but complete bollox and conjecture. its there to confirm whats happening today, which is again a very good thing, but its undermining the new manager

Yes he does undermine Hodgson somewhat but only time will tell if he is wrong or right, in the press conference on thursday he said to broughton how much more of this do you think the fans can take? They have been through hell and back whens it going to stop dont they deserve better than this talking about the owners not Hodgson. Not many journos would say such things it was good to hear.

by **dawson99** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:35 am

it is a fantastic article, hopefully the non liverpool fans reading it will start to see the predicament we are in

by **parchpea** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:37 am

The article tells us what we already know and more importantly what Hodgson will already be very aware of. What I dont understand is this impression that Hodgson is some lamb being led to the slaughter because the fella is no mug and is old and wise enough to be fully aware of the score at Liverpool. The club being on sale leaves us on rocky ground at the moment but we wont be in this position forever and the eventual sale will see us get back on firmer ground. Until then Hodgson needs to get our boys playing football and into that 4th spot which is something I beleive they can achieve next season.

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