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[115-1073096938]

At 20 years old he was probably the best in the world, easily top two.

Stu, you constantly try to take the higher ground with other forum members but it's comments like this that prove how little you really know about the beutiful game.

As good as he is he's never been close to the best in the world.

Oh Stu, if only you really were the all knowing sage you portray yourself to be!!

Oh is that right? Just out of curiousity, where were you then the year he won the european player of the year?

[SouthCoastShankly]

Hopefully Owen will return, he'll puts so many strikers to shame. He has never failed to deliver goals in every club he has played for.

I'll be interested in seeing whether that rumour of Liverpool having first choice to buy if Newcastle don't make europe?

[48-1119859832]

I hope Owen doesn't return, as much as I thank him for what he did in his time with Liverpool his days here are finished, well I hope they are. I don't want to open the morning newspaper to find him in a Liverpool shirt.

My reasons are simple, I just can't forgive Owen for not giving Benitez a chance and leaving a few days before the start of the season campaign and not giving Benitez anytime to find a replacement. And the fact he didn't call Madrids bluff like Morientes did and joint the first team which came in for him, which as we all know was Newcastle.

As good as Owen still is, I think we got the best we're ever going to get out of Owen. Owen's pace has slowed down a lot and he is going through a period of time in his career where is being hampered by injuries. I admit he's still a great finisher and probably always will be, however I just can't see him being worth £12million. I think it would be a bad investment of our money.

People comment on Owen like he's a 20 - 30 goals a season striker when he simply isn't. In fact I dont even think he has scored 20 goals in any given season. Although you could argue my point by saying how many goals he has scored with Newcastle.

There's also the fact that he's shitted on Liverpool twice. So for that reason alone I don't want Owen back.

[Red Red Tom]

League goals are important of course, and they are something Owen has never scored more than 20 of in a season, but he has scored 20-25 goals in all competitions, and to be honest you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who could offer us that many goals in either the League (usually 18 odd, if he stayed reasonably injury-free), or in all comps.  He's won the Premiership golden boot a couple of times in a mediocre Liverpool side, so what would he do in the best Liverpool side for a generation?

Surely its worth consideration?  I'm sure if Owen were to rejoin us, it would be the last transfer of his career, and both parties would benefit, we've missed a Michael Owen this season, Cisse on his backside at Old Trafford springs to mind, Nando against Arsenal, and although we've got Robbie back now, we can't stop with 1 quality striker, we need more and Owen is one such player.

I hope he rejoins, and if he does, Rafa won't have paid over the odds for him, Rafa's wouldn't do that.

[Lando_Griffin]

Nah.

[48-1119859832]

RedTom,

It's the fact that he has twice 'knifed Liverpool in the back'. People often say you shouldn't have sentiment in football but I disagree with that statement. I want players that want to play for Liverpool and Owen clearly doesn't want to play for us enough. He left to go and win things without being prepared to work for it and give Benitez a chance with his plans and regime. Then we offer Owen second chance to play for us and help revive his career and get him out of his Real Madrid nightmare. However we weren't prepared to offer over the odds for a striker that a year earlier we sold for half the price of what Real Madrid wanted.

Owen could of held out and come to us if he wanted to enough, of course Owen's International career means more to him than club level and thinking of the world cup,which is in the short term and not using his brain and thinking about what best for him long term, he signed for Newcastle where he knew he would be played all the time.

I may sound harsh on Owen, but we've offered him a new contract to stay with us and work hard to build a new Liverpool, a successful Liverpool and an exciting Liverpool, but he wanted an easy option and took Madrid. And then we offer him another chance and he didn't call Madrid's bluff.

Saying that he is a good striker and he is a natural finisher, but I've noticed with every team Owen's been in, he's been the main figure and everyone's has to play to his strenghts and the whole team game involves passing the ball to Owen and letting him score. You mention we lack a real goalscorer, someone who can get 20 - 30 goals a season, but would Owen offer us anything more? You can sit and knock Crouch and Morientes all you like, but they can read the game well, link up play and they can make things happen?

I mean Owen in all honesty doesn't do much in a match, I never see him trackback, link up play, pass the ball around, all he does in my eyes, is sit and wait for the throughball and that's that.

[Ace Ventura]

I may sound harsh on Owen, but we've offered him a new contract to stay with us and work hard to build a new Liverpool, a successful Liverpool and an exciting Liverpool, but he wanted an easy option and took Madrid. And then we offer him another chance and he didn't call Madrid's bluff.

Saying that he is a good striker and he is a natural finisher, but I've noticed with every team Owen's been in, he's been the main figure and everyone's has to play to his strenghts and the whole team game involves passing the ball to Owen and letting him score. You mention we lack a real goalscorer, someone who can get 20 - 30 goals a season, but would Owen offer us anything more? You can sit and knock Crouch and Morientes all you like, but they can read the game well, link up play and they can make things happen?

