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It beggers belief that there are certain individuals that continue to defend FSG after everything they have pulled over the last decade.

The fact that they refused to spend any money beyond a CB this transfer window doesn't really surprise any of us, as we know exactly what they are about and ain't winning trophies.

Also to hear the tired old argument that we either subscribe to a frugal model or face financial oblivion is beyond ridiculous, knowing that we are all crying out for something a bit more balance.

I'm really hoping these parasites pull another ESL comedy act this season, so the club supporter base can galvanise itself to booting these f**kers out once and for all, just like we did with the previous t.wat.s

[Penguins]

Just wait for another 3-4 years when all the stars are 33-35 and inadequate money has been reinvested into the squad....
American people are all about short termism and the greens. ALL they ever care about.
Wouldn't surprise me if they dump the club after Klopp leaves and the clubs starts going south....

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Just wait for another 3-4 years when all the stars are 33-35 and inadequate money has been reinvested into the squad....
American people are all about short termism and the greens. ALL they ever care about.
Wouldn't surprise me if they dump the club after Klopp leaves and the clubs starts going south....

Are we not going to buy any players over the next 3/4 year then

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

It beggers belief that there are certain individuals that continue to defend FSG after everything they have pulled over the last decade.

The fact that they refused to spend any money beyond a CB this transfer window doesn't really surprise any of us, as we know exactly what they are about and ain't winning trophies.

Also to hear the tired old argument that we either subscribe to a frugal model or face financial oblivion is beyond ridiculous, knowing that we are all crying out for something a bit more balance.

I'm really hoping these parasites pull another ESL comedy act this season, so the club supporter base can galvanise itself to booting these f**kers out once and for all, just like we did with the previous t.wat.s

How exactly do you think they will be able to be “booted” out ?


They own the club and it’s run sensibly- someone tried to organise a protest last Saturday and guess what , it bombed because fans aren’t that pathetic to protest about owners and the transfer window

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

It's been a depressing window once again. We are not strong enough as a squad and 1 or 2 big injuries and we are screwed again. Not only that.. all our rivals have improved so it'll be even harder than last season.

We struggled to score goals in big games last season.. we looked lost and had no plan b to teams parking the bus. We needed a lift this transfer window, something to get excited about.. and we've once again been let down.

We have become predictable as a team.

Our owners aren't here to win the premier league, they've already shown they are not interested in it by trying to turn it into an irrelevance, they are clearly here because they want to resurrect that ESL thing. They already told us flat out that their profit is more important than anything including the good of the game. Got to admire them for their honesty I suppose. Doesn't mean we have to want them as owners though.

1. We won the title 12 months ago so for someone that’s not interested in winning the title that was a feat


2. The ESL was to replace the CL - just like the other incarnations of the European Super Leagues - it wasn’t to replace the Premier League or the club to leave the Premier League

3. When did they say “profit was more important than the good of the game” ?!



Do you have the same reaction when the clubs left the football league to form the Premier League to help ensure that the clubs had more money ?

[devaney]

For gods sake lads some of you are sounding like a bunch of spoiled brats. I don’t know why you don’t go and support Man United. They invest a veritable fortune and win absolutely nothing but at least you would be happy !! Some of you are so fkg fickle it’s embarrassing. Let’s give the season a chance. By the way some of you are talking you’d think we are in a relegation battle !!

Eds you contribute fk all on this forum. You pop up like a bad fkg penny because you are so desperate to try and prove your ridiculous points about the owners. Suggest you stick to Ausie rules or cricket and fk off.

[UvS xR4GEx]

Last season showed so many holes in our squad.. We had a couple of injuries at the back, we didn't react in January and with the biggest stroke of luck ever we managed to scrape into the top 4.

Last season also showed our front 3 are aging and not the force they were 2 season previous. The confidence was draining week after week.. teams had studied and knew how to neutralise them. Let's be honest Mane is gonna square up a defender running slow, then he's gonna explode and knock it past him?

Salah is gonna run down the right, slow the defender down.. then cut in on his Left?

So much pressure was on this 3 to pull us out of the mud last season and they were struggling really bad... and I saw the same thing vs Chelsea completely lost of ideas.

We lost Gini this window also who more aless played every game last season...

