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[Bad Bob]

If we were sending Garcia in the other direction for £6m, i'd be a little less concerned - and i don't think we'll miss Luis in the league that much. His presence in the side cost us a lot of possession - and i think Rafa has sussed that while he can deliver in Europe, Luis doesn't have quite enough skill to crack the big teams in England.

Except when he scored the winner against Arsenal at Anfield the season before last and what should have been the equalizer (if not for Gerrard's back pass to Henry) at Highbury that same season.  He also scored the winner against Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi that year.  In short, it is a myth that Garcia only plays well in Europe.  He's served us well in the league and the domestic cups as well.

[El Nino_#9]

Reports this morning claimed the Spanish international was on the verge of sealing the move to the Premiership, but while this appears to be premature the La Liga club have admitted that the situation may change.

It has been suggested that Liverpool have struck a deal involved £20m and Luis Garcia, but the 23-year-old is still very much in the plans of Atletico ahead of the resumption of pre-season training in ten days time.

A club spokesperson said: "At the moment, there is nothing happening. There are no negotiations taking place, although things can change.

"The player is on holiday at the moment and will report back to training on July 9 for the Intertoto match (at the end of July).

"At the moment, any talk of a move is just speculation and we are still hopeful that Fernando will be with us next season."


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don't know what to make of this, probaly just trying to keep their fans happy for a little while longer

[Ade]

If we were sending Garcia in the other direction for £6m, i'd be a little less concerned - and i don't think we'll miss Luis in the league that much. His presence in the side cost us a lot of possession - and i think Rafa has sussed that while he can deliver in Europe, Luis doesn't have quite enough skill to crack the big teams in England.

Except when he scored the winner against Arsenal at Anfield the season before last and what should have been the equalizer (if not for Gerrard's back pass to Henry) at Highbury that same season.  He also scored the winner against Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi that year.  In short, it is a myth that Garcia only plays well in Europe.  He's served us well in the league and the domestic cups as well.

Not disputing the fact that he's got some key goals Bob - i've always acknowledged that. But over the course of a season, he's not been consistent enough to be the flair player we need, the Beardsley, Litmanen type that can play behind whoever we pick as 1st choice striker and consistently unpick tight defences. Or even not so tight defences.

I won't forget Luis's goals on the way to Istanbul, either, but I think we need to step it up a gear and not be thinking we have the flair we need to dominate teams and carve open chance after chance by having Luis in the team. IMO, he isn't up to it - he's a pale imitation of Beardsley, Litmanen. He's good enough for a Liverpool team who are happy coming third, maybe challenging for second, and having a good cup run. He's not good enough for a Liverpool team with serious hopes of challenging for the title.

And at this stage in his career, when he's admitted to being homesick, it's time to say thanks and adios.

[LittleHobo]

Darrent bent moves to spurs for 16.5 million

bent is unproven at international level, ok at club level against the poor teams

so on that basis is torres worth 25? i think so

14 goals in 36 games this season in the league

if he had scored a few say (16 in 36 nearly a goal every other game) people would class that as a great return

[Bad Bob]

If we were sending Garcia in the other direction for £6m, i'd be a little less concerned - and i don't think we'll miss Luis in the league that much. His presence in the side cost us a lot of possession - and i think Rafa has sussed that while he can deliver in Europe, Luis doesn't have quite enough skill to crack the big teams in England.

Except when he scored the winner against Arsenal at Anfield the season before last and what should have been the equalizer (if not for Gerrard's back pass to Henry) at Highbury that same season.  He also scored the winner against Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi that year.  In short, it is a myth that Garcia only plays well in Europe.  He's served us well in the league and the domestic cups as well.

Not disputing the fact that he's got some key goals Bob - i've always acknowledged that. But over the course of a season, he's not been consistent enough to be the flair player we need, the Beardsley, Litmanen type that can play behind whoever we pick as 1st choice striker and consistently unpick tight defences. Or even not so tight defences.

I won't forget Luis's goals on the way to Istanbul, either, but I think we need to step it up a gear and not be thinking we have the flair we need to dominate teams and carve open chance after chance by having Luis in the team. IMO, he isn't up to it - he's a pale imitation of Beardsley, Litmanen. He's good enough for a Liverpool team who are happy coming third, maybe challenging for second, and having a good cup run. He's not good enough for a Liverpool team with serious hopes of challenging for the title.

