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[Stu the Red]

Do you believe Lucas to be better than Hamann was?

[Fowler_E7]

When Lucas Leiva became a first team regular, we become a mid table side, now of course thats not entirely his fault, however the difference in quality between him Alonso is absolutely vast, it was immediately clear that we had replaced a world class player with a very average one and in a crucial area of the pitch and we havnt recovered since.

[Stu the Red]

When Lucas Leiva became a first team regular, we become a mid table side, now of course thats not entirely his fault, however the difference in quality between him Alonso is absolutely vast, it was immediately clear that we had replaced a world class player with a very average one and in a crucial area of the pitch and we havnt recovered since.

[damjan193]

I think it's a good thing that we're starting to see that a player like Lucas just isn't good enough for us (and I'm a fan of his). I wouldn't go as far as Stu, saying that he's an average tackler and Sh*t at everything else, but I do believe that Lucas isn't good enough to be one of our key players. He was OK when we were mid table, but now we need something better if we want to go back to what we were (and step by step, we're getting there). I still think that Lucas has a role to play for us, just not as big as it was a season or two ago. If we qualify for the CL, I expect Lucas not to feature for us as often but still play a part.

[Stu the Red]

I think it's a good thing that we're starting to see that a player like Lucas just isn't good enough for us (and I'm a fan of his). I wouldn't go as far as Stu, saying that he's an average tackler and Sh*t at everything else, but I do believe that Lucas isn't good enough to be one of our key players. He was OK when we were mid table, but now we need something better if we want to go back to what we were (and step by step, we're getting there). I still think that Lucas has a role to play for us, just not as big as it was a season or two ago. If we qualify for the CL, I expect Lucas not to feature for us as often but still play a part.

I didn't say he's an average tackler and Sh*t at everything else though did I?

I simply made the point that he's excellent at nothing and average at a lot...

He's a premier league footballer without a doubt and he's not a bad one. But people need to realise he's nowhere near as good as most of the decent midfielders in the league.

There are better midfielders playing for Sunderland and Newcastle and other teams that have nowhere near the ambitions we have.

[metalhead]

Lucasss, what a boss playa, boss

[devaney]

When Lucas Leiva became a first team regular, we become a mid table side, now of course thats not entirely his fault, however the difference in quality between him Alonso is absolutely vast, it was immediately clear that we had replaced a world class player with a very average one and in a crucial area of the pitch and we havnt recovered since.

Stu - Did Lucas really replace Alonso and was that ever the intention? I think Lucas is more of a Mascherano or Hamann type of a player. I've never thought of any of those players as being overly creative. I just don't think we have got anywhere near to replacing Xabi and I certainly wouldn't blame Lucas for that. Lets face it he is not that easy to replace. Who know perhaps he will come back in January.......

[Stu the Red]

When Lucas Leiva became a first team regular, we become a mid table side, now of course thats not entirely his fault, however the difference in quality between him Alonso is absolutely vast, it was immediately clear that we had replaced a world class player with a very average one and in a crucial area of the pitch and we havnt recovered since.

Stu - Did Lucas really replace Alonso and was that ever the intention? I think Lucas is more of a Mascherano or Hamann type of a player. I've never thought of any of those players as being overly creative. I just don't think we have got anywhere near to replacing Xabi and I certainly wouldn't blame Lucas for that. Lets face it he is not that easy to replace. Who know perhaps he will come back in January.......

Oh come off it...

The lad played regularly the season after Alonso left. I'm sorry but the excuses for him are wearing thin. He's a central midfielder for gods sake... None of this "DM" or "AM" football manager rubbish that people want to talk about. He's a centre mid, who's not upto it. End of story. A centre mid, is a centre mid, is a centre mid... you get the picture. I'm sick of the "DM" excuses coming out for a player who's completely inadequate.

Mascherano was hugely overated and wasn't creative. Hamann had more in his locker (far more) than both.

Lucas was completely bossed by yet another midfielder today who shown him to be the average player he still is and always will be. As I said earlier in the thread, Huddlestone's a far better player. Today proved it.

Lucas contributed absolutely NOTHING!

