The fullback situation

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Postby Leonmc0708 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:01 pm

I have pondered this subject, that is the fullback problems, and I have to say having watched intensely the last four games from the stand paying particular attention to the fullbacks I dont see a "problem".

Yes they could be improved with hte addition of Paolo Maldini ten years ago and Cafu of five years ago, that is they are possibly our weakest links in the team, but they are not giving cause for concern.

The biggest cause for concern for me is right midfield in that we need to improve this position as the two best we have at the club to fill it are our striker and our best central midfielder.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:12 pm

s@int wrote:While I think there is something to be said for Aurelio taking corners .... he does take a few.The problem is if he takes them from the right (inswinging) its a hell of a way for him to get back into position if the corner is cleared. Similarly with Alonso, while not as much of a  problem when partnered by Masch, he still has to recover his position and the temptation is rather than await the outcome of the corner (when it could be played back out to the wing) try to regain his position as soon as it has been delivered.

good point there. i didnt think of it that way when i suggested it.
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Postby GYBS » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:29 pm

There is always players to cover people who are taking corners etc .

Also must agree with Leon i cant se emuch wrong with fullbacks at the moment - yeah they arent of evra boswinga standard but both playing pretty decent at the moment .
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Postby heimdall » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:04 pm

I disagree about the fullbacks, I think they are all fairly weak if you compare those positions to our competitiors like Manure, Chavs and the Gooners. Arbelola makes so many mistakes it is frightening but the last few games have been ok although against Atletico it was far from good!

I think if we could get good fullbacks and a good right winger/midfield then we were would be a very solid team. We also need to stop playing Lucas as he is a complete waste of space, surely one of the many many emerging youngsters must be better than him!
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Postby DanAn » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:15 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:I have pondered this subject, that is the fullback problems, and I have to say having watched intensely the last four games from the stand paying particular attention to the fullbacks I dont see a "problem".

Yes they could be improved with hte addition of Paolo Maldini ten years ago and Cafu of five years ago, that is they are possibly our weakest links in the team, but they are not giving cause for concern.

The biggest cause for concern for me is right midfield in that we need to improve this position as the two best we have at the club to fill it are our striker and our best central midfielder.

I agree to a certain extent both that we need a right winger and that our fullbacks are not as bad as being made out. However what do we do if Arbeloa is injured?

Perhaps the best solution is to find a player like Alves who is good both at RB and RW. Hell it doesn't even have to be a star like Alves perhaps just a good player like Emerton that can act as cover when Kuyt is needed elsewhere or Arbeloa is missing.

I think that is exactly why Degen was sign but I worry about his durability an have no idea whether or not he has the quality necessary.
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Postby zirgoz » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:15 am

Have anybody read the news about Sergio Ramos rift at Real? maybe Rafa is noticing this and buys him in the summer for the fullback position to give added flair to our squad?
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Postby LFC Uber Elite Super Member » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:11 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:I have pondered this subject, that is the fullback problems, and I have to say having watched intensely the last four games from the stand paying particular attention to the fullbacks I dont see a "problem".

Yes they could be improved with hte addition of Paolo Maldini ten years ago and Cafu of five years ago, that is they are possibly our weakest links in the team, but they are not giving cause for concern.

The biggest cause for concern for me is right midfield in that we need to improve this position as the two best we have at the club to fill it are our striker and our best central midfielder.

There is no problem as such with the fullbacks but imo they aren't a strength either. Fingers crossed Rafa has the cash to address the right midfield in January.
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Postby LegBarnes » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:31 am

zirgoz wrote:Have anybody read the news about Sergio Ramos rift at Real? maybe Rafa is noticing this and buys him in the summer for the fullback position to give added flair to our squad?

I been banging on about getting him for a while now didn't know he ha tiffs with his club that would be a great buy if we could get him and then we would have best right back in the league.

But knowing manc and arsenal they both be gunning for him (see what I did there I put gunning cos arsenal would errr O never mind).  :D
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:35 am

zirgoz wrote:Have anybody read the news about Sergio Ramos rift at Real? maybe Rafa is noticing this and buys him in the summer for the fullback position to give added flair to our squad?

yes. he was made to to apologise to the team after he said he felt like an orphan cause there is nobody in front of him and when he attacks he is often exposed.
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Postby GYBS » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:58 am

Ramos ?? How much money do people think we can afford to pay for a right back ? certainly not the amount Ramos would cost . The guy is only 22ish so not even close to his prime and Real paid 27 mil euros for him so he would be costing 20 mil upwards
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:19 am

I just dont understand Rafa playing Dossena ahead of Aurelio. He`s a fkin liability, always out of possition and dragging Agger across and when he is back he dosent seem to ar$ed about stopping the ball reaching the box.
How the fk can this lad be the current Italy LB?
Bench warmer till Jan then hopefully an Italian side will give us most of what we payed, i`d rather see Insua start if Aurelio is injured, at least you`d get 100% out the lad.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:31 am

The most worrying thing about Dossena, is the number of times he is beaten so comprehensively that he can't recover and make another challenge. I have rarely seen a professional footballer beaten in that way..... except by moments of exceptional skill. With Dossena it seems to be a regular occurence.
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Postby Gerrard30391 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:39 am

I believe we have the worst full backs of the "Big Four". Needs improving IMHO.
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Postby Rush Job » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:18 am

s@int wrote:The most worrying thing about Dossena, is the number of times he is beaten so comprehensively that he can't recover and make another challenge. I have rarely seen a professional footballer beaten in that way..... except by moments of exceptional skill. With Dossena it seems to be a regular occurence.

I know what you mean mate, he makes it so easy for the oppo RW to put the ball in the box, he dives in and makes big swings for the ball when he should be looking to contain and get a toe in not making up the RWs mind up for him.
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:57 am

Thankfully, there will always be an Italian club willing to take him off us for a decent sum given that he's in the Italian national team. Maybe not £7m, but maybe £5m. Or there's always Newcastle if we get desperate - ALWAYS willing to take a sh!t player for a reasonable sum.
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