Benitez' attitude - Man-management

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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:34 am

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s@int wrote:Maybe we need to hire a sports psychologist ?

haha, read in the paper yesterday that Sven is claiming that he should have had one for the England squad. But the very next sentence he claims his time in charge can be considered successful, :censored:.

Rafa Benitez = calm, measured, intelligent and in full control of his faculties.

Sven Ericsson = cool, morose, ineffective and severely deluded.

the fella couldnt be any less insipid. id imagine his man-management skills to be as close to non existent as humanly possible. and instead of the england squad he was head of, needing psychology to unravel their frustrations while being forced to suffer the interminable impotence of his qualities while its figurehead. more likely the probability is the vast majority of them infact required the reassurances of a Psychiatrist, post-Germany; that they were still capable of playing any decent cohesive football at all. given the month long 'bore-fest' we were treated to.  Ericsson however has some value - he certainly would cure any insomniac!
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Postby redhayesy » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:32 pm

s@int wrote:Why should any manager do something he doesnt believe in or believes will not work. A manager has to do what is right for the team, not to curry favour and popularity with the fans or a particular player. Rafa will stand or fall by his decisions, not by listening to people in the media with their agendas or fans like us that have our own particular theories. 

If Rafa moves Gerrard back in the middle it will be because he believes its the right decision for the team and not because of pressure from Gerrard or others. Thats what he gets paid for!

Zonal marking doesnt work said the fans amd the media.... It seemed to work last season!

Playing Gerrard on the right is a waste of Gerrards talent.... Didnt hear many complaints last season when Gerrard was player of the year and scored 23 goals.

Rotatation is the problem .... Another media and fans favourite bites the dust!

If Rafa took notice of the media and the fans we wouldnt be as disapointed with this season as we all are, mainly because our expectations would be much lower because we wouldnt have won anything in the last couple of years!

I think we should all give him the time he has earned with his success over the last few years and support him an his decisions and judge him at the end of the season.

Moan about the players because they are the ones who's heads are dropping. I dont imagine Rafa says to the players when they go on the field " If we go a goal down, just give up and we will try again next week!"

I think Rafa has made mistakes, I also believe he will sort things out, get us back on track and make us even stronger. Its only 6 months since we were lifting the F.A. CUP after a great league season . Give the man some credit FFS and lets see where we are come May next year. You never know he may just surprise you.

spot on saint !! i totally agree with you [short memories spring to mind with some fans] raffa will still get it right imo too your post made alot of sense mate!
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Postby Pedro O'Maradona » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:51 pm

Im actually surprised that Liverpool would not have a sport psychologist already??
What about hypnosis....maybe we could have Craig Bellamy hypnotised to score goals lol
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Postby 66-1120597113 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:02 pm

Our main problem is confidence away from home!

Another problem is that at home we play like and be Liverpool FC...when we go away Raffa tends to get TOO tactical and sets the team out to play against the opposition in question.
He shows the home team maybe just a little too much respect...we dont play the way we can and are much more negative than at Anfield.
The players need to believe in themselves more and realise that they can be as good on the road as at home...its phsycological!

The managers main problem is that he is the one who must install belief and passion back into the team!
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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:26 pm

this from The Times online echoes some of the points ive made above.


The maddening mystery of Benítez’s true personality is becoming an Anfield liability

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THE more we see and hear from Rafael Benítez, the less we understand him. It is not only his team selections — the head-spinning rotation — but the man himself. He is into his third season at Liverpool and not even his players comprehend this Madrileño and his cold manner.

While Arsène Wenger, Sir Alex Ferguson and José Mourinho reveal a little of themselves every time they appear in public, a press conference is the last place to try to seek the real Benítez. After Sunday’s thrashing by Arsenal, he continued his one-man campaign to revive one of football’s greatest clichés: “We are taking it one game at a time.”

