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[Igor Zidane]

Criticism for sure, but hate? I don't think so. Going by some of the comments made against Roy on here, though - that he is an "owl faced kunt" who needs to "f'uck off" and "keep his mouth shut" (etc.) - it would not be unreasonable to think that he's something of a hate figure. I never thought it would come to that, but it seems that sections of our support really aren't that different at all to the supporters of Newcastle or Chelsea. Through the wind and the rain.....apparently not

Does this not tell you the depth of feeling in our support towards the manager ? Do you not think that the vast majority of fans are screaming for this man to be sacked for a reason? I've never asked for a LFC manager to be sacked in my entire life and i'm sure the majority of LFC fans are the same. Everyone can see he is the wrong man for the job and everyone can see that we need him gone now. If that's like being like newcastle or chelsea fans then i'm sorry . We are flogging a dead horse at the minute and it needs to stop.

[Kharhaz]

Kop owners fail to shield Hodgson from fans fury

Liverpool owner John W Henry rattled Roy Hodgson with a warning shot about “unacceptable” results last night.

As Anfield militants peppered the club’s new American power brokers with calls to axe Hodgson, Henry provided his under-fire manager little shelter from the crossfire.

In a live phone-in on ­Liverpool’s in-house TV channel, Henry and chairman Tom Werner were left in little doubt about the grievances stacking up against their manager after Saturday’s derisory 3-1 defeat at Newcastle.

Hodgson had earlier acknowledged the ­chatroom rage by staging a long inquest into the shambles on Tyneside, which left the Reds with a pathetic five points from a possible 27 away from home this season.

Liverpool’s next four games – at home to his old club Fulham, away at Blackpool and an Anfield double header with Wolves and Bolton – will give Hodgson a chance to avert a full-blown crisis.

But Henry, the Boston Red Sox magnate who ousted hated cowboys Tom Hicks and George Gillett in a £300million takeover two months ago, offered only qualified support for Hodgson – and ominously spoke of handing Kop legend Kenny Dalglish a “more substantive role” at the club.

Henry said: “There’s no doubt about it that this season and the second half of last season was unacceptable for ­Liverpool, and we are in sync with the fans for what it’s going to take going forward.

“It doesn’t take a lot of time for the club to go downhill but it takes time to rebuild, and over the last two years there have been some short-term decisions which have really hurt the club.

“It’s up to us to turn the tide, but we are in it for the long term.

“We see this as an ­opportunity to return the club to where it was 20 years ago.

“Where we are at this point is not acceptable, but when I say rebuilding I mean building for the top of the table. That’s going to be really difficult to do this year and a real ­challenge next year as well.”

Of Dalglish, the club ­ambassador who enjoyed widespread support for a second spell in charge until Hodgson was appointed in the summer, Henry added: “We actually met a couple of times to talk about things.

“He needs to have a more substantive role within the club and that’s something we are working on with (director of football strategy) Damien Comolli.”

Werner said: “We had a lovely dinner with Kenny, his wife Marina and his son Paul – I understood about half of what he said, and I just nodded when I couldn’t understand.

“But we know what he means to this club, and we would be well-served with his spirit and tradition. We believe in what Roy is doing, and we certainly feel the performances have to improve.”


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Kop owners fail to shield Hodgson from fans fury

and at the end:

We believe in what Roy is doing

Is that a contradiction between headline and content? But then again its the mirror, so no biggy.

[glenbuck patriot]

Here's the easiest way in 384 pages of this thread, to judge whether or not the present incumbent is Good Enough to Manage this Glorious Team.

"Youtube" Bill Shankly, then "Youtube" Bob Paisley, after Watching around three hours of FOOTBALL, come back and still make argument's for the present CLOWN, never mind the Liberal's who'll no doubt say the "Game" was slower, anything to Protect ROY, But Remember 35 yrs ago Roy wasn't Winning any away matches either!

This is an LFC Fans perspective on how to play Football, it's EASY, maybe thats WHY we have a complete Sh1thead Managing the Team Right Now! Any G0bsh1te can Manage a Football Team, seems the only Industry in the World where Failure's are sought after!

[Kharhaz]

"youtube" Lucas and he is the best midfielder in the world.
"youtube" Babel, and so is he.
"youtube" Tomas Brolin, now there is an interesting one !

35 years ago we didnt have anything near the internet or "youtube", back then we had respect. Now we have Twitter, Facebook, Forums, Youtube etc..