And at this stage in his career, when he's admitted to being homesick, it's time to say thanks and adios.

Fair enough, mate.  As I've just said in the Garcia thread, I think he'll get fewer and fewer chances for us as we bring in quality players like Torres and hopefully someone like Malouda/Mancini/Simao.  Little Luis has been called a luxury we can't afford in the past by some but I feel the opposite is true: we needed his flair in a team the past few years where skill and creativity on the ball were hard to find.  As we add skilled players with a bit more consistency and defensive nous, however, Garcia's impact will undoubtedly diminish.  I'll still be sad to see him leave whereas I think some of our chief competitors--particularly Chelsea--will be glad to see the back of him!

[Wilhelmsson]

Well if signing players like Benayoun only has been an hypothesis for some people, then this is another more optimistic hypothesis. It would mean that the new owners would frighten the other teams with both their economic and convincing abilities!

I don't think though we'll be bringing two big names upfront. The next step should be to strenghten the wings.

Yossi Benayoun is not a bad player, he’s talented enough, he has good attributes and would be decent signing as a fringe player. I’m not keen on signing fringe players when the main object of the task should be to strengthen the starting eleven, but that said I wouldn’t have any complaints about signing Benayoun.

You are of course right and I have probably opened up a more handsome can of worms (if that’s at all possible) with my ‘theory’, if it happens then great, I’ll be delighted, if it doesn’t, then it doesn’t.

Gillett and Hicks are billionaires; it doesn’t seem like they are when you look at Roman’s open wallet policy and Gillett and Hicks much tighter policy. Hicks spent around $125m on a single base ball player. So they do have financial clout and I’m sure they’ll exercise some of that muscle within the club over the coming years. After all speculation and articles around Fernando Torres, this does seem to be the case.

I’ll have to agree with you in regards to both points you have made regarding the likelihood of signing both Tevez and Torres and the need to strengthen the wings.

[The Ace1983]

£25 million + does sound like a lot of money, but look at the facts. If we go by our old structure, our record signing has been broken by Tottenham, our old budgets would have been outdone by West Ham and Pompey and our wages would not compete with any of the other top 4. Money isn't everything, but in football, unfortunatly, it tends to say quite a lot. We have to be competeing and in a couple of years, £20m will be seen as a bargain for a risk. I don't think Torres is a risk because if Rafa and Parry are willing to spend this sort of money on him and take this much time and care over the transfer, then we are going to be getting someone who they think is worth the money.
If things go the way they're going, in 10 years, players like Chimbonda, Taylor, Reo-coker and the rest of the leagues medicore/solid players will be going for a bit over £10million at least. This trasfer may seem big, but this is where our league is heading, like it or not.

[Wilhelmsson]

Darrent bent moves to spurs for 16.5 million

bent is unproven at international level, ok at club level against the poor teams

so on that basis is torres worth 25? i think so

14 goals in 36 games this season in the league

if he had scored a few say (16 in 36 nearly a goal every other game) people would class that as a great return

I’m struggling to accept the concept that Tottenham Hotspur have spent more on a single player than what we have in our entire history, even if this is about to change with the ‘possible’ arrival of Fernando Torres within the next week.

Bent’s transfer has nothing to do with him not being tested at International level or the fact he hasn’t won any accolades. He cost £16.5m because he is English. If a player is English, Brazilian or Argentinean, then the player will automatically be worth double than most other players from different nationalities. 

I’m not entirely sure if any player is worth a substantial sum of money in such a high region like Torres, however I guess that’s just the way football is going, more money is entering football than leaving, so I’m sure I’ll get used to it at some point.

The main concern on my part is losing money on players, I presume when Gillett and Hicks, convert their plans into concrete structures and foundations, they’ll be hoping Liverpool starts to generate it’s own revenue in order to become self sufficient.

If Rafa spends around £27m on a player and he fails to impress and Rafa then sells him for a loss of £12m, then doesn’t this under mind Gillett and Hicks idea’s and proposals? I am probably reading too much into things, but apart of me feels that Gillett and Hicks will fund the club up until a certain point, before introducing a free market approach with regards to our club’s revenue.

