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by **In and Out** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:10 am

I think someone started a thread about English goalkeepers in years gone by being generally good. The three they have at the WC do not feel me with confidence. I think James is a good shot stopper and has experience as well, but when the ball is in play and he has it at his feet he looks so un-Reina like, it's awkward. Plus he is prone to a few clangers as well.

As usual re the team, they've been over hyped (yawn) and the knives will be out when they fail. Saying that Heskey upfront, defo should of played Defoe. England don't have a 'natural' finisher in their side (akin to Lineker, Shearer, Owen) and have to rely on the overly rated (yawn) caveman Rooney. Drop Lampard an all and play Carrick or Barry in midfield to free up Gerrard more, the balance between Lampard and Gerrard is wrong and doesn't optimise Gerrard's potential. Give J.Cole a game to, seen as England lack ideas he's a genuine trickster and can muster up a lot more than either SWP or Milner.

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:02 am

In and Out wrote:I think someone started a thread about English goalkeepers in years gone by being generally good. The three they have at the WC do not feel me with confidence. I think James is a good shot stopper and has experience as well, but when the ball is in play and he has it at his feet he looks so un-Reina like, it's awkward. Plus he is prone to a few clangers as well.

As usual re the team, they've been over hyped (yawn) and the knives will be out when they fail. Saying that Heskey upfront, defo should of played Defoe. England don't have a 'natural' finisher in their side (akin to Lineker, Shearer, Owen) and have to rely on the overly rated (yawn) caveman Rooney. Drop Lampard an all and play Carrick or Barry in midfield to free up Gerrard more, the balance between Lampard and Gerrard is wrong and doesn't optimise Gerrard's potential. Give J.Cole a game to, seen as England lack ideas he's a genuine trickster and can muster up a lot more than either SWP or Milner.

We will always fail as long as the same ole over rated culprits are picked. Every manager we have had have continued to pick names rather than a team. I was hoping Capello would pick a team. I was wrong. All the friendly matches we have had could have been spent trying to build that team, but alas, the big names come first. Just look at the reaction to Ferdinands injury, I know I wasnt the only one who thought "so what?".

We dont have a team, we a squad of individuals. And as long as the coaches fail to see this, we will have this squad for a long time to come.

by **Reg** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:11 am

Would Calamity James have done any better?

To make a basic mistake like that at national level is staggering.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:32 am

In all honesty, did anyone really think England would walk over the USA with a team including Green, Lennon, Heskey and Milner in the starting line-up? It's a pathetic indictment of English football that rubbish like them is deemed good enough for a World Cup game.

A friendly against San Marino - fine. But the World Cup? F*ck off. If any of those are International class, I'm a Man U fan. :no

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:56 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:In all honesty, did anyone really think England would walk over the USA with a team including Green, Lennon, Heskey and Milner in the starting line-up? It's a pathetic indictment of English football that rubbish like them is deemed good enough for a World Cup game.

A friendly against San Marino - fine. But the World Cup? F*ck off. If any of those are International class, I'm a Man U fan.

I didnt expect us to do well as my prediction of 1-1 2 days ago showed ! (wheres the smug smiley?)

The problem with England is there is a lack of talent. And what talent there is, is beefed up to stupid levels where they are classed as the best we have. The prices for English players are ridiculous. But this is where Capello should have focused on the team. He should have made a team out of what he has available, he hasnt and this will be our downfall.

by **laza** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:11 am

Argy army is on the move, pity about my predictions.

As for England well it isnt a death blow to getting out of the group and its early days but performance is probably a harbinger of another disappointing WC campaign
Like others have stated, team selection just seems to be about the name and not merit

As for the poor keeper, well as Kermit says

by **Owzat** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:16 am

Vote out the vuvuzela

http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1013324#p1013324

Suprisingly 37.5% voted they like it on the neutral forum I posted this as a poll

Lando_Griffin wrote:In all honesty, did anyone really think England would walk over the USA with a team including Green, Lennon, Heskey and Milner in the starting line-up? It's a pathetic indictment of English football that rubbish like them is deemed good enough for a World Cup game.

A friendly against San Marino - fine. But the World Cup? F*ck off. If any of those are International class, I'm a Man U fan.

