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[metalhead]

All managers don't usually change their methods and Rafa won't

[Rush Job]

Benitez just signed Cassano apparently. I know he's a very talented player and free..BUT a Benitez player? Makes Bellamy look like an angel.

Rafa doesnt do the signings mate, more head coach than manager.

[Ring-of-Fire]

just look at the players inter have full of world class players and hes still making a mess of things. With players egos at an all time high you need to be a good man manager and sadly rafas worst trait.

Don't you think you're being a bit unfair? They played 70-odd games last season then ha the World Cup. It's obvious to anyone who watched them last season and this that their big players are knackered. Not to mention half of them have been out through injury. I can't believe so many people hate Rafa - he's a legend in my eyes and I'd have him back in a heartbeat. That said, Roy is our boss now and although he's having a tough time of it he deserves backing.

So I guess you were happy with how we played last season then? How many other excuses do you have prepared for Rafa, I guess fairly soon it will be the Inter Milan owners fault eh?

Are we playing any better this season, or are we actually worse? I don't need to make excuses for Rafa and people like you won't alter my view that he was a success. Last season doesn't change the previous successes.

[kunilson]

i wouldnt have him back.

that doesnt mean i dont appreciate what he done in his time here....but i think we should be moving forwards....without going backwards...

[Tophatman]

Feck noooo:laugh:

[Kharhaz]

Now here is where my problems with the "Antis" points of view begin to emerge

1. To blame all our current troubles in Benitez making such comments as "he left us with no squad and average players" is nonsense. We know why top players were not purchased, and we know who was pulling the pursestrings. We are also know we worked on a sell to buy policy. £8m net spend in 4 seasons says it all in that department. I was up in arms about some of our signings as well (G Johnson for £17m in particular) but all managers sign just as many flops as they do world beaters

2. His silly games cost us the title. His "facts" rant has been a stick used to beat the man with contantly by some of you guys. Possibly because its such a media friendly soundbite its easy to forget that in time between us battering Newcastle and our lifeless display against Stoke another rather more significant thing happened to our player of the year that season. Gerrard got arrested and spent the next month playing like a bag of rats. Against a tide of negative press for our captain couldnt it be assumed that his speech was an attempt to take some of the spotlight off his clearly suffering captain? When was the last time this was mentioned on here? Ever?

3.That the pros attacking Roy means that that you should attack Benitez as retaliation. If as a fan you dont believe the Liverpool manager is up to the job that is your God given right to say so. I didnt for a second want Roy Hodgson given the Liverpool job, and at times he has made some horrible, horrible decisions regarding tactics and line ups as well as some releasing some rather unfortunate statements to the media, although I dont for a second believe these have been anywhere near the vitriol that some "pros" would have you believe but heres the kicker - SO DID RAFA! Rememebr the look of sheer implausability from Gerrard last year when Torres was dragged off against Birmingham with 20mins left with the score tied and not a bit of match winning quality on the bench? That was every bit as daft as anything Roy could come up with this year. Anyway regardless of my opinion I would cheer them and the side every time they walked out on the pitch

4. THE FACTS. Under Benitez we were a big club. FACT. ranked number 1 in Europe and making the last 4 of the CL on a regular basis. We may not have won the league, but we came damn close - but we did win the biggest club competition in world football in what was the greatest night any person could hope to experience following a sports team. For this I will always rememeber him with fondness. For the unprecedented step of calling into a bar to sit with fans after the Leverkusen game, that I will always remember fondly too. For destroying the two sides widely regarded to be "the biggest clubs in the world" IN THE SPACE OF 4 F*CKING DAYS! That I will also always treasure

The problem is, Rafa is used a lot in all arguments. And this is wrong. Rafa is hailed as the best thing to happen to this club. Rafa is also used as a scapegoat for the way we play negative football and so can be used as a counter to that argument.

The main reason why Rafa is used, is because he represents all that is good and bad with Liverpool FC.

This is the division. This is what is wrong with us as supporters. There is a stubborn stance across all the attitudes. We currently have Roy Hodgson as our manager. And his appointment has caused rifts. His appointment has elevated Rafa to sensational new levels. Since Roy has been appointed, he is now the catalyst for what is wrong with the club. I have seen the arguments, the daftest one being "Hicks and Gillett appointed him".

And everything that Roy comes out with is wrong. No matter what he says, it is twisted beyond comprehension, into negative, negative and more negative. The man cannot do right. Whatever he does is wrong, he has no chance. And this is the Liverpool manager. He is not being slaughtered by the press, but by our very own supporters.