I mean Owen in all honesty doesn't do much in a match, I never see him trackback, link up play, pass the ball around, all he does in my eyes, is sit and wait for the throughball and that's that.

Some good points initially mate but if you think he left Liverpool for the EASY OPTION of Real Madrid as you put it then i think you are miles off the mark.
We are die hard LFC supporters and would never leave the club if we were in the enviable position of being able to play for our club. Michael Owen is not a LFC supporter he is a proffesional sportsman that is always going to think about whats best for no1, and he would be stupid not to.
He left us for Real imo because he was fed up of playing in a side that were not creating many chances and were struggling to even qualify for the biggest club tournament regulaly.
Now he made a masive mistake we all know that, we didn't miss him really...i know he would of strengthened the side but at the end of the day we won the Champions league.
He missed out on the one trophy that he badly wanted.
Now to the 2nd betrayal, this one is difficult to defend or comprehend, he blatantly cared more about his world cup place, no shame in that, as i said he is not an LFC supporter, a world cup comes around every 4 years and it will possibly be his last chance to play in one.
    It is disappointing that he didnt have the balls to call Madrids bluff, but again dont hate the man, pity him...he will be watching champions league football tonight while Robbie Fowler will be playing in a major tie (what would the odds on that of been) ?
Also mate the comment made about Michal always being the main figure of an attack is also not really right, he was at LFC...as he would be in most sides but he wasn't at Madrid he was a bit part player and was fantastic.
I am not sure whether we could get him back, but if there was ANY oppurtunity i would take it with out doubt, i do want players that love the club and are desperate to play at Anfield more than anything else, but i am realistic to realise every proffesional player does not have a fans passion or loyalty.

[GunGod]

Somehow people can't seem to get over the fact that Owen left for Madrid.

I see his actual leaving as nothing evil, just like a student who leaves for a better colledge overseas. At that time, didn't we all know (assume) that Owen would return to Liverpool after his overseas stint someday?

As I said, his leaving I can understand, looking from his prespective as a player. But how he managed to sign for Newcastle instead is a mystery. He really did us in there but not insisting on moving to Pool. But perhaps he was threatened by the Madrid boardroom to move for 17m or warm the bench in World Cup year? That we never know.

Nevertheless, Owen the player is not someone I would like in the team. No doubt he scores goals by loads. But he doesn't know how to create chances for himself (except exceptional positioning: read waiting by the goalmouth). People talk about the goals he scored. But has anyone realise that with him in any team the team becomes dreadfully one-dimensional. And with the entire midfield carrying him on their shoulders and feeding him chance after chance, its really hard not to score the amount he does (though not everyone can do the same I must say).

He scores goals, yes. But look at it his way. The overall team goals does not increase with him in the team (educated assumption), because his style demands that most chances are fed to him and thus depriving others of goal scoring chances. I can see us still winning 1-0, 2-0, drawing 1-1 etc even if he comes back. So what's the difference?

The difference is that while the goal tally remains the same, probably out midfield will have to strain themselves even further and our possession rate of the ball will drop because Owen simply can't hold the ball ala Crouch.

[RedWolf35]

Rafa will NOT go back in for Owen.

Rafa is a man of principal and Owen is a souless little git.

If he comes back here I will be very displeased as he's a smarmy little rat and he's not fit to wear the red shirt any longer

Yes he scored goals and won us the FA cup   blah blah blah

My ex-wife was great and made me lots of hot dinners but left me for my best mate (when she asked to come back I never said "ok love your sunday roast was fab" I told her to do one)

Everyone seems to have short memories I can appreciate someone wanting to better themselves and look to broaden their horizons and win the European Cup with Real Madrid :-)

But the fact that he strung us along and cost us at least 10 million makes it totally unnaceptable that we allow him back here!!!

What next    Ted Bundy in goal

[48-1119859832]

Ace,

I don't see why I would be wide off the mark with my statement about Owen going to Madrid for the easy option of winning trophies because that's what it was. I suppose he thought that there would be a lot of preperation going on with Liverpool because of the departure of Houllier and introduction of Benitez and I suppose Owen thought that it would take a few years for us to challenge everything and wanted to win things quickly, so he joint Madrid. Perhaps if I was a player then perhaps I might of done.

I notice you say that Owen wasn't a Liverpool fan and maybe not, that's fair enough but neither was Carragher or Fowler and yet they show a thing which is rare these days loyalty. I mean Carragher could of easily gone to a team that was achieving and doing better than Liverpool and yet he stayed through thick and thin at Liverpool and it seems to have paid off.

