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[metalhead]

Hi friends from Liverpoll,

I writte from Spain, and I want to explain the last news that we have here.
The agreement between clubs is close , now is el niño who has to decide his future.
A thousand of atletico fans were sending mails to personal web of Fernando and the club for try to stop the transfer.
Yesterday a hundred of fans were calling to the atletico's office for cancel their suscriptions to next season if they transfer Fernando.
Today is avery sad day for us, we are going to lose to our flag, the most important player we have in last 20 years.
I hope to keep el niño with us, but if he has to go you have a new fan for Liverpool, me and a thousand of atleti supporters.
If you don't know Torres has written is his Captain's bracelet you'll never walk alone, and he has said several times that after atletico Liverpoos the his second team.

If Torres go with you i know that Torres will never walk alone.

Sorry for me english and Kind regards from spain

Hopefully he will be a success here, but don't you think one player doesn't make a team?

[flamingpoe]

init garcia is one of my fave liverpool from ova the last 4 years, and lb riise is doing the job at the mo and i am confident that we dont really need to mess around with that!, riise lets not forget is one of our more quality players in our side at the moment but we are trying to get heinze from manure for that job, but lets face it mr twatty ferguson probs wont let it happen because he knows if he sells one of his better defenders to a rival team and then they go on to win the league its gonna be rubbed in his face.........rightly so but hey we gotta be nice!

[fernando9torres]

Yes a team is not only none player, but is difficult to explain to you what is Torres in our Club, he is not only a very good player (we have others good players like Maxi) He is the heart of atleti.
I've seen Fernando seeing atletico lossins a game, to catch the ball and go ahead only with his heart. He is atletico from he was a child, I'he seen Fernando crying when we go to second division.
Problably you don´t know but we are the third team in Spain in history and now we are tryin to com back to our historic positions.
The loose of fernando is the worst new that we had.
If someone speak spanish see www.colchonero.com forum and you will see all i have wrotten

[NansPanofScouse]

I wish i paid attention in spanish lessons now

[flamingpoe]

fernando9torres he is the end of the world for you, your about to sign juan roman riquelme and diego forlan forlan might not be as good, but riquelme is the heart and soul of the argentine team, need more be said?!!? i would rather forlan and riquelme, over just torres, torres may be ur little upbrung player through the ranks, but your team needs quite a few new good players and your manager obv knows what he is doing with the signing of those 2, need i remind you that we were looking at forlan?!

[Emerald Red]

it says on BBC if garcia doesn't accept personal terms with atletico then torres deal will not collapse, comon garcia, dont accept 

That doesn't make any sense. Why would Garcia even be related to the deal in the first place if this were to be the case? So Luis would more or less be a charity bargain? No deal. I'd be p*ssed if that's the way the little Spaniard was being handled. You're going nowhere, Luis, and you know it, son!

[Reinas No.1 Fan]

Torres is a great player, massive fan favourate and captain of Athletico Madrid and has personally dragged them these last two years. I hope beond all doubt that now Liverpool have entered the "stupid money" transfer market, that is works out for us.

For that kind of money I expect a hell of a lot from Torres.

Ruud Van Horse Face cost £19mill for united and scored 1,000,000 goal for them, Dogpooh scored 30+ goals last season and cost £24mill, for £27mill I expect 20+ league goals a season and possible 30+ in total over the full season.

I want this deal to work, finally a player who can lead us from the front again and become a reliable and prolific goal scorer, im not having a go at Torres cos that would be silly but I hope the money matches the player. Only time will tell hey....

The roumor that Luis Garcia is going, I really hope that isnt true I really like him as a player, frustrating I know but still a damn good player.

Good luck and welcome to Liverpool Football Club, (if you sign that is)

[Bad Bob]

Torres is a great player, massive fan favourate and captain of Athletico Madrid and has personally dragged them these last two years. I hope beond all doubt that now Liverpool have entered the "stupid money" transfer market, that is works out for us.

For that kind of money I expect a hell of a lot from Torres.

Ruud Van Horse Face cost £19mill for united and scored 1,000,000 goal for them, Dogpooh scored 30+ goals last season and cost £24mill, for £27mill I expect 20+ league goals a season and possible 30+ in total over the full season.

I want this deal to work, finally a player who can lead us from the front again and become a reliable and prolific goal scorer, im not having a go at Torres cos that would be silly but I hope the money matches the player. Only time will tell hey....

The roumor that Luis Garcia is going, I really hope that isnt true I really like him as a player, frustrating I know but still a damn good player.

Good luck and welcome to Liverpool Football Club, (if you sign that is)

Two questions:

1) How long are you prepared to wait for Torres to score 20-30 goals for us? 

Keep in mind, Drogba scored 16 goals in his first two seasons with Chelsea in all competitions before notching 33 this year.  Point is, if you expect him to score that many straight away, you might be in for a frustrating season.  More importantly, if he doesn't score that many this season it doesn't mean he'll never do the business for us.

2) How often does the money ever truly match the player?

In the current transfer market--especially at the top end, where  we're talking the big names (and that would include Torres)--the  values placed on players are often grossly over-inflated.  Teams slap a huge price tag on their biggest players to discourage getting their stars poached and to give them the capital to buy an equally over-priced replacement should they in fact lose their star.  Point is, if you insist on evaluating Torres in relation to his transfer fee, you're again bound to be disappointed.  It may be wiser to chalk the fee up to the price of doing business these days and go about evaluating Torres entirely on what he contributes to the team, whether he cost 26.5 quid or 26.5 million quid.

