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[devaney]

I think Stu said he played semi professional. I've got a mate that plays at that level for £500 per week in the Football League Championship, the second tier of English football. Nothing wrong with that but it's not what you would call a high level.

Stu seems to be a bit of a legend in his own mind    Do Chelsea honestly think that we got what we paid for with Danny? 21 goals in 27 matches for £12m doesn't seem like the player that they sold or what a lot of Chelsea supporters think of him.

[Octsky]

Great goal by Sturridge. But I would like to see more link up play between Sturridge and Suarez... Right now both are selfish and always trying to go solo. Some teams would be able to stop them going solo... If that happens they need each other to make plays...

Sturridge assisted Suarez twice against Sunderland. Suarez returned the compliment against Newcastle.
Sturridge also put Suarez in for the sending off against Newcastle.

Yes more of that... I was talking about the west brom game where sturridge was desperately trying to get on the score sheet and stopped looking for Suarez

yeah i notice that too..inside the 6 yards sturridge wont not pass to other players in better position.
but we were leading 3-1 before sturridge scored the chip. so not complains.

[metalhead]

Stu mate, even though he isn't a top player that many likes to exaggerate, he still scores goals and loads of them, which makes him ONE of our best players in the team.

I also disagree with you on his decision making last game, yes I was actually saying to myself that he should pass the ball to Gerrard when he was making a run in space, but in that case DS made the right decision (not a fluke goal).

[crazyhorse]

The thing about Daniel is that he is a scorer of great goals as well as being a great goal scorer.

He is selfish and sometimes his awareness lets him down, but his primary role is to score goals, and his secondary one is to create them. By my reckoning he is doing a good job at the moment in both areas.

He is 24 years old and his development has been stalling for the last couple of years. This guy should be the future for the next 8 seasons and he will (should) only get better.

[Stu the Red]

I think Stu said he played semi professional. I've got a mate that plays at that level for £500 per week in the Football League Championship, the second tier of English football. Nothing wrong with that but it's not what you would call a high level.

Stu seems to be a bit of a legend in his own mind    Do Chelsea honestly think that we got what we paid for with Danny? 21 goals in 27 matches for £12m doesn't seem like the player that they sold or what a lot of Chelsea supporters think of him.

On a side note devaney have you ever played?

When you play at conference level and you see players who are championship level the differences are very difficult to see, especially in training.

Quite often what will seperate a league two or league one player from the bottom of the premiership is their ability to perform infront of people when mortgages and livelihoods are at stake and ability to follow instructions and have faith in what you're doing.

There are alot of lads through out the leagues who are very very good players. Some of them  are more than capable of playing premier league football. I've played with lads who are amatuer players who have better technical ability than some premier league players but they either can't run or are just ***** ***** heads.

If your mate is playing in the championship on a (REGULAR) basis I'd expect him to be on more than £500 a week aswell (may have mis understood). There were lads at Whitton Albion on just short of that.

My point is, once you play semi professional, I would count that as a fairly high level. You're probably in the top few thousand in the country if you play there... think about how many people play the game and want to be a footballer when they're growing up? Its the most competative job market in the world.

[devaney]

I haven't played at any sort of half decent level Stu but there again I have never played tennis but I can certainly spot ability and have a very good eye for many sports. I am not having a go at your level of achievement which is admiral by any standards. Just joking when I say your a legend in your own mind. I played golf recently with two brothers.One of them was a professional playing on the main tour and the other brother who was equally as good insisted that he didn't have the bit between the ears that really counted. However being good at the game of football doesn't necessarily make somebody a good judge. Look how many good players make poor managers and vice versa.

I've also got a mate who's an amateur actor and he claims that there is very little difference at his level and top actors and to be honest he's shight !!! 

[Benny The Noon]

When does it turn from being "good form" to actually being a good player.

Currently Sturridge is consistently scoring goals - IMO that's because he is a top striker in the prem as opposed to someone like Cisse or Ba or were just "on form"

I would say IMO if a player continues playing to high level into a second season then it's more than a "hot streak" it's the sign of a top player.