You are right the World Cup does only come around once every four years and it could well be Owen's last chance to play in one although I doubt that very much. However the World Cup Finals last what? A month, maybe a bit more at the max, he's only 26, by rights he has another few good years left in him, so shouldn't he be thinking about those years as well as one International Tournement?

I just feel that if we sign Owen we will have to adjust our system slighty just to get the best out of Owen and is that really worth it? Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd didn't touch Owen with a barge pole, shouldn't that tell you something about Owen? It tells me that those managers don't believe that Owen can add anything to their teams and that they would have to change their formation and tactics slightly just to fit Owen in.

And as I've said before, Owen seems to have this lazy attitude where he will just stand around and not muck in and then expect a team mate to put a through ball into him, so he can get on the end of it and perhaps score.

You say that you are being realistic and yes you are being realistic but I just don't want Owen back for the reasons above about him on us twice and then would he offer us anything more than goals? After all I was always told there's more to a forwards role than just scoring.

[Ace Ventura]

Ace,

I don't see why I would be wide off the mark with my statement about Owen going to Madrid for the easy option of winning trophies because that's what it was. I suppose he thought that there would be a lot of preperation going on with Liverpool because of the departure of Houllier and introduction of Benitez and I suppose Owen thought that it would take a few years for us to challenge everything and wanted to win things quickly, so he joint Madrid. Perhaps if I was a player then perhaps I might of done.

I notice you say that Owen wasn't a Liverpool fan and maybe not, that's fair enough but neither was Carragher or Fowler and yet they show a thing which is rare these days loyalty. I mean Carragher could of easily gone to a team that was achieving and doing better than Liverpool and yet he stayed through thick and thin at Liverpool and it seems to have paid off.

You are right the World Cup does only come around once every four years and it could well be Owen's last chance to play in one although I doubt that very much. However the World Cup Finals last what? A month, maybe a bit more at the max, he's only 26, by rights he has another few good years left in him, so shouldn't he be thinking about those years as well as one International Tournement?

I just feel that if we sign Owen we will have to adjust our system slighty just to get the best out of Owen and is that really worth it? Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd didn't touch Owen with a barge pole, shouldn't that tell you something about Owen? It tells me that those managers don't believe that Owen can add anything to their teams and that they would have to change their formation and tactics slightly just to fit Owen in.

And as I've said before, Owen seems to have this lazy attitude where he will just stand around and not muck in and then expect a team mate to put a through ball into him, so he can get on the end of it and perhaps score.

You say that you are being realistic and yes you are being realistic but I just don't want Owen back for the reasons above about him on us twice and then would he offer us anything more than goals? After all I was always told there's more to a forwards role than just scoring.

Real Madrid where not csat iron certainties to win trophies, they won nothing th eyear before Michael signed and they won nothing last season.
He seemed disallusioned at Liverpool and tbh unless he was phsycic you cant blame him for giving it a go abroad.
He missed out on our greatest recent triumph.
Carragher is one of the most loyal player we have had the priveledge to watch but he wasn't chased by another club, never mind someone with the prestige of Real Madrid.
The world cup may only last a few weeks to a month but they are the pinnacle of a footballers career...if he stayed at Real on the bench and Rooney and Doefoe scored 20+ goals this season he might of lost that chance.
Now it may be short sighted from the lad, and its shows his priorities are not LFC first but at the end of the day behind Jamie Carragher who's are.
Gerrard ? Possibly, but i wouldn't be certain of that.
All my point is, is that Owen sold us short, and then f'cked us when he had the chance to re-sign, but there are not many who would of stayed initially, and then he lacked the balls to hold out for a move.
Disappointing YES !
Unforgiveable IMO NO !

[Mikz]

I was one a them harking on to bring back Owen, and was bitterly disappointed when he signed for Newcastle.
But now Im glad we didnt sign him. I firmly believe all those on here who say he did us over ,not once but twice. He doesnt want us that much, if he did -he would be here already ,and probably injured sitting on the bench ,rubbing his hands waiting for the world cup.
I know we need a goalscorer desperately, but not him. Times change -we have moved on and theres plenty more fish in the sea.

[lakes10]

i believe Owen will return for 10 million in the Summer. 

Newcastle is a mess that won't be getting better anytime soon.  They will do well to finish in the top 10 and Owen will want Champions league football after the world cup.

i think you are right to say he will come back here but and its a big but will Rafa pay out for him, he might turn to Spain for a striker i hear Ronaldo is looking for a move, i say 22m should cover him lol

[Mikz]

22 new pence on tonights show. It was a real struggle for him getting up every time he fell. Its plain to see -he doesnt wanna be there anymore.

[Lando_Griffin]

The silly little b*stard (Simao) won't be joining us now, that IS for sure. The stupid fecker was pleading with the ref to book Alonso, ergo getting him suspended.

Don't want the little c*nt anyway - he's a diving pile of sh*te.