[akumaface]

I don't think many have said that he hasn't done good for the club ROF, of course he did, he delivered one of the best nights in our history and we should be proud. We also saw some of our best football since a decade under him. However, he is massively overrated in terms of management ability.

What did you think of him when Rafa first joined and won us the European Championship? I thought tactically, he had shown in many occasions that he did out manage manyworld class manager. For the first few Season and even our second try at the European Champions final, many of our fans thought he was world class. And now, after couple of years, he is no longer world class. Why didn't you criticize him when we first won the champions league if you thought he wasnt' world class to begin with. Why beat the man when he is no longer here when his situatoin was untolerable with the ownership problem. You are asking us fans not to criticize Roy while you constantly stating Rafa is this and that. At least Rafa won us something and what had Roy done? You might argue if given the same amount of time, Roy can achieve the similar result but would you bet your life on it. We are making our judgement based on the observation from the pitch. YOu can see he doesn't have a clue on making any in game decision that had bought any positive result so far. Why we have to stick to someone who is not going to improve the ball club and let the fans and the club suffer from it. Again, many here had stated that we can take Kenny as an interim until the end of the season before we decide on a new manager. This is where I don't get it as to why we have to stick with Roy when we have options. But people here refuse to see that. You have to understand this is a business. Results speaks volume and it doesn't matter who is at helm. if we have Hiddink and the result is the same as Roy, I would ask him to be booted as well. There is nothing personal against Roy. Try not to argue with argue sake. Give me some fact as to why we should stick with Roy.

[stmichael]

we are one point ahead of blackburn who have just sacked their manager.

[jacdaniel]

Roy is struggling badly to reach the lows of Rafa's lowest.
And we no longer have some of the worst owners in PL history. 

A team with players like Gerrard, Reina, Torres, Maxi, Cole, meirles should not be desperately struggling to stay in the top half of the table.

Get him out now while the damage is repairable.

[rocky29]

Roy is struggling badly to reach the lows of Rafa's lowest.
And we no longer have some of the worst owners in PL history. 

A team with players like Gerrard, Reina, Torres, Maxi, Cole, meirles should not be desperately struggling to stay in the top half of the table.

Get him out now while the damage is repairable.

absolute rubbish hes doing far better than i expected with the total dross of a squad that rafa had left him. Judge him at the end of the season where i expect we will finish no lower than 5th whereas rafa will be unemployed and unemployable after making such a mess of a great squad in italy.

[Ciggy]

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IF Liverpool had the same away record as Blackpool we would be level on points with Chelsea. How galling, frustrating and embarrassing is that?

Blackpool have picked up 14 points on their travels already this season, while we’ve only managed a woeful five. That puts into perspective how bad we’ve been.

It’s not really much to ask to expect us to do as well away as a newly promoted club like Blackpool, is it?

You can moan about the strength of Roy Hodgson’s squad but it’s not just about that. After all we’ve got a lot more quality than Blackpool.

It goes much deeper than that. The reason Blackpool have gone to places like Newcastle and Stoke and picked up maximum points is because they have a real go and try to win games.

In contrast the lack of belief and the lack of character when Liverpool play away is just a joke. I’m sick and tired of going on about it.

Just look at our goal difference. We’ve played 17 games and it’s minus one.

Hand on heart as a Liverpool fan I can’t see us getting back in the Champions League this season. We’re not going to finish in the top four.

I see this season now as being a learning process. We need to try to salvage something from it to take into the next campaign. A trip to the Europa League final in Dublin would be nice.

If you can’t even do the basics right then you’ve got no chance of winning games and that was the case at Newcastle on Saturday.

[metalhead]

I don't think many have said that he hasn't done good for the club ROF, of course he did, he delivered one of the best nights in our history and we should be proud. We also saw some of our best football since a decade under him. However, he is massively overrated in terms of management ability.

What did you think of him when Rafa first joined and won us the European Championship? I thought tactically, he had shown in many occasions that he did out manage manyworld class manager. For the first few Season and even our second try at the European Champions final, many of our fans thought he was world class. And now, after couple of years, he is no longer world class. Why didn't you criticize him when we first won the champions league if you thought he wasnt' world class to begin with. Why beat the man when he is no longer here when his situatoin was untolerable with the ownership problem. You are asking us fans not to criticize Roy while you constantly stating Rafa is this and that. At least Rafa won us something and what had Roy done? You might argue if given the same amount of time, Roy can achieve the similar result but would you bet your life on it. We are making our judgement based on the observation from the pitch. YOu can see he doesn't have a clue on making any in game decision that had bought any positive result so far. Why we have to stick to someone who is not going to improve the ball club and let the fans and the club suffer from it. Again, many here had stated that we can take Kenny as an interim until the end of the season before we decide on a new manager. This is where I don't get it as to why we have to stick with Roy when we have options. But people here refuse to see that. You have to understand this is a business. Results speaks volume and it doesn't matter who is at helm. if we have Hiddink and the result is the same as Roy, I would ask him to be booted as well. There is nothing personal against Roy. Try not to argue with argue sake. Give me some fact as to why we should stick with Roy.