Terrible selection, you can include 'walking wounded' King in that who was a poor selection overall. Have you heard he has to be careful how much he plays kickabout with his kid?!? :laugh:

England controlled the game, but Lennon who is talked up a lot just kept cutting inside. Heskey is useful to a point, but you don't need limited usefulness and he seems to have little positional sense in the box. SWP seems to be playing like he's still at school, run with the ball or kick n rush, but needs a lot more training on how to play as part of a TEAM

Not sure why Cappello picked Green, but that was his costliest mistake. England keepers are prone to the odd clanger, and it could have happened to anyone, but Hart is the man of the moment. Can't see him being in goal next match somehow, he'll be peppered with long shots and if the opposition have any sense they'll rush him for spills. He's bound to try and make up for it by being too gung ho, he should be dropped because of the psychological impact that clanger will have had on him - let alone his team mates

Can only get easier from here. Hopefully the rubbish will have played themselves out of the side, except Heskey. Play Defoe and Rooney ffs Cappello, give Rooney someone to feed and make Rooney the playmaking second striker.

by **Owzat** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:22 am

laza wrote:As for England well it isnt a death blow to getting out of the group and its early days but performance is probably a harbinger of another disappointing WC campaign
Like others have stated, team selection just seems to be about the name and not merit

It isn't terminal, it was in theory our toughest game despite the muppet yank who claims it isn't their toughest game - although England didn't exactly make him eat his words, Algeria or Slovenia may well

You are right about the name game, I think England look a better team without some of the names that get in on name alone. I think we have too many primadonnas, and I am disappointed Joe Cole didn't come on for Milner.

The clanger cost us two points, but it was the lack of quality in the final third which comes from a side containing Heskey, Lennon and SWP. How many of those would man utd want? Probably Lennon based on form he can show, the other two they wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Running fast is about all they are good for, ping in enough crosses and by the law of averages one or two are bound to be good. But Lennon cut inside which didn't help, Johnson impressed me more in that regard (of providing width) Not that a target of Heskey or Crouch is much use if you do cross, one pull-back found Heskey closer to the goal than Rooney at the near post and noone got on the end of it.

Sadly it is all too much like watching Liverpool at times

by **The Good Yank** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:03 am

How come when the US beat Spain in the Confederations Cup (Against the same squad that will play in the WC) it was because Spain played poorly.

How come after a draw against England where despite the Brain Fart by Green, was a game that England were lucky to get a point out of, all anyone talks about is how poorly England played?

by **laza** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:49 am

Its the bane of the underdog Good Yank , just ask those guys who knocked the US dream team out of Olympics that time

by **lakes10** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:33 am

do you know i am more upset about missin the England goal that Green letting one in.
I think its more to do with the fact that my five year old daughter and her friend was sitting there and missed it aswell, we told them that if he got a goal they could run around screaming.

I feel that ITV have taken a moment of joy from them

by **Owzat** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:49 am

The Good Yank wrote:was a game that England were lucky to get a point out of

How do you work that out? yanks were lucky to score - and shouldn't have

by **tubby** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:05 am

lakes10 wrote:do you know i am more upset about missin the England goal that Green letting one in.
I think its more to do with the fact that my five year old daughter and her friend was sitting there and missed it aswell, we told them that if he got a goal they could run around screaming.

I feel that ITV have taken a moment of joy from them

Everton fans feel your pain.

by **zarababe** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:36 am

I'm afarid the reality is - barring Rooney - England have a poor strike force, good midfield and shakey defence - Johnson was brilliant BTW.

The weight of expectation is such that ppl forget the top sides in the Premiership, have more foreign players then English ones. The 'Real top four' does not have an English goal keeper, and with sprinklings of Englsih players in the these sides.. there just isn't the 'big game' experience and technical ability that could make Engerland world beaters.

International football = orchestrating - so an Argentina can be carried with the passion and inspiration of a legend - backed-up with the technical stuff from Carlos Bilardo (WC winning coach 1986), becasue the team is technically gifted, assured, confident and players strut their stuff at the top clubs oh and their 'happy'.

Engerland... look stressed and unsure.

Annyhow - I fully expect them to get through to the 2nd round.. have to say watching Crouch come on was embarrasing - is that the best we can offer !

by **tubby** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:46 am

Yeah we should have brought on Defoe.

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