[maguskwt]

It also depends on the system,  team and the manager's philosophy, and how the manager can get the best out of a player. Torres was phenomenal for us but he is Sh*t for chelsea. I don't think he turned into a bad player overnight...

[Stu the Red]

I haven't played at any sort of half decent level Stu but there again I have never played tennis but I can certainly spot ability and have a very good eye for many sports. I am not having a go at your level of achievement which is admiral by any standards. Just joking when I say your a legend in your own mind. I played golf recently with two brothers.One of them was a professional playing on the main tour and the other brother who was equally as good insisted that he didn't have the bit between the ears that really counted. However being good at the game of football doesn't necessarily make somebody a good judge. Look how many good players make poor managers and vice versa.

I've also got a mate who's an amateur actor and he claims that there is very little difference at his level and top actors and to be honest he's shight !!! 

I didn't take offence by the way, was just curious.

I know what you're saying about understanding the game and being good at it or two completely different things and agree completely.

What I will say is though I've never come across a truely great coach, manager or scout who hasn't played at least saturday league level. By the way, I've come across a few who have only played saturday league for years who are excellent and alot better than some of these muppets who've gone on to make a living from the game.

To be quite honest, I've always been very self critical and I judge a player much the same way I'd judge myself. When I see lads getting paid eighty grand a week plus and making the same mistakes I make myself when playing in similar situations, it infuriates me. I see lads playing passes that aren't on and realising I tried the same thing in a game the other week and it wasn't on for me either then it really does get back up that someone who's paid ridiculous sums of money has no more game intelligence than someone who wasn't good enough to make the grade.

[Stu the Red]

When does it turn from being "good form" to actually being a good player.

Currently Sturridge is consistently scoring goals - IMO that's because he is a top striker in the prem as opposed to someone like Cisse or Ba or were just "on form"

I would say IMO if a player continues playing to high level into a second season then it's more than a "hot streak" it's the sign of a top player.

It doesn't turn from one to the other.

Good ability makes a player a good player. Not good form.

Form doesn't make you better tactically, technically, physically and mentally. Form is often down to the players around you, not your own level of quality. Great players, in great teams, rarely if ever have "bad form". If they do, it generally doesn't last for more than a few games.

[Benny The Noon]

Think you missed the point

You have dismissed Sturridge as being a very good player ( one of the best in the league )when others have pointed to his performances since being at ou club - you said you dont judge players on their form. Hence why im saying that Sturridge is showing that he is a very good player and he isnt just on a hot streak of form. He is showing how good a goalscorer he is and how good a striker he is now he has a consistent run in a team. He is showing he is the top 5 strikers in the league along with players like Aguero , Rooney , RvP and Suarez

[Stu the Red]

Think you missed the point

You have dismissed Sturridge as being a very good player ( one of the best in the league )when others have pointed to his performances since being at ou club - you said you dont judge players on their form. Hence why im saying that Sturridge is showing that he is a very good player and he isnt just on a hot streak of form. He is showing how good a goalscorer he is and how good a striker he is now he has a consistent run in a team. He is showing he is the top 5 strikers in the league along with players like Aguero , Rooney , RvP and Suarez

Complete and utter garbage.

Just to clarify... you're saying Sturridge in the same class as Rooney, Suarez, van Persie and Aguero?

         

[Benny The Noon]

Yep - right now he is up there with them as goalscorers and continues to prove it each week. He scores goals and sets up goals. He produces the goods on the pitch.

[maguskwt]

I don't think think Shrek is as good as the rest mentioned...

[kazza]

The difference between conference level, championship level and premier level is consistency. Premier players can do those things more consistently. People tend to remember the good things they did rather than the reality so they tend to say " I can do that" when they see a player do something which is true but not accurate, they should have said " I have done that".

I have scored some great goals in my life where I hit the ball so perfectly and those moments are easy to remember vividly, I have missed some absolute sitters and those are much easier to forget. A lifetime of remembering the best moments of my ability can make me think I was better than I was. Best way to see how good you actually are is watch yourself on video on a regular basis, you will look good sometimes and you will look average most times, if you are being honest with your assessment that is.

You are only as good as your worst day, you are never as good as your best day except on that day