The same supporters who will have not one bad word said against Rafa. The minute he mentions anything about Liverpool that article, from every web site and every tabloid is put up here, and the hypocrisy which makes me laugh, is he talks about sugar, and milk, and yet the guys a genius.

But Roy has a bad word against Johnson's form and my god, the uproar he caused.

Rafa isnt the problem though. We all acknowledge the good times. Under Rafa we won the European Cup. That will never be forgotten. We beat Barcelona in their own back yard, we thrashed Real Madrid, we thumped Man Utd at Old Trafford.

But he also created the most boring, predictable team in our history. For every one great memory, it was followed by a lot of "forgettable" moments.

The problem is the attitude of supporters. How they cannot afford an ounce of patience or respect or acknowledgement for Roy Hodgson, and yet afford more than enough for Rafa Benitez.

Its not an Anti vs Pro argument, its an argument about respect. And Rafa Benitez is the perfect tool for both sides of the argument.

[ConnO'var]

Thanks but no.....

He had his good times with us but I would not want him back. I think that the good times we had in his tenure were achieved in spite of him.
I never liked his tactics, player management, purchases and his dealings with the press.

I'm certainly not blaming him for all our current woes but he certainly was one of the architects. Look what he's done at Inter. Took a Serie A AND Champions League winning team and lost them their recent unbelievable home record (to their most bitter rivals no less).. the team is in a bad state right now as far as the league is concerned..... there are murmurings of player discontent with the Inter president having to recently quell the rumour about a senior player wanting him out (Cambiasso) in public.

Doesn't all that strike a familiar chord?

I agree that we need better.... but not till Roy has been given a fair shake... at least till the end of this season.


BUT the man we need is NOT Benitez....... His methods don't work in the Premiership, IMO and neither do they seem to be working in Italy.


If we need a change (and sadly, I believe that we do) at the end of the season..... the man we need is the King.... Sadly, his second coming will probably be too late for our 2 latest local sons..... They are approaching the twilight of their careers and we never got to utilize them to full effect in the prime of their careers...... It took too long to let Benitez go. Under Kenny, we would have added at least another title by now... I'm convinced of it.

Bring Benitez back?
With due respect, yer'd have to be out yer feckin' mind!

[Joeblackisachimp]

There are rumors that Benitez will be sacked by Inter if his ways do not improve quickly.

does that statement of yours mate  not explain this whole topic?!

Rafa did not take long to turn a strong Inter into a load of tosh.

I think not for a Rafa return

[Thommo's perm]

There are rumors that Benitez will be sacked by Inter if his ways do not improve quickly.

does that statement of yours mate  not explain this whole topic?!

Rafa did not take long to turn a strong Inter into a load of tosh.

I think not for a Rafa return

He is doing much the same as he did here in his first season
He might go on to win the CL...?

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

The sad thing about this whole shameful episode is the posters who feel the need to correct anyone attempting to dilute the current managers past successes ,and yet continue to undermine Benitez's in the same breath ...... let me refresh peoples memories that would be Istanbul for no.5 and the Millenium Stadium where we won the fa cup ....not forgetting we actually got to actually touch the Mancs coat tails for the first time since Evans was in charge .....
but lets put all that to one side .... some people always knew he wasn't the right man for the job ...they didnt like his tactics ...they didnt like his formations ....they didnt like his dealings in the transfer market .... they didnt like his Goatee ffs, and in answer to the topic starters question ....yes I would have Benitez back in a veritable heart beat ...so if that makes me fecking mad than so be it ......maybe I just want a manager I can trust again .................... some of the responses on this thread have been nothing short of disgraceful but there is some from posters I have in the past deemed knowledgeable ...... this thread has however served as notice to my earlier misguided assumptions

[kazza]

I think that the good times we had in his tenure were achieved in spite of him.
I never liked his tactics, player management, purchases and his dealings with the press.

I'm certainly not blaming him for all our current woes but he certainly was one of the architects. Look what he's done at Inter. Took a Serie A AND Champions League winning team and lost them their recent unbelievable home record (to their most bitter rivals no less).. the team is in a bad state right now as far as the league is concerned

So simplistic!! Maybe you should stick to less complicated topics like "do you like toast? or "what shape is the ROUND ball?"

If you are going to blame Rafa for Liverpool's problems then surley Maureen must shoulder some blame for Inter's woes.

