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[burjennio]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

[ruskiy playmaker]

Lucas is neat , he's tidy , erm ....... I'm hard pressed to say anything else apart from he's also very lightweight , gets brushed off the ball and decked by any opposing player that puts in a serious challenge and the majority of his own tackles seem to result in a free kick for the opposition. Offers little in terms of goal threat or creativity.

Well, five months on from starting this thread I've just watched a replay of the Marseille game and I have to say my opinion of Lucas has changed.

I was far too easy on the guy, as an LFC player he's f'ucking useless !

Completely out of his depth in a LFC shirt, he does and adds f'uck all to our midfield.

And we spent weeks moaning about Alonso ! do me a favour.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Why do you only pick out his bad games.  Do you not remember how well he played against Everton, Inter and Chelsea both times last season, or were those games games just flukes?  Have you stopped to think that maybe the guy's just of form and he needs to be given some time.  Mascherano was against Marseille too, but his poor performance is ignored, because he's one of the favorites.

[Toffeehater]

Masch was poor against OM , but he has been one of the most consistent players for the team so one poor performance can be excused as every top player has at least a couple of poor game every season so your discussion between lucas and masch is invalid , however i have said before , lucas has showen glimmers , faint flickers of his talent and i think he would improve if he was sent out on loan for one season as he needs regular football to improve , one match every 5 games or so is not going to do anything much for him .

[Ace Ventura]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

[Jimmy the Weasel]

Why do you only pick out his bad games.  Do you not remember how well he played against Everton, Inter and Chelsea both times last season, or were those games games just flukes?  Have you stopped to think that maybe the guy's just of form and he needs to be given some time.  Mascherano was against Marseille too, but his poor performance is ignored, because he's one of the favorites.

The thing about comparing judgements on Mascherano to Lucas is that Mascherano has earned himself the right to an off game by being absolutely outstanding in any number of other matches where he has dominated the midfield and rightfully earned that right, consistently putting in MOTM performances time and again.

The same as Torres has earned the right to a rough patch by being the best striker in the league last season. We don't like it and we comment on it, but he gets an easier time because he's proven he's more than up to it.

Lucas has still got everything to prove to most supporters I'd suggest. When he's got that 'credit' in the bank, then we can excuse indifferent performances a bit more easily.

Until then, as I said, everything to prove.

[Leonmc0708]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

[account deleted by request]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

Interesting that 3 of those players you name Leon Liverpool have tried to sign :-

Silvestre, O'Shea and Malouda.

[aCe']

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

malouda and silvestre average players ?

you need to start watching more football games mate..

silvestre was one of the best left backs in the league not so long ago ... malouda started for the world cup finalists and did great in that tournament.. did great in the french league before moving aswell.. ddnt get much playing time last season but to call him 'average' ? i dont know..

pick any player from the list uv put down there .. bar O'shea and fletcher maybe... they would go straight into our starting 11 in my books..

[Jimmy the Weasel]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

But do they have the right sort of attributes you'd want for players in their positions? I'd say so.

I question whether Kuyt does though.

[JamCar05]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

But do they have the right sort of attributes you'd want for players in their positions? I'd say so.

I question whether Kuyt does though.

Which is a very good point here in the thread about Lucas

[Jimmy the Weasel]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

But do they have the right sort of attributes you'd want for players in their positions? I'd say so.

I question whether Kuyt does though.

Which is a very good point here in the thread about Lucas

In reply to a post that was a reply to a post that talked about Kuyt as well.

But my bad I guess!

[JamCar05]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

But do they have the right sort of attributes you'd want for players in their positions? I'd say so.

I question whether Kuyt does though.

Which is a very good point here in the thread about Lucas

In reply to a post that was a reply to a post that talked about Kuyt as well.

But my bad I guess!

No harm, it's just funny how every thread seems to one way or another end up being about Kuyt these days (well, actually it's not as much funny as it is tedious, but you get my drift).

[Jimmy the Weasel]

No harm, it's just funny how every thread seems to someway end up being about Kuyt these days (well, actually it's not as much funny as it is tedious, but you get my drift).

Ok, back on topic then, well as it happens I'd probably say a similar thing about Lucas to be honest.

His passing range isn't great I don't think - nothing wrong with keeping possession of the ball, it's something we've struggled to do at times early this season, but he only ever seems to opt for the short, sideways pass. It's sometimes like watching Redknapp / Barnes central midfield pairing in the late 90s - "Redknapp, short ball played square to Barnes... back to Redknapp.... now Barnes again..."

He also lacks the combative dynamism to really command a central midield berth in the Premiership. If you consider Gerrard and Mascherano, and the energy and drive they inject into the team, in terms of their overall play, their tackling and tenacity Lucas just doesn't demonstrate this.

[Ace Ventura]

does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

I give you:

Fletcher
Kalou
Malouda
Silvestre
PArk
O'Shea

ALL average PRemier LEague players, all League title winners.

We are not Real MAdrid.

But they are players that hardly play the odd games they do get a chance is when usually there teams are flying confidence wise and in good runs of form.

We play our weaker players far far too often.

[burjennio]

Ace Ventura Posted on Sep. 26 2008,08:30
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Quote (burjennio @ Sep. 26 2008,08:04)
does anyone ever think that maybe the guy needs a run of games? Would I be right in sayin that some of you lot think every is 5hite except for Torres, Gerrard and Carragher?

Think some might think we also have one of the best keepers about, and might have a bit of a soft spot towards Mascherano.

Becuase players who are clearly proving every game they are not upto it, doesnt mean that everyone thinks all players other than the obvious top ones are sh!te.

Certain players (or there continued selection in the team) are holding this team back.
Imagine Lucas getting into United or Chelseas starting line up.......no you cant, it wouldnt happen.
Same with Kuyt, he wouldnt be near it.
Its hampering the team.

sorry but "clearly not proving it every game" is a statement of your opinion not fact. Lucus is Anderson of Manutds captian at under 21 and won player of the year awards before coming to us and the biggest difference between the 2 is that Anderson has got a run in the side at Utd and Lucus has not at Liverpool. But of course, that makes Anderson a wonderplayer and Lucus total dross. But them im a "happyclapper" and clearly cannot admit that I support a team of rejects who should be on loan at Scunthorpe

And all those that so eagerly defend all the fringe players posted by Leon I can do nothing but laugh, you would defend those muppets yet stick the knive into our own at every opportunity.

PS. Utd fans could not wait to see the back of Silvestre, and give Darren Fletcher the kind of respect some of you have for Dirk Kuyt. Malouda was very poor in his 1st season at Chelsea and his reputation was built soley at Lyon as he was anonymous in the world cup, if it wasnt for Henry, Zidane and Ribery they would have tanked long before the final.

I still think Park Ji Sung is a good and underrated player though, buts thats my OPINION