We wasn't wanting to spend £150m on a superstar. But players were out there for £30/40 million that would have massively improved our squad.

Aouor was available for £25m he would have added creativity to our midfield.

Camavinga was also available for £35m he would have added quality to our midfield.. Madrid picked him up the last day after they failed for Mbappe.

Saul Niguez another one available for £30m that would improve our midfield. Chelsea picked him up for a £5m loan with option to buy.

Rennes needed money and had to sell this window.. why not test them for Doku? He looked like a young Mane during the Euros.


I understand the club model on how to be run.. but we've stood still for too long and let our rivals catch us up.

[Penguins]

Ok, let's see in 5 years where the club is then shall we?
And then when the club is the new Arsenal I'll bet all the "FSG lawyers" will either:

A. Live under a rock and ignore the forum so they can ignore reality
B. Say something like: "Who could had forseen that? Let's support the owners and team now"

Absolute joke....

The team won 99% thanks to Klopp and nothing else. He took an 8 million player and got 140 million for him which helped the club massivly.
NOTHING to do with the owners who would never have provided the funds for VVD, Alisson etc

[Penguins]

It's one of the most basic rules in football.
YOU ALWAYS STRENGTHEN TO STAY AT THE TOP.

YOU NEVER REST ON YOU LAURELS.
The team grows stale, old, very little competiton for places and most players are sure of their spot.
Spells disaster with no hunger in the squad

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Ok, let's see in 5 years where the club is then shall we?
And then when the club is the new Arsenal I'll bet all the "FSG lawyers" will either:

A. Live under a rock and ignore the forum so they can ignore reality
B. Say something like: "Who could had forseen that? Let's support the owners and team now"

Absolute joke....

The team won 99% thanks to Klopp and nothing else. He took an 8 million player and got 140 million for him which helped the club massivly.
NOTHING to do with the owners who would never have provided the funds for VVD, Alisson etc

So Coutinho did nothing until Klopp arrived ?


Did we not bid for VVD in the summer before Coutinho ?


And what about the £400mil other odd signings under Klopp or the £850mil worth of signings under the owners since they arrived ?


And a manager can’t do everything on his own


Can you recall the player Klopp wanted as opposed to Salah ?

[Penguins]

It's been a depressing window once again. We are not strong enough as a squad and 1 or 2 big injuries and we are screwed again. Not only that.. all our rivals have improved so it'll be even harder than last season.

We struggled to score goals in big games last season.. we looked lost and had no plan b to teams parking the bus. We needed a lift this transfer window, something to get excited about.. and we've once again been let down.

We have become predictable as a team.

Our owners aren't here to win the premier league, they've already shown they are not interested in it by trying to turn it into an irrelevance, they are clearly here because they want to resurrect that ESL thing. They already told us flat out that their profit is more important than anything including the good of the game. Got to admire them for their honesty I suppose. Doesn't mean we have to want them as owners though.

1. We won the title 12 months ago so for someone that’s not interested in winning the title that was a feat


2. The ESL was to replace the CL - just like the other incarnations of the European Super Leagues - it wasn’t to replace the Premier League or the club to leave the Premier League

3. When did they say “profit was more important than the good of the game” ?!



Do you have the same reaction when the clubs left the football league to form the Premier League to help ensure that the clubs had more money ?

How disingenuous can you be to compare the Pl to thier americans ESL?
It's not even close to what they were trying to do.
They wanted to rip away all the elements that had existed within fotball for centuries.
Promotion, relegation, the elation of getting to a competions, the chance for all clubs to make it.
But these frauds wanted to create a closed league with guarenteed money and the same teams making it every year.

I am sure you'll say the same in 5 years when we haven't won the league in that time.... it's obvious what ycsa meant when he said that the owners aren't interested in winning if you can manage to read between the lines...
The owners priorites are OBVIOUS
1. Money
2. Money
3. money
4. Well, if we happen to win that's fine too. As long as there is money...

[Penguins]

Ok, let's see in 5 years where the club is then shall we?
And then when the club is the new Arsenal I'll bet all the "FSG lawyers" will either:

A. Live under a rock and ignore the forum so they can ignore reality
B. Say something like: "Who could had forseen that? Let's support the owners and team now"

Absolute joke....