What we do know is that he was a sensible choice, ahead of Alan Curbishley, when Liverpool went searching for a manager in the summer of 2004. The former Charlton Athletic man has his qualities, but it is hard to envisage him inspiring his team to come from 3-0 down to overcome AC Milan in the Champions League final.

Benítez had built an excellent CV at Valencia and taking the European Cup and FA Cup to Anfield is a decent yield, considering, as the Spaniard is not shy of pointing out in private, that his transfer budget is more Tottenham Hotspur than Chelsea.

We strongly suspect that one of Europe’s more astute managers is in our midst, which makes it all the more baffling when we see some of his team selections. Stranger still when we learn that he has the respect of his players but little else. Certainly nothing that could be mistaken for warmth.

Benítez carries too much authority, and has too many medals, for rebellion to break out in the Liverpool dressing-room, but the grumbles have been growing louder. Friends of the Spaniard say that it has never been his way to indulge his players. Those methods have brought him success, but there has been evidence that he needs to reconsider the cold-freezer approach to man-management.

He may be interested to know that, despite Ferguson’s reputation as the master blaster, the Manchester United manager claims to spend all week praising his players in training to build up their confidence for match day. It is only when they do not perform then that he wields the hairdryer.

Benítez is unstinting in his praise, but there is a thin line between driving your players to prove themselves and making them resentful. Particularly when some are perplexed by a rotation policy and his habit of preparing one team and making eleventh-hour changes.

Among those who are suffering is Craig Bellamy, who looked an excellent purchase when he was snapped up from Blackburn Rovers in the summer. Benítez has seemingly done the impossible and not only taken the nastiness, but also the effectiveness out of the Welsh fire-starter.

Then there is the long- running debate over Steven Gerrard that so infuriates Benítez. So much so that he kept his captain out on the right flank at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday, if only to prove the point that he does not listen to popular demands.

Gerrard sulked and you can ask whether the blame is with the player for getting stroppy or with his manager for not foreseeing the problem. Either way, it has not done anything to help a team who lie 14 points off the top of the table, below Wigan Athletic, and would happily settle for a fourth-place finish after expectations that they would challenge for the title.

Perhaps, coming from a background as a failed footballer, Benítez worries that he would surrender authority if he was to go soft on his players, or perhaps he is simply aloof as a person. The Spaniard is not about to open up to tell us, so the Anfield mystery deepens. Given that he has never spent more than three years in any job, we will probably be none the wiser on the day he departs.
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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:53 pm

comments from J.A.R post the Arsenal game that i feel are relevant to this thread.
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Riise Blasts Liverpool 'Cowards'

John Arne Riise has blasted the defeatist attitude of his colleagues Jamie Carragher and Pepe Reina and insisted only "cowards" give up.

"Of course it will be hard to catch up with Manchester United, but at one point last season we were 27 points behind Chelsea, and in May we were only nine points behind," insisted the Norwegian.

"We never give up. Cowards give up."

Riise's angry comments come after Reina and Carragher insisted that the best Liverpool could hope for this season was to finish in the top four and hope to do well in a cup.

"Fourth place is our target now - we have to fight for that," Reina admitted on Monday.

"The championship is probably too far away for us because mathematically Manchester United and Chelsea are very superior," he continued, while Carragher added, "The bottom line now is that we must finish in the top four."

While Riise insists that his team-mates are wrong and Liverpool can still challenge for the title, he admits he is stumped by their poor away form.

"I cannot understand why we play so bad away from Anfield, I really can't," said the left-back.

"Against Arsenal on Sunday, Rafa was calm in the dressing room after the match. He knew we knew that this was not good enough."

Riise also denied rumours that he had fallen out with club captain Steven Gerrard. The two clashed after Arsenal's third goal, when William Gallas was left unmarked in the six-yard box.

"There was some frustration in the heat of the moment, but some discussion is good. It shows we care," insisted Riise, while dismissing any question that he was to blame for the incident.

"It was neither mine or Steven's fault that Gallas was unmarked. We saw the episode on TV afterwards, and it was not our responsibility."

