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[taff]

What an absolutely bizarre situation. We've played 8 matches, and we've lost one which just happened to be Away to Man City who spent 100 million quid in the Summer. We've won four out of four European ties, including Home and Away games against a Turkish team who are notoriously tricky. We've won a very winnable game at Home in the league, drawn with Arsenal despite having ten men, and drawn Away at Birmingham who are unbeaten at Home for a year.

But we aren't playing well, what a shame. People are launching their toys out of the pram with a vengeance, spitting their dummies as far as they can project them, and all because we aren't playing well. We've got a tricky game at Man Utd at the weekend. What next, sack the manager if we don't win 3-0

  Peoples true colours are well and truly shining through if I can quote Cindy Lauper for a second (it's not every day you can do that), and it's a real shame. I never thought I'd see the day when Liverpool supporters would round on a manager after four league matches, regardless of what they thought about his predecessor (and PLEASE don't give me the "but it's nothing to do with Rafa" line, it's frankly embarrassing to read) I'm just saddened to read it.

I always thought our fan base was different. How wrong I was .

Whos rounding him up?

No ones calling for him to be sacked after 4 games or have I missed something?
People are frustrated because we look the same from when Rafa left(only we are making less chances),its like watching the same sh'it,no adventure,too static,cautious....people wanted change,so far it looks like we aint gonna get it but he's a smart man and I think he'll get there.He deserves time.....but its fine to say we are playing sh'it cause we are!Apart from the Arsenal game when I should mention we were fantastic we have been terrible,absolutely dire.......theres no running away from it!

So we blame the manager cause he is responsible.....like we will praise him if he beats UTD at the weekend!

I dont see anyone calling for his head,but I see yourself with a strange belief in him..why?I dont know.....Maybe you'd better hold off until at least the season is over FFS you talk about him at times as if hes a world beater....the jurys out,he's a lot to prove!

Barry you've been fairly sensible about the whole thing, and fair enough. I'm not denying we're playing sh!t, we are, but the issue is surely what it is reasonable to expect from the manager after only a few matches.

I wouldn't have played Lucas on Sunday, nor would I have played Maxi Rodriguez if I could think of an alternative. Neither are anywhere near good enough, we all know that. Also I rate Agger higher than Skyrtel, but think that the injury Konchesky was carrying possibly explains that one. Like you I'd like to see us being more expansive, and since I've seen us play once under Roy I've said I'd like to press the ball higher up.

All of which is fair enough, as is any criticism of the manager. There is difference however between criticism based on sensible football points and some of the nah-nah-nahnah silliness that Benny and his mates are engaging in. It is quite obviously based around an "I told you so" agenda (although what they told us I'm not entirely sure TBH) and is sad to see. Equally, their "nobody is saying sack the manager" is very hollow when you consider that most of their number have already declared Roy to be beneath the required standard, have taken the p!ss out of all things to do with him, and are positively clamouring at the bit to get digs in about him, accurate or not.

If they and their cohorts on Rawk manage to drum up enough support  to drive Roy Hodgson out of the club they will be happy as feck, we all know that. It's a shame to see but that is the reality.

Well Mick I know its early days but if he keeps setting the team out the way he has done so far he will be making a rod for his own back!I am not aware of any campaign to oust our manager but if such exists,I'm ashamed of my fellow fans...the guy deserves a chance.

I know no one will admit it but even Rafas biggest fans were tired of his defence minded football....of that I am sure.
We want change,we want a team that play to win first and foremost not damage limitation...we had enough of that under Rafa..

I hate to compare us against our rivals but if you look at us when approaching the final 3rd under Roys system we have maybe one player making a run,not enough players finding space...look at UTD ffs they have numerous options every time they go forward...they wanna score,we are more worried about a counter attack than committing men forward.You dont win games by not being caught out...you need the ball in the net and you need men up there to do it...not an isolated striker with at least 2 defenders on him and no support near him.

Roy has been too negative,its not an opinion its a fact and simply he needs to change it.....grow a set and go for it Roy!

Excellent post.  I dont want to see him sacked or it even being discussed but as  a LFC fan I want us to play a lot better.  That applies to Rafa Hodgson, Houllier, Evans, Souness even Kenny.

But theres no way I can say that about Joe or Sir Bob 

And Shanks, well nobody is mad enough to criticise him surely

[Cool Hand Luke]

Games 1 – 5: Arsenal (H), Man City (A), WBA (H), Birmingham (A) and Man Utd (H)

Games 6-10: Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H) and Bolton (A)

There is no doubt that Roy was handed a real tough start to the league campaign but after the Man Utd game he has the opportunity to pick up some wins and I would hope that we can win 4 of those 5.

[maypaxvobiscum]

im more disappointed with the players then the manager. on paper, considering the number of international players we've got, we shouldnt have had an issue with Birmingham. but yet, it was their players who were playing out of their skin with something to prove, and not ours. having said that.....


Barry Ferguson> Lucas.

[bunglemark2]

im more disappointed with the players then the manager. on paper, considering the number of international players we've got, we shouldnt have had an issue with Birmingham. but yet, it was their players who were playing out of their skin with something to prove, and not ours. having said that.....


Barry Ferguson> Lucas.