The team won 99% thanks to Klopp and nothing else. He took an 8 million player and got 140 million for him which helped the club massivly.
NOTHING to do with the owners who would never have provided the funds for VVD, Alisson etc

So Coutinho did nothing until Klopp arrived ?


Did we not bid for VVD in the summer before Coutinho ?


And what about the £400mil other odd signings under Klopp or the £850mil worth of signings under the owners since they arrived ?


And a manager can’t do everything on his own


Can you recall the player Klopp wanted as opposed to Salah ?

Coutinho would NEVER have gotten that bid from Barca without Klopp. He elevated his play to another level.
For the past 5 years the clubs net spend has been a paltry 134 million. That is LESS THAN 30 MILLION PER SEASON.
Are you f...ing serious? That is less than all the other top 5 teams and they've spent between 250 and 480 million.
How is that sustainable to be competetive?

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

In regards the ESL was there not going to an increase of teams being able to qualify through their current league


And have you seen the changes to the current CL - have you seen the “historic” rules they are putting in where long standing clubs can still be in the CL despite not being in the Top 4 ? So it becomes a closed comp with the big teams being in it.


Have you not seen the impact of the premier league to clubs below ? Do you think it’s helped them ?

All the owners jumped into it because they didn’t want to be left behind

Yes the owners want to bring more money into the club for the club to be able to compete with the oil clubs ? Is the whole reason why the commercial income has increased


And why won’t we win the league again in the next 5 years ? The team is good enough to do it

[Lallana in Pyjamas]

Ok, let's see in 5 years where the club is then shall we?
And then when the club is the new Arsenal I'll bet all the "FSG lawyers" will either:

A. Live under a rock and ignore the forum so they can ignore reality
B. Say something like: "Who could had forseen that? Let's support the owners and team now"

Absolute joke....

The team won 99% thanks to Klopp and nothing else. He took an 8 million player and got 140 million for him which helped the club massivly.
NOTHING to do with the owners who would never have provided the funds for VVD, Alisson etc

So Coutinho did nothing until Klopp arrived ?


Did we not bid for VVD in the summer before Coutinho ?


And what about the £400mil other odd signings under Klopp or the £850mil worth of signings under the owners since they arrived ?


And a manager can’t do everything on his own


Can you recall the player Klopp wanted as opposed to Salah ?

Coutinho would NEVER have gotten that bid from Barca without Klopp. He elevated his play to another level.
For the past 5 years the clubs net spend has been a paltry 134 million. That is LESS THAN 30 MILLION PER SEASON.
Are you f...ing serious? That is less than all the other top 5 teams and they've spent between 250 and 480 million.
How is that sustainable to be competetive?

How many leagues and CL have the likes of Arsenal , Utd and Spurs won with more spending ?

What difference does net spend make ? It’s goinf to be low for a club that is self sustaining


Does it make the £550mil any less valid


Does it mean the players bought in that period are not good enough


Allison
Robbo
VVD
Matip
Konate
Fabinho
Thiago
Ox
Keita
Salah
Mane
Jota
Elliot
Kostas


All players bought under that net spend ?!

Is that all you care about - the amount of money spent as opposed to the players bought ?

[Penguins]

In regards the ESL was there not going to an increase of teams being able to qualify through their current league


And have you seen the changes to the current CL - have you seen the “historic” rules they are putting in where long standing clubs can still be in the CL despite not being in the Top 4 ? So it becomes a closed comp with the big teams being in it.


Have you not seen the impact of the premier league to clubs below ? Do you think it’s helped them ?

All the owners jumped into it because they didn’t want to be left behind

Yes the owners want to bring more money into the club for the club to be able to compete with the oil clubs ? Is the whole reason why the commercial income has increased


And why won’t we win the league again in the next 5 years ? The team is good enough to do it

Am I saying the chages over the years to the PL, CL etc have been for the good of the sport. NO
What I am saying is that is still kept some semblence of the spirt of the game intact. You could still have a Leicester winning the league, or a Porto winning the CL. "Miracles" were possible and smaller clubs still
got HUGE help from the system that existed. Not enough but still there was a pyramid.
With the ESL there would no longer be a pyramid, no longer a chance miracles would happen. IN FSG's world that wanted secure profits and revenues, and that was paramount, the rest secondary....