AGAIN!

[supersub]

its a shame you clearly don't watch the game....SG scored a goal , misplaced nearly every pass he attempted and contributed nothing else but 3 or 4 corners that missed every one in the box....he is our captain fantastic who hasn't bossed a midfield for 4-5 years...it's certainly not Lucas's position to boss a midfield like Alonso but SG has always proclaimed the centre mid position as his preferred role....if you can't see the difference between midfielders and their specific areas of expertise then you clearly just watch football on a foozeball table

[Stu the Red]

its a shame you clearly don't watch the game....SG scored a goal , misplaced nearly every pass he attempted and contributed nothing else but 3 or 4 corners that missed every one in the box....he is our captain fantastic who hasn't bossed a midfield for 4-5 years...it's certainly not Lucas's position to boss a midfield like Alonso but SG has always proclaimed the centre mid position as his preferred role....if you can't see the difference between midfielders and their specific areas of expertise then you clearly just watch football on a foozeball table

Er... Lucas thread?

I know you can't resist having a pop at Gerrard in every post you make these days... but do us a favour... try and balance it out. Your lover boy Lucas, yesterday, produced one of the worst performances I've ever seen by a Liverpool midfielder. You dismiss Gerrard's contributes as "only scoring a goal"...

Well i'm quite sure, if anyone was given a choice between a player who "only scores a goal" or a player who contributes absolutely zero they'd take the one who can score every time. Lucas didn't do anything. He didn't tackle, he didnt' run, he didn't head, he didn't pass. He was woeful yesterday, even by his own low standards.

[Red Focus]

One thing I don't like about Lucas is, he has a stupid tendency to give away silly free kicks in dangerous positions and gets himself booked too often.

[Stu the Red]

One thing I don't like about Lucas is, he has a stupid tendency to give away silly free kicks in dangerous positions and gets himself booked too often.

Anyone can give away a free kick, especially when you're attempt as many tackles as Lucas does in a game (usually). I have no problem with that as it least it shows he's putting in the effort. The occasional brain dead challenge is just one of those things that I think you're going to get from average players like Lucas. On Sunday though, his effort wasn't there. Which left nothing else unfortunately.

[Stu the Red]

One thing I don't like about Lucas is, he has a stupid tendency to give away silly free kicks in dangerous positions and gets himself booked too often.

Anyone can give away a free kick, especially when you're attempt as many tackles as Lucas does in a game (usually). I have no problem with that as it least it shows he's putting in the effort. The occasional brain dead challenge is just one of those things that I think you're going to get from average players like Lucas. On Sunday though, his effort wasn't there. Which left nothing else unfortunately.

[supersub]

its a shame you clearly don't watch the game....SG scored a goal , misplaced nearly every pass he attempted and contributed nothing else but 3 or 4 corners that missed every one in the box....he is our captain fantastic who hasn't bossed a midfield for 4-5 years...it's certainly not Lucas's position to boss a midfield like Alonso but SG has always proclaimed the centre mid position as his preferred role....if you can't see the difference between midfielders and their specific areas of expertise then you clearly just watch football on a foozeball table

Er... Lucas thread?

I know you can't resist having a pop at Gerrard in every post you make these days... but do us a favour... try and balance it out. Your lover boy Lucas, yesterday, produced one of the worst performances I've ever seen by a Liverpool midfielder. You dismiss Gerrard's contributes as "only scoring a goal"...

Well i'm quite sure, if anyone was given a choice between a player who "only scores a goal" or a player who contributes absolutely zero they'd take the one who can score every time. Lucas didn't do anything. He didn't tackle, he didnt' run, he didn't head, he didn't pass. He was woeful yesterday, even by his own low standards.

and the post is clearly with reference to lucas....get a clue lad

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I honestly don't think Rodgers can afford to be dropping Lucas for the Spurs game ,against such a strong midfield he will just be inviting
them to overrun us through the centre .

I personally don't think Allen is ready yet to cope with such high intensity football ,and a football we will have to be defensively rigid in
the middle to withstand..... Saying that ,I would be amazed if Lucas wasn't a shoe in for both City and Chelsea away.