[destro]

I'm not expecting him to be top scorer in the Premiership in his first season, truth be told I'm not really expecting him to top the charts at all. Although i would be made up if he did.

What i hope he will bring is someone to convert the chances in the scrappy 0-0 games going in to the final few minutes, one flash of brilliance,a great finish to a good build up, the kind of chances we have struggled to convert since Owen left.

I think its going to take him a while to settle and to build an understanding with Gerrard and Xabi, because looking at some of the goals hes scored he thrives on that weighted through ball, and in those two we have two of the best in the business when it comes to "eye of a needle" passes.

I think that Rafa has to stop with the rotation and for the money we are rumoured to be paying for him i think he will. He needs to play as much as possible not so much for what he cost us but because he needs to develop an understanding with the rest of the players around him.

If he does join us what do you think the front two will be for the majority of the games, Voronin, Kuyt,Crouch and if he stays which i doubt very much Bellamy, i would imagine it will be one of those with Torres but which one, or do you think the game and the opposition will decide  it?

[JoeTerp]

Well, the Tevez situation is even less clear.

We don't know what kind of deal WH has with Kia which we don't know what say, if any, WH has got.
Then there is the fee. No one knows really what it is.
Then we don't know if Kia prefers a loan or a sale and what a loan would cost.
Then there is what tevez prefer. Noone knows either.

And not once have Tevez or Liverpool been qouted saying anything about being interested.

Just a big ? on this one for now and will stay like that until copa america ends.

Becuase it is so unclear to everyone we have a HUGE advantage. We already got Mascherano, so Rafa and Parry should have a better understanding of this complex contract sitation than everyone else.  Maybe this link with Hienze is just to sweeten the Argentinian pot for Tevez.  However,  this deal for Torres might have priced us out.  However, I think there is still  some money in the kitty, and if combine that with the Garcia and Cisse money, plus money for selling Bellamy and we might just have enough, but that would ignore our need for wingers and cover at the back, but maybe one of our youth cup winners or Insua or El Zhar will step up.  Tevez proved last year that he can win games in the prem almost by himself, and that kind of ability is priceless.

[Bammo]

Assuming we get Torres, along with Kuyt and Crouch (if Bellamy goes) do we really need Tevez? He'd be a great addition but he could be brought in at the expense of world-class wingers.

What would everyone prefer...top class winger (Simao, Mancini etc) or Tevez?

[The Ace1983]

Reina's No. 1 Fan makes a good point which we have to remember should we land Torres. He has been carrying Atletico. If he can bag 15 a season for a poor team, he might get more for us. In Pennant we have one of the most successful long passers/crossers in the game, and the season before last he was No1, with Alonso and Hyypia after him. Crouch is designed for other strikers too. Then there's Gerrard and we could be seeing a high profile left winger coming in as well. I always say that we should not expect much from a player in his first season and it remains true, but if we can put the balls at his feet, he should do quite well. Hopefully, with us having a better team than the Rojiblancos, Torres should find himself with the ball in front of goal more often.

[metalhead]

Reina's No. 1 Fan makes a good point which we have to remember should we land Torres. He has been carrying Atletico. If he can bag 15 a season for a poor team, he might get more for us. In Pennant we have one of the most successful long passers/crossers in the game, and the season before last he was No1, with Alonso and Hyypia after him. Crouch is designed for other strikers too. Then there's Gerrard and we could be seeing a high profile left winger. I always say that we should not expect much from a player in his first season and it remains true, but if we can put the balls at his feet, he should do quite well. Hopefully, with us having a better team than the Rojiblancos, Torres should find himself with the ball in front of goal more often.

It also depends on the opposition don't you think? can he handle premiership defenders? You make a valid point, we have a good team who can help him score more than he did atletico.

I hope he will be a success here, lets see how he handles the premiership.

[The Ace1983]

Reina's No. 1 Fan makes a good point which we have to remember should we land Torres. He has been carrying Atletico. If he can bag 15 a season for a poor team, he might get more for us. In Pennant we have one of the most successful long passers/crossers in the game, and the season before last he was No1, with Alonso and Hyypia after him. Crouch is designed for other strikers too. Then there's Gerrard and we could be seeing a high profile left winger. I always say that we should not expect much from a player in his first season and it remains true, but if we can put the balls at his feet, he should do quite well. Hopefully, with us having a better team than the Rojiblancos, Torres should find himself with the ball in front of goal more often.

It also depends on the opposition don't you think? can he handle premiership defenders? You make a valid point, we have a good team who can help him score more than he did atletico.

I hope he will be a success here, lets see how he handles the premiership.

Tis true, tis true. But he's not exactly a featherweight. Ok, he's not what you might call a Mr Universe contestant, but he's got some strength. But the proof will be in the playing, and we shall have to wait and see.

[JoeTerp]

Assuming we get Torres, along with Kuyt and Crouch (if Bellamy goes) do we really need Tevez? He'd be a great addition but he could be brought in at the expense of world-class wingers.

What would everyone prefer...top class winger (Simao, Mancini etc) or Tevez?

I would prefer a winger to another striker if the Torres signing goes through and is 100% official signed papers press conference at Anfield. But when I made my original point, it was the fact that we are so close but not all the way commited (seemed like 80-85% chance at the time) puts us in a good bargaining position for Tevez, and personally I would rather have Tevez than Torres.  But now, it looks like the deal is 98% done that we have signed Torres so the point is mute, need to focus on wingers and or cover at the back