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[A.B.]

And how much would he cost? .

A lot less than Joaquin. 

[Scottbot]

Warnock is developing into a fine player. He'll never be hailed as the worlds best but has the talent and temperament to become a solid solid player for years to come. Don't forget the lad is still learning the position after spending his youth out on the wing. I would love to him see him get more involved in attacking play, putting in crosses with that sweet left foot.

As for Joaquin - what a signing he would be. Not sure i can picture the club spending that sort of money on one player though. It's clear we need two outstanding wingers to make Rafa's team click in the EPL. Untill then we will have to make do.

[bigmick]

I'm in something of a minority on here in that I'm unconvinved by Warnock overall. He shows potential, impetuosity and poor positional sense in equal measure for me. He may make a player without doubt but has a way to go IMHO. Playing full-back is all about when to tuck in and when to hold. Get that call wrong too often and you make the job very difficult for yourself. At the mo', Warnock doesn't call it right often enough for me.

[Scottbot]

I'm in something of a minority on here in that I'm unconvinved by Warnock overall. He shows potential, impetuosity and poor positional sense in equal measure for me. He may make a player without doubt but has a way to go IMHO. Playing full-back is all about when to tuck in and when to hold. Get that call wrong too often and you make the job very difficult for yourself. At the mo', Warnock doesn't call it right often enough for me.

Warnock gets caught out of position from time to time (although the lads who go the game regularly could probably tell us more about his positioning) and goes to ground a little more than he sometimes needs to but i think the lad has all the attributes to be a main-stay in the postion for years to come. For me, he's a rough diamond who will polish up with coaching and time on the pitch.

He's got pace (not blinding, but enough), he's a clean tackler, very tenacious, comfortable on the ball and uses the ball intelligently.

[davo_LFC]

i think warnock has all the attributes to be a solid defender, he is a great tackler just like a young carra and he has a good left foot which can put in some good crosses... his distribution is alot better than traores so i would definately have him as first choice left back

[115-1073096938]

I'm in something of a minority on here in that I'm unconvinved by Warnock overall. He shows potential, impetuosity and poor positional sense in equal measure for me. He may make a player without doubt but has a way to go IMHO. Playing full-back is all about when to tuck in and when to hold. Get that call wrong too often and you make the job very difficult for yourself. At the mo', Warnock doesn't call it right often enough for me.

Warnock gets caught out of position from time to time (although the lads who go the game regularly could probably tell us more about his positioning) and goes to ground a little more than he sometimes needs to but i think the lad has all the attributes to be a main-stay in the postion for years to come. For me, he's a rough diamond who will polish up with coaching and time on the pitch.

He's got pace (not blinding, but enough), he's a clean tackler, very tenacious, comfortable on the ball and uses the ball intelligently.

His use of the ball is extremely intelligent to be fair. I think him and Finnan pass the ball and use it superbly from fullback. They always seem to choose the right pass.

As for being caught out of position, i don't think he's that bad at all. He gets caught infield once or twice, but that again is something that will come with games and experience, he has the ability to learn, unlike Traore.

[JC_81]

I think Warnock will be a top player for us, he has made steady improvement over the last few years.  He may be 23, but with the 3 leg breaks he's had and the amount of football he's missed because of that I'm sure there's still a lot more learning left in him.  His development is very fast and I'm sure he will be our undisputed 1st choice left back by the end of this season.

Brave in the tackle, quick, decent crosser and good passer, good recovery.  Positionally not the best yet but he was a left mid until a year ago so he's still learning the position.  After coming back from 3 leg breaks the guy obviously has a top mentality and if his commitment is as good on the training field as it is on the pitch then he'll continue to improve.

I trust him at left back more than I do Riise or Traore at the moment.

[115-1073096938]

If only you could see how good a footballer Micheal Owen is i'd probably agree with most of the things you say.

The fact you don't, makes you a complete arse. 

[stmichael]

stu, are you still banging on about houllier?

[115-1073096938]

Did you come up with that yourself or did you steel it off someone else?

[Red Red Tom]

Warnock is a super little player in my opinion.  He'll always give his all and never shrinks from a tackle.  He's a local lad and knows what this club is about.  Give him time.  I agree with what Stu said when he compared him to Carra.  I think if we stick with Warnock, the guy is a future captain.

On the issue of Joaquin, I'd love to see him in a red shirt.  I know we need a central defender too, but if we blow the bank on Joaquin, maybe Kewell could pay for the defender.  I was supprised we didn't see him this summer, but I guess his injury didn't help.  I think his number might be up.  January will see players leaving I think, and we can use the money we get from that to fund the central defender... and the money we have on Joaquin.  Maybe its all just speculation, but the guy is a genuis with the ball.  I think Stu might just be right about this as well.  I think he could be the missing link.

[Ace Ventura]

I think 99 % of LFC fans would love Joaquin, whether we could afford him is the question and realistically the answer is no.
Unless there where no other big clubs interested (which is highly unlikely)
We may have money and its obvious rafa would want Joaquin...who wouldnt ?
But based on what he has done previously with transfers, we will see 3-4 new signings that aren't massive fees.
Probably Simao, Gonzalez if we can get a work permit a centre half....and if he can offload Cisse, then a striker which i think will be Kuyt.
And tbh i would be really happy with that anyway....as a few others have posted although one big signing would be great, but we are kidding ourselves if we think our squad is good enough.

[115-1073096938]

Ace, its not good enough yet. With Joaquin it still wouldn't quite. But the first 11 in my opinion would or would at least be very very close.

But if we blow this seasons budget on a player as good as that. Then the first 11 is taking a massive step to closing the gap which would ultimately win more matches.

I don't buy all this squad . First and foremost you get your first 11 in order, then you build your squad.

Its like planning a garden without actually having a house.

If we don't at least try and sign Joaquin then i'll be annoyed. There isnt' another winger that good out there so if we get Simao (who i don't rate that highly) at all we'll be settling for second best which isn't good enough, especially Joaquin has publicaly stated he's interested.

[LFC #1]

we'll be settling for second best which isn't good enough, especially Joaquin has publicaly stated he's interested.

A Fair point Stu.

Simao is going to cost circa 10-12 million anyway, and is a tad older than Joaquin. For me it's worth putting an extra 8-10 million in to try and get Joaquin.

[Ace Ventura]

we'll be settling for second best which isn't good enough, especially Joaquin has publicaly stated he's interested.

A Fair point Stu.

Simao is going to cost circa 10-12 million anyway, and is a tad older than Joaquin. For me it's worth putting an extra 8-10 million in to try and get Joaquin.

I'm not disagreeing with either yourself or stu.
What i'm saying is based on the way Rafa has worked in the past, i dont think he will pay 20million+ for a player, and i am not sure even if we have that much anyway.
Its all very well saying just put an extra 8 million on what we would pay for Simao, but for one thing we dont know how much we would actually have paid, and also have we got an extra 8 million on top of that.
My guess is probably if he really wanted it, but i dont think he would gamble that big on one player.
Just my opinion, but either way i would be happy.