[dawson99]

The sad thing about this whole shameful episode is the posters who feel the need to correct anyone attempting to dilute the current managers past successes ,and yet continue to undermine Benitez's in the same breath ...... let me refresh peoples memories that would be Istanbul for no.5 and the Millenium Stadium where we won the fa cup ....not forgetting we actually got to actually touch the Mancs coat tails for the first time since Evans was in charge .....
but lets put all that to one side .... some people always knew he wasn't the right man for the job ...they didnt like his tactics ...they didnt like his formations ....they didnt like his dealings in the transfer market .... they didnt like his Goatee ffs, and in answer to the topic starters question ....yes I would have Benitez back in a veritable heart beat ...so if that makes me fecking mad than so be it ......maybe I just want a manager I can trust again .................... some of the responses on this thread have been nothing short of disgraceful but there is some from posters I have in the past deemed knowledgeable ...... this thread has however served as notice to my earlier misguided assumptions

bit harsh there. Rafa was good in parts but a lot of people, the majority in fact, would not want him back. He made too many mistakes, its time to move on, simple as that.. the responses about Rafa and Roy have both got out of order as oneupmanship commences

[alxy]

Nope, we need to move on. He might have been a good tactician, but I think he was poor from the man management perspective as well buying players. At the same time, I think Hodgson is also not the best option for Liverpool. When you're a super conglomerate you don't go out and hire your local grocery store manager as your CEO. Hodgson is out of his depth. We need someone who is used and can operate at the highest level.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

The sad thing about this whole shameful episode is the posters who feel the need to correct anyone attempting to dilute the current managers past successes ,and yet continue to undermine Benitez's in the same breath ...... let me refresh peoples memories that would be Istanbul for no.5 and the Millenium Stadium where we won the fa cup ....not forgetting we actually got to actually touch the Mancs coat tails for the first time since Evans was in charge .....
but lets put all that to one side .... some people always knew he wasn't the right man for the job ...they didnt like his tactics ...they didnt like his formations ....they didnt like his dealings in the transfer market .... they didnt like his Goatee ffs, and in answer to the topic starters question ....yes I would have Benitez back in a veritable heart beat ...so if that makes me fecking mad than so be it ......maybe I just want a manager I can trust again .................... some of the responses on this thread have been nothing short of disgraceful but there is some from posters I have in the past deemed knowledgeable ...... this thread has however served as notice to my earlier misguided assumptions

bit harsh there. Rafa was good in parts but a lot of people, the majority in fact, would not want him back. He made too many mistakes, its time to move on, simple as that.. the responses about Rafa and Roy have both got out of order as oneupmanship commences

The majority on a forum Daws ? do us a favor... step outside  just for a minute mate ...because there is a huge swell of supporters who would have him back ..........................
and the word harsh should be used to describe the posters who conveniently forget that he gave us our credibility back and made us feared throughout Europe .... and it really is shameful the way people conclude he was only detrimental to the clubs well being ...then complain about how fans treat Hodgson
had enough now ....the proverbial fucking belly full of this shit

[dawson99]

The sad thing about this whole shameful episode is the posters who feel the need to correct anyone attempting to dilute the current managers past successes ,and yet continue to undermine Benitez's in the same breath ...... let me refresh peoples memories that would be Istanbul for no.5 and the Millenium Stadium where we won the fa cup ....not forgetting we actually got to actually touch the Mancs coat tails for the first time since Evans was in charge .....
but lets put all that to one side .... some people always knew he wasn't the right man for the job ...they didnt like his tactics ...they didnt like his formations ....they didnt like his dealings in the transfer market .... they didnt like his Goatee ffs, and in answer to the topic starters question ....yes I would have Benitez back in a veritable heart beat ...so if that makes me fecking mad than so be it ......maybe I just want a manager I can trust again .................... some of the responses on this thread have been nothing short of disgraceful but there is some from posters I have in the past deemed knowledgeable ...... this thread has however served as notice to my earlier misguided assumptions

bit harsh there. Rafa was good in parts but a lot of people, the majority in fact, would not want him back. He made too many mistakes, its time to move on, simple as that.. the responses about Rafa and Roy have both got out of order as oneupmanship commences

The majority on a forum Daws ? do us a favor... step outside  just for a minute mate ...because there is a huge swell of supporters who would have him back ..........................
and the word harsh should be used to describe the posters who conveniently forget that he gave us our credibility back and made us feared throughout Europe .... and it really is shameful the way people conclude he was only detrimental to the clubs well being ...then complain about how fans treat Hodgson
had enough now ....the proverbial fucking belly full of this shit

sorry mate, when Bav says a mojority on a forum its fine, when i do, as this forum has sown, its not?

Do me a lemon, virtually no one wants him back. people have the blinkers on, not seeing the big picture, how dross we were. Last year we lost 2-1 to spurs, same as this year, except this year its just poor finishing that let us down.. we're moving forwards.

Let Rafa stay far away as far as most of us are concerned, hes got his pieces of silver off us