I was over the moon when he joined, what he did in Valencia was fantastic and I hoped he would keep a level of consistency when he joined. He is a top class tactician, no doubt about it, but when it comes to management and transfer market he isn't as good as people make him out to be. I never thought he was World Class to begin with, he was still 44 yrs at the time he joined and has plenty of time to stamp himself as one the best managers in the world. However, he hasn't been up to standard since the Valencia days, and he didn't spend a lot of money in Valencia too! To class him as up there with the world greatest coaches? no not yet, not close, needs to do a Mourinho. I always liked Rafa, a gentleman.

[Ben Patrick]

I havent seen anything wrong with Igors posts.
He is worried about where the club is going under the manager and thinks we need a change.
he isnt calling him an owl faced cnt or anything like that, just genuinely noting his concerns.

I am in the same boat tbh, i cant see the away form improving.
Newcastle should have been there for the taking but we again sat far too deep and allowed them the lions share of posession.

[Thommo's perm]

I don't think many have said that he hasn't done good for the club ROF, of course he did, he delivered one of the best nights in our history and we should be proud. We also saw some of our best football since a decade under him. However, he is massively overrated in terms of management ability.

You're obviously not going to change your opinion, and I won't alter mine. To me, Rafa is a quality manager who I would welcome back here with open arms. You wouldn't, and that's what opinions are all about. 

You make a good argument and if Im honest you did tug at my hearts strings. But although I have respect for Benitez as a man I am afraid he has lost it as a manager. It wasnt just last season, and if you look at Inter, its this season for him as well. No matter how many excuses people make for him there is one undeniable FACT. He had (and some would say still has) lost the plot. It happens to winning managers sometimes. They lose all sense of reality and dont listen to what they see as dissenting voices, even if they are giving good advice.
I dont want to slag Rafa off as I have great memories of Istanbul. But it wouldnt bother me if I didnt discuss him for a couple of years. If only to say that he brought us some joy while he was here and leave the negatives behind.
He has gone and for all his faults I will always look at the positives and say best of luck and bon voyage for that night in May 2005.
Thanks Rafa, adios

[stmichael]

absolute rubbish hes doing far better than i expected with the total dross of a squad that rafa had left him. Judge him at the end of the season where i expect we will finish no lower than 5th whereas rafa will be unemployed and unemployable after making such a mess of a great squad in italy.

so losing 7 league games out 17 and getting dumped out of the league cup at home by northampton is doing "better than you expected"? bloody hell your expectations must have been really high at the start of the season.

[Thommo's perm]

absolute rubbish hes doing far better than i expected with the total dross of a squad that rafa had left him. Judge him at the end of the season where i expect we will finish no lower than 5th whereas rafa will be unemployed and unemployable after making such a mess of a great squad in italy.

so losing 7 league games out 17 and getting dumped out of the league cup at home by northampton is doing "better than you expected"? bloody hell your expectations must have been really high at the start of the season.

I think it depends on how much sh'it you think the club was in when Hogson took over as to whether or not hes surpassed or even reached expectations. It depends on what your expectations were for a club that was in meltdown, turmoil and on the brink of disaster.
If you thought this is the way we were in the summer and feared for our very existence then you may well think Hodgson has done well getting us up to 9th and possibly breaking into the top 6 through Christmas.
If however you believe we werent that bad, it was a blip and Roy had taken over a decent squad which just needed tweaking, then you will obviously think he has under achieved.
Where you finish often depends on where you start

[rocky29]

absolute rubbish hes doing far better than i expected with the total dross of a squad that rafa had left him. Judge him at the end of the season where i expect we will finish no lower than 5th whereas rafa will be unemployed and unemployable after making such a mess of a great squad in italy.

so losing 7 league games out 17 and getting dumped out of the league cup at home by northampton is doing "better than you expected"? bloody hell your expectations must have been really high at the start of the season.

ye i did with losing mash and aqua torres not right in the head and body and the rest of the average squad that rafa had left us with i honestly thought  we would be struggling even more than we are.