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im not entirely comfortable with his final comment there. if at all the underlying tone of the piece overall. for me Reina and JC have every right in saying what they have. nonetheless it hints at some uncertainty within the ranks.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:09 am

this from The Times online echoes some of the points ive made above.



Nah mate, you made some good points, this article is a load of sh!tstirring b0llocks. I have worried in the past (and still do to some extent) about Rafa's relationship with his players but once we start winning again all this cr@p will fade away.

To me this is a thinly veiled attack on Rafa not a balanced view of him.
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Postby Effes » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:10 am

I dont like the disharmony that this shows.

Dont like the fact that players are dismissing each other in the media.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:17 am

Its not my day for agreeing with you red37, I think Riise is right. I have always admired Riise for the attitude he is showing in your article. HE NEVER GIVES UP. I will always defend a player that tries, works hard and doesnt give up. I would rather a player who thinks we can win even when things look black, than a player who thinks thats it when the going gets rough.
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Postby Hebz » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:17 am

but the media lie so much, how do we know its truth?

there was a definate fall out between Gerrard and Riise, thats for sure. But it could have been a little disagreement. with newspapers and sports shows I just never know what to believe anymore.

I just hope its nothing too serious
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:22 am

Effes wrote:I dont like the disharmony that this shows.

Dont like the fact that players are dismissing each other in the media.

id normally disregard the cr@p that churns out by the day in the media/press. though going by the faces, attitudes and plain unmotivated manner that some of the players are certainly demonstrating..any kind of clue as to its cause is worth pondering. judging by the stance Riise is apparantly taking in the quotes above. harmony in the dressing room seems far from uniform. and as much a valid moot point in identifying as most of the rest of current areas of debate are open to. lets just hope it was in the heat of battle and not borne from anything else of significance.
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Postby Hebz » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:29 am

id say it was just in the heat of the moment, Riise and Gerrard are so serious about the game. They want the best for their club and their fans, yet again they'll probabaly be lacking confidence after the fall out - and they need confidence atm
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:30 am

I think most of its just soundbites mate. Just like on here, immediately after the game they are going to be squabbling and saying thats the season over with etc (Rafa out lol) now they have had a day or two to calm down, they can see the worlds not ended and there is still plenty to play for and even that Rafa may not be that bad a manager after all.

We just need a few good performances as well as wins to get us firing again. Rafa will give them all a kiss and a cuddle and they will play out of their skins against Middlesbrough.
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:33 am

s@int wrote:Its not my day for agreeing with you red37, I think Riise is right. I have always admired Riise for the attitude he is showing in your article. HE NEVER GIVES UP. I will always defend a player that tries, works hard and doesnt give up. I would rather a player who thinks we can win even when things look black, than a player who thinks thats it when the going gets rough.

admirable from Riise, maybe. though id hardly call Carragher a quitter. Reina perhaps is a different kettle of fish. but its unfair to cast any of them into the pit while in denial of the whole truth or the facts. for as you correctly point out...a player who tries his hardest is always going to be a favourite. but that doesnt necessarily make them winners because of that alone. im not disagreeing with the sentiment Riise is trying to get across. only the time and place of him doing so.
the very least we all expect is for the players to be singing from the same hymn sheet. whether its Plan A or B. and where that should take place is not in the public arena.
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:38 am

s@int wrote:I think most of its just soundbites mate. Just like on here, immediately after the game they are going to be squabbling and saying thats the season over with etc (Rafa out lol) now they have had a day or two to calm down, they can see the worlds not ended and there is still plenty to play for and even that Rafa may not be that bad a manager after all.

We just need a few good performances as well as wins to get us firing again. Rafa will give them all a kiss and a cuddle and they will play out of their skins against Middlesbrough.

of course...and in a way we have all had cause to have been 'Riise' many times this season. some have adopted Carraghers idea of realism... but whichever way you call it. all of us simply want it to work out for them.
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