As for Torres not scoring in the twenty marks in La Liga, how many times did Owen score twenty league goals for Liverpool? IIRC he managed to do that once or twice.

Chelsea fans are loving the prospect of us spending so much money on one player; we’ll never hear the end of it.

[weringo]

I don't really rate Torres but I'm still very excited about this transfer, its about time we signed someone with a bit of a reputation. I hope we don't sell Garcia as I would love to see a Torres & Garcia partership as our main front two.

[The Ace1983]

I don't really rate Torres but I'm still very excited about this transfer, its about time we signed someone with a bit of a reputation. I hope we don't sell Garcia as I would love to see a Torres & Garcia partership as our main front two.

Because Morientes had no reputation, right?

[LittleHobo]

just think back to the world cup

torres was quality, if spain went the whole way he would have been player of the tournament

and i dont buy into the "well diouf was good at the world cup and look how he turned out"

diouf hadnt been tried and tested in a decent league, so at the world cup defenders gave him space and time cause of his reputation

[weringo]

I don't really rate Torres but I'm still very excited about this transfer, its about time we signed someone with a bit of a reputation. I hope we don't sell Garcia as I would love to see a Torres & Garcia partership as our main front two.

Because Morientes had no reputation, right?

Oh yeah! I tend to forget about him 

[LittleHobo]

I don't really rate Torres but I'm still very excited about this transfer, its about time we signed someone with a bit of a reputation. I hope we don't sell Garcia as I would love to see a Torres & Garcia partership as our main front two.

Because Morientes had no reputation, right?

Oh yeah! I tend to forget about him 

morientes was doomed to fail, same as shevchenko

older players, lacking the hunger, lacking the desire to do well in another country.....they already made their money and rep

morientes is doing well again because he is back in his comfort zone

[redmikey]

good news that we are now competing in the 30 mill bracket as last season we couldn't have dreamed of this sort of money for one player

i think torres will be a wait and see buy with at least a season to adapt

i hope people don't think just becauise of this lad we will be a far better team, as i agree with bad bob that wing play and creativity is some where we are going to be sadly lacking if garcia goes and kewell picks up a knock, we have no fair left side

fabio and jar are able to do a job on the left but i can see niether providing the killer pass week in week out

on the right will be the medias play thing again if gerrard is asked to do the more attacking role while covering finnan on the right , i don't like to say gerrard on the right as he is all over the shop when he starts out of the middle , but we lack width with him in that role but gain a bigger goal threat

right back we need a young player to try and put finnan under some pressure while not being to frustrated at not getting a game every week , i know we have arbeloa but i thought he was a left sided defender

my main point is where will the fair come from or the service to our 25 mill striker as cissie suffered from a different kind of service than what he was used to and struggled (mainly because he has a first touch like mine)

[Effes]

If we were sending Garcia in the other direction for £6m, i'd be a little less concerned - and i don't think we'll miss Luis in the league that much. His presence in the side cost us a lot of possession - and i think Rafa has sussed that while he can deliver in Europe, Luis doesn't have quite enough skill to crack the big teams in England.

Except when he scored the winner against Arsenal at Anfield the season before last and what should have been the equalizer (if not for Gerrard's back pass to Henry) at Highbury that same season.  He also scored the winner against Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi that year.  In short, it is a myth that Garcia only plays well in Europe.  He's served us well in the league and the domestic cups as well.

Not disputing the fact that he's got some key goals Bob - i've always acknowledged that. But over the course of a season, he's not been consistent enough to be the flair player we need, the Beardsley, Litmanen type that can play behind whoever we pick as 1st choice striker and consistently unpick tight defences. Or even not so tight defences.

I won't forget Luis's goals on the way to Istanbul, either, but I think we need to step it up a gear and not be thinking we have the flair we need to dominate teams and carve open chance after chance by having Luis in the team. IMO, he isn't up to it - he's a pale imitation of Beardsley, Litmanen. He's good enough for a Liverpool team who are happy coming third, maybe challenging for second, and having a good cup run. He's not good enough for a Liverpool team with serious hopes of challenging for the title.

And at this stage in his career, when he's admitted to being homesick, it's time to say thanks and adios.

Agree 100%