Well said. Maybe they'll put it down to an international week hangover....imo, that's pure ar$e !
We have better players than Birmingham. Yet they outplayed, outthought and outfought us all over the pitch.
To an earlier post who said Roy should grow a pair of cojones - I suggest the 11 (well 10, excl. Reina) should have a good feel round the groin area and check if they DO in fact have gonads !

[In and Out]

No one has demanded he is sacked or anything of the sort , yes he has been here a short time but people have been saying he is vastly experienced manager and knows the prem and English game well so I'm sure people were expecting things to improve - surely that's why he got the job , he will be given time but that doesnt mean people can't be critical or highlight areas where they believe he is going wrong or areas they believe he got it wrong .

It took Fergie seven yrs to do anything with Man.Ure and Wenger hasn't won nowt for a while, yet somehow Roy is supposed to have surpassed these fella's and Rafa's record after 4 games.

We have a s.hit fan base real colours of 'supposedly' real fans are glowing blindingly.

So what you're saying then, is that Rafa wasn't given enough time?

Oh, you do make me laugh, you silly little hypocritical vagina.

See ya Lando, you may as well join an Inter forum now. 

[Benny The Noon]

im more disappointed with the players then the manager. on paper, considering the number of international players we've got, we shouldnt have had an issue with Birmingham. but yet, it was their players who were playing out of their skin with something to prove, and not ours. having said that.....


Barry Ferguson> Lucas.

Well said. Maybe they'll put it down to an international week hangover....imo, that's pure ar$e !
We have better players than Birmingham. Yet they outplayed, outthought and outfought us all over the pitch.
To an earlier post who said Roy should grow a pair of cojones - I suggest the 11 (well 10, excl. Reina) should have a good feel round the groin area and check if they DO in fact have gonads !

I think the only person who is safe from any criticism is Pepe - the rest including manager need to up their game - collective responsibilty - even if we don't get a result against the mancs let's at least see some effort, heart , passion , energy and some sort of performance that can get some confidence and instill a little belief - go at them , press them high , chase them hard , make them work

[Igor Zidane]

Nah i was gonna write a big f.uck off post there ,but i'll give it a miss.
Double standards from the re-writers of history is all i'll say . Obviously this manager is beyong critisism . Sack Rafa remember from the most staunch of royapologists.

[Benny The Noon]

Who sais sack the manager ?

No one Igor but we apparently all secretly want him to be sacked so we can celebrate and say " I told you so " - no one saying " sack Hodgson " is a hollow statement apparently

[In and Out]

Shock horror, supposedly best fans in the land turn into Geordie fans overnight and want the new manager culled already.

[Igor Zidane]

Shock horror, supposedly best fans in the land turn into Geordie fans overnight and want the new manager culled already.

Who ?

[Benny The Noon]

Shock horror, supposedly best fans in the land turn into Geordie fans overnight and want the new manager culled already.

Who exactly wants manager culled - would be nice is one of the people who keep saying this will actually name who is saying he should be sacked .

[bigmick]

I think anyone suggesting we go to Old Trafford and "go at them" wants their heads feeling, that or they're on a wind-up. Nobody I don't think is suggesting that we are playing particularly well right now, pretty much everyone would like us to set up with more ambition (this has been the case for years in fairness), but you don't go to Old Trafford and "go at them" choose whoever you are.

My guess is that with Cole being back on the scene, Roy might well start the game in a similar vein to the way we finished against Birmingham. That's to say Gerrard dropped into central midfield, Mereiles poked up to roam a bit free, and Cole to replace the hapless Maxi Rodriguez down the right.

If he does that, he'' instantly replace both the players who were the principal reason for our being bettered by Birmingham, and I think we'll look a better side. Like most I'd go with Agger or even the Greek in front of Skyrtel, but perhaps Skyrtel doesn't ball watch in training so Roy hasn't seen it enough times yet. He did it enough times against Brum IMHO to make the managers mind up, but we'll see.

Whichever way you look at it though, it's going to be extremely difficult to get anything from the game. They are a better team than they were last season, and we haven't improved any so far.

[In and Out]

Nah i was gonna write a big f.uck off post there ,but i'll give it a miss.
Double standards from the re-writers of history is all i'll say . Obviously this manager is beyong critisism . Sack Rafa remember from the most staunch of royapologists.

Dn't bother trying to write a decent post it gets lost amongst the s.*i*e on here. I still see Benny's on the computer, sad g.it, I remeber Saint getting stick for that.

Double standards doublke standards,

Roy should of brought a striker blah blah blah

Rafa brought Keane, when he failed miserably it was Parry or Cecil, one of the two signed him, his hands are tied behind his back.

Even if we were to bat ManUre they'd still be saddos moaning about it, how ironic it is that people who made out they back their managers at LFC (last season only though) want him gone already.

t.osspots.

[Benny The Noon]

So now I'm on a wind up for wanting us to actually attack against the mancs and not sit deep and park a bus , I'm on a wind up for wanting us to go at them and create chances - will I also be on a wind up if I say I want them to go beat them on their own patch - Christ whatever next

[Thommo's perm]

Who sais sack the manager ?

No one Igor but we apparently all secretly want him to be sacked so we can celebrate and say " I told you so " - no one saying " sack Hodgson " is a hollow statement apparently

Sh'ite, incapable, not up to the job, not won anything major, useless, boring, small minded, out of his league. Pick any of those or use any of your own and that is basically what you think of our manager.
Oh but you dont want him sacked. You just dont think he should have got the job in the first place.