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[Bammo]

Sign Stephen Ireland Rafa.

I was just about to post that when I saw you'd put it

I think he'd be a decent replacement (possibly even for Gerrard long term).

I'd rather we sold Alonso for £30m+ then got Ireland for £20m plus a £10m backup attacking player. The squad would be stronger.

[heimdall]

What does it mean to hand in a transfer request, does that mean the club have to sell the player, I've never really understood the legal ramifications of a transfer request apart from that a player looses his share of the transfer fee.?

I don't think it has any legal ramifications Heimdall. It just shows that the player is so determined to leave that he is willing to lose his "loyalty" bonus.

I know a few will admire him for trying to get RS some money out of the deal (if he is ), but he has been a Liverpool player for 5 years now and he shouldn't be robbing us to help another club.

Still even if we take a knock because of the sell on clause, we will still get a lot more for him than we did last season. I just hope Rafa has someone already lined up.

oh ok so the club can still turn round and say, look you have two choices either put in a bloody good effort for at least half a year or rot in the reserves scumbag!   

The only real problem with that is that no one will want to buy him for £25million after 6 months on the bench. So the club is gambling big time if they don't sell an unhappy player.

Yes but hopefully the player will realise that himself, that if he doesn't play regularly then he doesn't go to South Africa, he doesn't get his apparent dream move etc. The club has far more power here than the player, especially in the lead up to the world cup.
I am fairly certain that that was the discussion Fergie had with Oilslick last summer, give us one more year, play fantastic and you'll not only get the transfer but become an international superstar as well after a record breaking transfer.

[ElNino9]

Great minds think alike

Ireland is pacey, scores loads of goals, reads the game well and is young. He would defo be a replacement for Gerrad in the long term.

Sell Xabi for £35m, buy Ireland for £20m and Negredo for £15m and we're sorted.

[heimdall]

Sign Stephen Ireland Rafa.

I was just about to post that when I saw you'd put it

I think he'd be a decent replacement (possibly even for Gerrard long term).

I'd rather we sold Alonso for £30m+ then got Ireland for £20m plus a £10m backup attacking player. The squad would be stronger.

Why is Xabi only worth £23million to real Madrid. I do NOT think that is a fair price considerign they spent £80million on Ronaldo, I think we shoudl at the least hold out for £35 million, RM have the money they are jsut tryign to wind us up. i would be givign them the ultimatum and if they don't want to pay then I'd sell him to Barca or swap him over to Valencia plus a bit of cash in exchange for Villa.

[Greavesie]

  City in talks with Adebayor!

anyway regarding Alonso. As much as this is gutting me I reckon we could use this as an opportunity to get a more attack minded midfielder. Mascha is sound defensiely and we could use someone whos going to get forward more and attack the oppo. Dont know who like but Rafa seems sound in that area so I'm sure he will sign a good replacement

[heimdall]

Great minds think alike

Ireland is pacey, scores loads of goals, reads the game well and is young. He would defo be a replacement for Gerrad in the long term.

Sell Xabi for £35m, buy Ireland for £20m and Negredo for £15m and we're sorted.

great minds my     Where are you getting your valuation of Stephen Ireland from, why would he come to us when he is so settled in a big spending team like Man City and why would they sell him for only £20 million?

[ElNino9]

Adebayor in talks with City!!

hell they have Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Tevez and now they want Luis Fabiano and Adebayor. They need more than strikers!

http://www.goal.com/en....nal-for

[ElNino9]

Great minds think alike

Ireland is pacey, scores loads of goals, reads the game well and is young. He would defo be a replacement for Gerrad in the long term.

Sell Xabi for £35m, buy Ireland for £20m and Negredo for £15m and we're sorted.

great minds my     Where are you getting your valuation of Stephen Ireland from, why would he come to us when he is so settled in a big spending team like Man City and why would they sell him for only £20 million?

I wasn't the only one sugesting we buy him for £20m besides he is worth around that amount.

[Bammo]

Great minds think alike

Ireland is pacey, scores loads of goals, reads the game well and is young. He would defo be a replacement for Gerrad in the long term.

Sell Xabi for £35m, buy Ireland for £20m and Negredo for £15m and we're sorted.

great minds my     Where are you getting your valuation of Stephen Ireland from, why would he come to us when he is so settled in a big spending team like Man City and why would they sell him for only £20 million?

It's all ifs, ands and buts 

All of this thinking is based on the hope that Rafa would have sorted out a replacement for Xabi before he sells him and therefore know player values. I'd be more than happy with Ireland and a squad player for the money we get for Alonso.

