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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:05 pm

i think he was, at least for that moment. i figure the reason why he was played ahead of Doss is cause the italian is slower and Bosingwa would be able to capitalize on that.
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:41 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:i think he was, at least for that moment. i figure the reason why he was played ahead of Doss is cause the italian is slower and Bosingwa would be able to capitalize on that.

The Italian is in fact quicker than Aurelio and surprisingly for an Italian is better advancing than retreating.

Aurelio was imo selected ahead of Dossena because he is a far superior full back.
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Postby GYBS » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:42 am

Also think cause Fabio has played in a few of these big games now . At the moment aurelio is a better defender than dossena with dossena more adventurous.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:06 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i think he was, at least for that moment. i figure the reason why he was played ahead of Doss is cause the italian is slower and Bosingwa would be able to capitalize on that.

The Italian is in fact quicker than Aurelio and surprisingly for an Italian is better advancing than retreating.

Aurelio was imo selected ahead of Dossena because he is a far superior full back.

i never knew he was quicker tbh. i always thought it was the other way round. but i agree Aurelio is the better def. perhaps if he is rated to be good with set pieces, Rafa should try getting him to take corners instead. his free kick against chelsea would have been a good corner  :D
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Postby stmichael » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 pm

I thought Arbeloa was excellent yesterday.
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Postby Owzat » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:24 pm

GYBS wrote:Also think cause Fabio has played in a few of these big games now . At the moment aurelio is a better defender than dossena with dossena more adventurous.

There's not huge amounts of evidence one way or the other, other than eye judgement. Aurelio has played in six games where we've kept a clean sheet this season, it was level before last night and a number of Aurelio's appearances in clean sheets have been as a sub

Aurelio 6 - Sunderland (1-0, sub), S Liege (1-0), A Villa (0-0, sub), bitters (2-0, sub), Chelsea (1-0), Pompey (1-0)

Dossena 5 - S Liege (0-0), Sunderland (1-0), A Villa (0-0), Stoke (0-0), bitters (2-0)

I'd rather Aurelio at the moment, offers more for my money going forward and defending. It is interesting that all three zip zips have involved Dossena and only three goals have come in those five games despite Rafa hinting/stating the full backs would be providing the width (as I recall at one point) No great significance to that kind of stat, it is rather interesting in terms of who is/was preferred etc and goalscoring
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:46 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i think he was, at least for that moment. i figure the reason why he was played ahead of Doss is cause the italian is slower and Bosingwa would be able to capitalize on that.

The Italian is in fact quicker than Aurelio and surprisingly for an Italian is better advancing than retreating.

Aurelio was imo selected ahead of Dossena because he is a far superior full back.

i never knew he was quicker tbh. i always thought it was the other way round. but i agree Aurelio is the better def. perhaps if he is rated to be good with set pieces, Rafa should try getting him to take corners instead. his free kick against chelsea would have been a good corner  :D

Aurelio is definitely quicker ....... at getting back anyway  :D
If he could only stay fit for more than a couple of games at a time, I think he is the better player of the two and should be first choice.
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Postby metalhead » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:47 pm

stmichael wrote:I thought Arbeloa was excellent yesterday.

He was solid, at times was a bit dodgy.
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:49 pm

metalhead wrote:
stmichael wrote:I thought Arbeloa was excellent yesterday.

He was solid, at times was a bit dodgy.

I think Metalhead is an Arbeloa basher  :p  :D
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Postby metalhead » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:24 pm

am not..

I just expect MORE from him.

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Postby Bam » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:26 pm

metalhead wrote:He was solid, at times was a bit dodgy.

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Postby metalhead » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:29 pm

hmm...maybe I am

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Postby Spartan1985 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:37 pm

Someone mentioned it earlier that aurelio should take corners and I agree. Infact our whole corner corner and dead ball situation needs to be looked at. I'm not sure of the stats but I don't seem to remember us scoring many goals at all from corners. Gerrard always takes them and to be honest I'd prefer to have him at the top of the box  ready for a knockdown to thump it in. I would think that with players like Aurelio and Alonso in the team, both players who seem capable of taking corners should be used as neither of them really present much of a threat recieving corner balls.

Same applies for dead balls, Gerrard takes the vast majority and his thunderous boot has its place but I think there are definetly times when using another players might be benificial. Think Alonso hitting the post against Chelsea, I'm sure if he took a few more free kicks we'd see him score a couple. Just a thought. :)
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:46 pm

While I think there is something to be said for Aurelio taking corners .... he does take a few.The problem is if he takes them from the right (inswinging) its a hell of a way for him to get back into position if the corner is cleared. Similarly with Alonso, while not as much of a  problem when partnered by Masch, he still has to recover his position and the temptation is rather than await the outcome of the corner (when it could be played back out to the wing) try to regain his position as soon as it has been delivered.
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Postby Spartan1985 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:53 pm

Its not just Gerrard taking corners that a problem its that we lack any realy goal scoring presence with them. If someone can provide stats to the contrary I'll happily eat my words. :D However I would think we'd have one of the lowest conversion rates for corners in the prem. Torres can score them, though after him the list dwindles somewhat. Hypiia is a goal scoring freak from corners but he doesn't see that much game time these days (nearly scored against Pompy!) and I feel that once his contract runs out he should be hired as the teams heading coach!
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