Ireland isn't as good as Xabi and so shouldn't be worth as much, therefore if Xabi is rated at £30m maximum, Ireland should be £20m-£25m.

Of course we could rely on youth players like Lucas, Spearing and Plessis instead and spend the money elsewhere.

[ElNino9]

I hope Rafa does have someone lined up as a replacement but just not Lee Cattermole!!

[Roger Red Hat]

so we end up with him when he has this 'bad day' ??  fk that

[Dundalk]

Fergie has come out and said he is finished signing players for the summer and Rafa said that we are more or less finished as well

Do you believe that?

[Bad Bob]

Well, if the rumours are true I'm very disappointed Alonso wants to leave at this stage.  He's always been one of my favourite players but this will leave a bad taste in my mouth.  Wouldn't consider him a pr!ck or anything, though (Lando finally gets his example   ).  So, assuming we now feel compelled to deal--and I think we do, given the risk of his value plummeting if he stays and Rafa decides to 'rotate' him--I think Mick's right: anything north of 25 million pounds cash should be considered.  Personally, I would lower our price to 30 and say that's firm, aren't willing to go lower, will demand the player stay and honour his contract etc. etc.  Let Madrid chew on that for a week or so and see if they bite.  We can probably then look to sew things up in the high 20s.  In the meantime, if I were Rafa, I would be getting on the horn with H & G sharpish and insisting they be prepared to stump up cash now, on spec, for Alonso's replacement.  We cannot afford to wait until all the i's are dotted and t's crossed on a deal with Madrid before we move for a replacement.  Get the new player signed now and bank the Allonso money later.

[maguskwt]

What does it mean to hand in a transfer request, does that mean the club have to sell the player, I've never really understood the legal ramifications of a transfer request apart from that a player looses his share of the transfer fee.?

I don't think it has any legal ramifications Heimdall. It just shows that the player is so determined to leave that he is willing to lose his "loyalty" bonus.

I know a few will admire him for trying to get RS some money out of the deal (if he is ), but he has been a Liverpool player for 5 years now and he shouldn't be robbing us to help another club.

Still even if we take a knock because of the sell on clause, we will still get a lot more for him than we did last season. I just hope Rafa has someone already lined up.

oh ok so the club can still turn round and say, look you have two choices either put in a bloody good effort for at least half a year or rot in the reserves scumbag!   

The only real problem with that is that no one will want to buy him for £25million after 6 months on the bench. So the club is gambling big time if they don't sell an unhappy player.

Very true. Nobody wanted to buy him for 15 million last Summer after 3 years on the pitch, so six months on the bench is hardly going to push up his value.

No, if he wants to go then we should sell him. Fortunately, him wanting to go is coinciding with the period in his five year Liverpool career when his transfer value is at its highest. If it's over 25 million quid it's a good deal IMHO and we should take it. No players in exchange mind or any of that old b0ll0cks, pure hard cash.

While I agree we should sell a player if he wants to leave I don't agree we should be lowering the price to sell him... this is what RM wants really... If they play hardball by lowering their offer I don't believe rafa should cave in. 27 million in my opinion is the absolute minimum we should be getting. We should hold out for 30 million and that's a fair price for xabi. If not... bye bye Real... Xabi you can either play well or make the bench your best friend cause you signed a contract which has 3 more years to go. When did it become that a contract means nothing? We are losing a world class midfielder and we are being low-balled by Real? No way Jose... I agree with Heimdall here even though I don't hold anything against Xabi... Xabi i a model professional and even if Rafa made him stay against his will, he will still well. after all like Heimdall mentioned he needs to prove himself for the World Cup. Unlike some of you, I believe we are holding the better cards here. What Raffa shouldn't do now is to panic and cave in because we are concerned about next season. Look at how Ferguson played his hand with Ronaldo... He's losing 2 very good players in Ronaldo and Tevez... but he still kept his calm. So then he gets the 80 million...

[Kash_Mountain]

Fergie has come out and said he is finished signing players for the summer and Rafa said that we are more or less finished as well

Do you believe that?

No, I don't believe it for a second. Rafa knows (as do we all) that he needs to improve the squad. When he says "more or less finished" to me, this sounds like he is actually saying that "we just have a few business issues to sort out, then thats it". He's keeping things close to his chest thats all.

I expect at least one (maybe two) more to come to Anfield. Who they could be is another matter.